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Black Friday containers. It should go without saying: DON'T BUY IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH THE LEAST VALUABLE THING THEY CAN DROP.

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Yes, the ship-drop chance is higher than anything you might get from a non-premium container you might win in game, BUT THERE IS STILL NO GUARANTEE.

And you MIGHT get something you don't want (or if the carrier play gives you vertigo/nausea, can't even use).

BUY WITH CAUTION, BUY ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, AND BE AWARE OF - AND PREPARED FOR - THE LEAST LUCRATIVE OUTCOME.

 

If you do choose to buy... best of luck.

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I am trying to decide whether to get the JB , I am up in the air about it . I already have Musashi , Yoshino , Azuma , Alaska , Kronny , Black , Friesland as tier 9s I would like to have her and know she has left but I probably would not use her enough , uuugggg choices , lol

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11 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Yes, the ship-drop chance is higher than anything you might get from a non-premium container you might win in game, BUT THERE IS STILL NO GUARANTEE.

And you MIGHT get something you don't want (or if the carrier play gives you vertigo/nausea, can't even use).

BUY WITH CAUTION, BUY ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, AND BE AWARE OF - AND PREPARED FOR - THE LEAST LUCRATIVE OUTCOME.

Does the fact of the existence of this post provide a silent but salient commentary on the IQ of an amount of the player base?

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16 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Yes, the ship-drop chance is higher than anything you might get from a non-premium container you might win in game, BUT THERE IS STILL NO GUARANTEE.

And you MIGHT get something you don't want (or if the carrier play gives you vertigo/nausea, can't even use).

BUY WITH CAUTION, BUY ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, AND BE AWARE OF - AND PREPARED FOR - THE LEAST LUCRATIVE OUTCOME.

 

If you do choose to buy... best of luck.

I will not post my haul so far...  Let me just say though. 

WOW!!

Don't want people to expect what I got as common and get disappointed.

Last Christmas I got messages that I was shilling for WG and never really got what I said I did.

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14 minutes ago, theLaalaa said:

Does the fact of the existence of this post provide a silent but salient commentary on the IQ of an amount of the player base?

If that doesn't I think the ubiquity of loot boxes says an awful lot about both the gaming industry and the gaming public in general.

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15 minutes ago, theLaalaa said:

Does the fact of the existence of this post provide a silent but salient commentary on the IQ of an amount of the player base?

Not so much the IQ, but the attention (or lack thereof) to detail before purchasing and an unpleasant tendency to come here and whine AFTER the disappointment rather than asking and clarifying FIRST.

It's common sense that's lacking here, not raw intelligence. How much the two overlap to produce an individual who doesn't make a long series of stupid errors in all aspects of their life is a whole different debate.

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Adding a small note that the bonus mission yielding dubs and coal is only for those who have the original variants of the black ships. If for instance you get the Cossack Black it comes with the bonus mission. But the mission is for the normal Cossack only (and not the black version you just hauled in).

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7 minutes ago, Toxygene said:

Adding a small note that the bonus mission yielding dubs and coal is only for those who have the original variants of the black ships. If for instance you get the Cossack Black it comes with the bonus mission. But the mission is for the normal Cossack only (and not the black version you just hauled in).

Oh for sure, and that's why I made a separate post on that.

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15 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Not so much the IQ, but the attention (or lack thereof) to detail before purchasing and an unpleasant tendency to come here and whine AFTER the disappointment rather than asking and clarifying FIRST.

It's common sense that's lacking here, not raw intelligence. How much the two overlap to produce an individual who doesn't make a long series of stupid errors in all aspects of their life is a whole different debate.

Well, given how common and old news the RNG lootboxes are by now, both inside and outside of WoWs, you would think that plenty of folks would have some common sense about them by now... except a lot of people still don't, lol. :Smile_smile:

Then again, that's how the casino industry keeps themselves going, after all these years, so I'm not surprised... lel. :Smile_trollface:

I don't mind people gambling their money away, since it's their money... but if they're gonna do that, they should be fully aware of what they're getting into, BEFORE they decide to "pull the lever," so to speak. If any of them comes to the forum and start ranting about their bad luck, while calling the devs something like "a bunch of con artists," then I have no sympathy for them. :Smile_smile:

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4 minutes ago, Blorgh2017 said:

but if they're gonna do that, they should be fully aware of what they're getting into, BEFORE they decide to "pull the lever," so to speak.

