Ise has moves

[FrodoFraggin]

Was reading the Wiki article on Ise and was amused by this:

”Ise was attacked by 80-odd aircraft from the fourth wave, but they failed to inflict any serious damage.  She dodged 11 torpedoes and was only hit by a bomb once, on the bulge outboard of the port catapult.  Some 34 other bombs near missed her...”

Just dodge, indeed. 

[desmo_2]

Ise must have been facing only one CV.

Because if she was facing two CV's, she would have been toast.

[Sventex]

9 minutes ago, desmo_2 said:

Ise must have been facing only one CV.

Because if she was facing two CV's, she would have been toast.

Ise was facing 10 USN CVs,( five large fleet carriers (Intrepid, Franklin, Lexington, Enterprise, and Essex), five light carriers (Independence, Belleau Wood, Langley, Cabot, and San Jacinto)), but Ise was part of a decoy force with Hyūga and 4 CVs, so the aviation attacks would have been distributed all around the decoy force.

[desmo_2]

1 minute ago, Sventex said:

Ise was facing 10 USN CVs, 5 being major Fleet Carriers, but Ise was part of a decoy force with Hyūga and 6 CVs, so the aviation attacks would have been distributed all around the decoy force.

LOL...I was making a game reference, not an IRL reference.

[Bandi73]

20 minutes ago, Sventex said:

Ise was facing 10 USN CVs,( five large fleet carriers (Intrepid, Franklin, Lexington, Enterprise, and Essex), five light carriers (Independence, Belleau Wood, Langley, Cabot, and San Jacinto)), but Ise was part of a decoy force with Hyūga and 4 CVs, so the aviation attacks would have been distributed all around the decoy force.

Lol. U mean WeeGee should just "follow suit"??? :) Oh wait....IRL there was Cv vs Cv action...... 

I know... not really sportsman like.... 

[black_hull4]

1 hour ago, desmo_2 said:

Ise must have been facing only one CV.

Because if she was facing two CV's, she would have been toast.

Ise was facing 10. So if Ise could do it, everyone else should learn and stop complaining.

[Sventex]

10 minutes ago, black_hull4 said:

Ise was facing 10. So if Ise could do it, everyone else should learn and stop complaining.

If only World of Warships could be as well balanced as WWII was in real life.

[Lord_Slayer]

8 hours ago, Sventex said:

If only World of Warships could be as well balanced as WWII was in real life.

[KaptainKaybe]

Well, of course. Ise is part carrier, hence she has carrier super powers. Obviously.

[Duma]

12 hours ago, Sventex said:

If only World of Warships could be as well balanced as WWII was in real life.

Oh my I can hear the "wall of skill" torpedo captains and the "burn them down" HE captains gnashing their teeth now.

[Wye_So_Serious]

12 hours ago, black_hull4 said:

Ise was facing 10. So if Ise could do it, everyone else should learn and stop complaining.

Everyone should also understand the hit rate for all ordinance is absurdly high compared to actual rates and refrain from making equivalencies in anything related to the video arcade game we play.

[FrodoFraggin]

40 minutes ago, Wye_So_Serious said:

Everyone should also understand the hit rate for all ordinance is absurdly high compared to actual rates and refrain from making equivalencies in anything related to the video arcade game we play.

That is true, but this is also late war when US naval aviation was doing pretty well.   Even then, a few years earlier, Yorktown and Enterprise planes at Midway did pretty well against faster, more nimble ships, and the smackdown  Shoho got at Coral Sea...

[Sventex]

5 hours ago, Lord_Slayer said:

1. The VAST majority of Kamikaze aircraft accomplished nothing but throwing their lives away.  Their greatest successes happened the first day they were used, after that never got close to achieving anything like that again as they did against the USS Franklin.  I would happily take their marginal effectiveness over the broken game balance we have now, because at least Kamikaze planes had a tendency to actually get shot down.

2. And if you want land based medium bombers in the game, well I can't stop you from wanting that.

[Crokodone]

13 hours ago, black_hull4 said:

Ise was facing 10. So if Ise could do it, everyone else should learn and stop complaining.

In that case WG needs to drastically buff ship acceleration and maneuverability.

[black_hull4]

5 minutes ago, Sventex said:

2. And if you want land based medium bombers in the game, well I can't stop you from wanting that.

Such as the in-game Heinkel-111 & Messerschmitt-110?