The sad thing is that publishing the odds (as some here would like them to do) is only going to make things worse, and I think we both understand probability enough to know why.

Certainly anyone who's old enough to be spending their own money on this game (and I include 14 year olds working in McDonald's in that) ought to understand why, but education's not what it used to be.

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1 hour ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Yes, the ship-drop chance is higher than anything you might get from a non-premium container you might win in game, BUT THERE IS STILL NO GUARANTEE.

And you MIGHT get something you don't want (or if the carrier play gives you vertigo/nausea, can't even use).

BUY WITH CAUTION, BUY ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, AND BE AWARE OF - AND PREPARED FOR - THE LEAST LUCRATIVE OUTCOME.

 

If you do choose to buy... best of luck.

Can't afford to gamble myself - I tend to save up if I really want a ship (then I know I'll get it lol).

The positive posts regarding these containers and what people have won, seem to indicate the success rate is higher than many other 'special premium containers' - but your post is a very apt around now (as was Admiral Thunder's about the Doubloon Missions associated with the B ships).

 

Congrats to all those that took the gamble and got a positive return for their money! :Smile_honoring:

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1 minute ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

4 BFs...  6000 FXP in each one for $250 gold

Do you mean 250 doubloons? That dollar sign is obfuscating the meaning somewhat.

3 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

complete rip off.

You've been here long enough to know that a ship drop isn't guaranteed. Time and again it has been thrashed out on the forums that one should be prepared for the least lucrative outcome. You knew what the containers CAN drop but you chose to focus on the best thing they MIGHT drop and you are disillusioned as a result.

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3 hours ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

BUY WITH CAUTION, BUY ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, AND BE AWARE OF - AND PREPARED FOR - THE LEAST LUCRATIVE OUTCOME.

hi.

WGs sales pitches, which often include lists of "...what will be in the crates..." is way off what is legal at gaming houses. On the strip in Vegas, the casinos are required to post average or overall rates at the machines, and provide access to table payouts for the last year, month and weeks.

Off strip, the gaming industry does not have the same regulations, and the %'s are nowhere close to the 90% + slot bandit payouts. As WG does not share the numbers, caution is advised, to say the least! Mostly because we don't know what the least lucrative outcome could be. We might be reading about it in the forums here the next couple days.

As International gaming laws are even now being worked thru on in game gambling, and other issues of the same ilk, i would think and hope that WG would want to make crate payout something we would be feeling really good about, like the Xmas crates a couple years ago... 

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11 minutes ago, Spud_butt said:

WGs sales pitches, which often include lists of "...what will be in the crates..." is way off what is legal at gaming houses.

That's because WOWS isn't a casino and has zero chance of returning absolutely no winnings. You will always get SOMETHING in the crates; just not always what you desire or what you might consider worth the money expended. We are also not playing for cash money, and the law should not be expected to be applied as if we were.

I can tell you right now, if WG published the odds it would be worse. Tell some people that they have a 1:50 chance of getting a Missouri, for example, and they WILL expect the ship to drop guaranteed from a fifty-crate purchase and will NOT understand or accept the explanation for why this isn't necessarily so.

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I have never bought any containers, cause the odds suck frankly. But I had a few extra Dubs, did the 250dub chain and bought a few BF Prem containers.

I got 4 ships and ended up with more dubs than I started with. LOL.

Should have bought some lotto tickets today.

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Good Afternoon!

Aye, knowing that you might not get what you want is a good thing.

I usually do some of the Christmas crates and do reasonably well.   There are the flags, which is basically me stocking up. 

I never do any of the others through the year because I really never wanted any of them and usually the basic contents are not that good.

Black Friday:

2018 - Bought the 24 container pack because I didn't have any of the ships.  Got all four.

2019 - Bought 10 just for grins, as the only ship I didn't already have was the Graf Zep, and I don't play carriers.  Got the Scharnhorst B.

2020 - Didn't buy any as the only ship I didn't have was the Jean Bart and I am not a great BB player.

Be safe out there!

 

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I got no ships but I did get one 2500 doubloon package so I ended up spending 250 for the whole chain of 11 items.

I think the most enjoyable part was buying them and opening them, the anticipation and hoping that you'd get lucky.

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5 hours ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

The sad thing is that publishing the odds (as some here would like them to do) is only going to make things worse, and I think we both understand probability enough to know why.

Certainly anyone who's old enough to be spending their own money on this game (and I include 14 year olds working in McDonald's in that) ought to understand why, but education's not what it used to be.

Perhaps. I see you point.

Then again, some games do disclose that info and does still just fine. At least, AFAIK, the mobile game Azur Lane does disclose the probability of getting the current hottest limited-time event-only ship girls from the event Gacha (a.k.a. the random drawings), and I haven't heard of anyone causing any ruckus about it. Then again, AL is a mobile game, and such random drawings go hand in hand with those kinds of games.

I think it's more to with the issue of perspective and expectations. WG's games didn't use to have such RNG boxes in the past, but they started showing up at one point, and more and more as time went on, so some people still might feel irked by them.

That's just me though. My 2 RNG crates, lol. :Smile_hiding:

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6 hours ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Yes, the ship-drop chance is higher than anything you might get from a non-premium container you might win in game, BUT THERE IS STILL NO GUARANTEE.

And you MIGHT get something you don't want (or if the carrier play gives you vertigo/nausea, can't even use).

BUY WITH CAUTION, BUY ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, AND BE AWARE OF - AND PREPARED FOR - THE LEAST LUCRATIVE OUTCOME.

 

If you do choose to buy... best of luck.

These kind of warnings were the reason as to why i bought the Ultimate Treat Bundle (30 days of premium + 9000 Doubloons) and used the 9000 doubloons + 50 more i already had and simply bought Massachusetts B directly from the armory. No way in hell im gonna gamble with either the 2019 containers or the 2020 ones for a chance at earning something i usually never earn unless blessed by RNGesus.

 

Thank you @Ensign_Cthulhu

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6 hours ago, CommodoreKang said:

If that doesn't I think the ubiquity of loot boxes says an awful lot about both the gaming industry and the gaming public in general.

You can go even further, who doesn't want something for nothing? (or at least less than it's perceived value anyway)

It's gambling, just like a slot machine.

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3 hours ago, Spud_butt said:

hi.WGs sales pitches, which often include lists of "...what will be in the crates..." is way off what is legal at gaming houses.  

But it's identical to what you see in, for example, urban hospital lotteries. The only difference is, with the hospital lottery, odds are you'll get nothing, instead of a guaranteed prize.

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8 hours ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Yes, the ship-drop chance is higher than anything you might get from a non-premium container you might win in game, BUT THERE IS STILL NO GUARANTEE.

And you MIGHT get something you don't want (or if the carrier play gives you vertigo/nausea, can't even use).

BUY WITH CAUTION, BUY ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT, AND BE AWARE OF - AND PREPARED FOR - THE LEAST LUCRATIVE OUTCOME.

 

If you do choose to buy... best of luck.

  How are they for economic flags and such this year?   (still downloading game onto new computer, so I haven't been to port)  I really don't care about a B version of Kaga or Atlanta, and already have both Cossack and JB.   Some dubs from the missions would be nice- but I just KNOW  I'd get Kaga, and the mission would go to waste.  (I think I may have the normal one in my fleet of "don't even remember where I got these from" premium CV's, that I never play)

  I'm saving any crate $$ for the Santa gifts- for my yearly resource and single use item stock-up.  ( and whatever ships I get that I couldn't be arsed to buy during the year, of course)  

  But if these are fairly generous with loot,  I could be tempted to roll the bones  on the chance I'd pull JB or Cossack.   And, hey- those would be just that many more T8's and 9 to get snowflake rewards off of.

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