[Sventex]

1 minute ago, black_hull4 said:

Such as the in-game Heinkel-111 & Messerschmitt-110?

Oh do the German CVs use the 111s?  That explains a lot.

[Lord_Slayer]

38 minutes ago, Sventex said:

1. The VAST majority of Kamikaze aircraft accomplished nothing but throwing their lives away.  Their greatest successes happened the first day they were used, after that never got close to achieving anything like that again as they did against the USS Franklin.  I would happily take their marginal effectiveness over the broken game balance we have now, because at least Kamikaze planes had a tendency to actually get shot down.

2. And if you want land based medium bombers in the game, well I can't stop you from wanting that.

1. I don't think I mentioned anything about Kamikaze aircraft.

2. It is a fact that land based aircraft did do quite a bit of damage to both warship and cargo ship alike, at sea and at port/anchor.

 

21 minutes ago, black_hull4 said:

Such as the in-game Heinkel-111 & Messerschmitt-110?

 

19 minutes ago, Sventex said:

Oh do the German CVs use the 111s?  That explains a lot.

There were two scenarios that used land-based aircraft: Dunkirk and Cherry Blossom.

pretty sure only Do17 and Ju87 appeared in the Dunkirk one.

[Singularity_invader]

14 hours ago, Sventex said:

If only World of Warships could be as well balanced as WWII was in real life.

That would be nice, wouldn't it? No plane regen for CVs, no torp reload for DDs, no insane AA for CAs, etc..

[Singularity_invader]

57 minutes ago, Sventex said:

And if you want land based medium bombers in the game, well I can't stop you from wanting that.

Might as well just play WG's competitor since it's a better simulator. (better simulator =/= better game, just for the record)

[Sventex]

22 minutes ago, Lord_Slayer said:

1. I don't think I mentioned anything about Kamikaze aircraft.

Then I don't know what your gif is.  Is it a commentary on how ships have randomly exploded in port?

[Lord_Slayer]

1 hour ago, Sventex said:

Then I don't know what your gif is.  Is it a commentary on how ships have randomly exploded in port?

that was the Arizona at Pearl Harbor

[Sventex]

1 minute ago, Lord_Slayer said:

that was the Arizona at Pearl Harbor

Yeah I suppose ships can be attacked in peacetime.  Not sure how that'll translate into the game.  Perhaps your requesting that CVs now can attack you while your in the port menu while your afk?

[Lord_Slayer]

1 minute ago, Sventex said:

Yeah I suppose ships can be attacked in peacetime.  Not sure how that'll translate into the game.  Perhaps your requesting that CVs now can attack you while your in the port menu while your afk?

your original post was if WoWs could be as balanced as WW2 was in real life and showed AAA actually doing what it was designed to do.

The fact is that the ships in WoWs cover a large spread of ships from 1900s to the 1950s. Not all ships were created equal, nor was all AAA as effective as others were.

The Arizona and the other ships at Pearl had the basic AAA of the day for the peacetime USN, and for the most part it was pretty ineffective.

The Royal Navy had been at war for over 3 years when Repulse and PoW were sunk. They had more modern AAA and yet only were able to down 4 of the attacking aircraft.

Toward the end of the war, the USN had far superior AAA then what they had started with. Even then, a ship alone wouldn't be able to do much, but a group of ships together could survive an airborne attack.

[iRA6E]

16 hours ago, Sventex said:

If only World of Warships could be as well balanced as WWII was in real life.

Yea WWII AA was pretty  impressive IRL....   Because everyone knows CVs did not make pretty much every other surface ship obsolete.   

[Sventex]

1 minute ago, iRA6E said:

Yea WWII AA was pretty  impressive IRL....   Because everyone knows CVs did not make pretty much every other surface ship obsolete.   

I don't know, a lot of laymen do get that impression from WWII.  They never ask why the US never stopped building submarines, destroyers, cruisers and Battleships but they do end up thinking that CVs were the only viable combat ship.

I think maybe people get in it their head that the reason we lost the Battle of Pearl Harbor was not that it was an illegal sneak attack in peacetime, but merely it was merely the fact that it was Battleships being sunk, therefore were not viable, despite also believing the Bismarck was a colossal threat.