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New Ships sighted in Scenario Operation Aegis

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Just had a successful game in Operation Aegis.  But there were a few surprises.

1.  An Amagi battleship, appearing after the convoy is set free of red-ship control.
2.  Altered spawn-points and quantities of red battleships appearing after the convoy is set free, including some Kongo class
3.  replay enclosed

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Anyone else have this happen?

Interesting changes, that do up the challenge of the Operation.  And, in some ways this is welcome.  But were there any news releases or bulletins announcing the changes?
Are these changes only random or do they activate if the player team achieves certain criteria or meets certain time or performance thresholds?

I'm very curious.  :-)

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If it's several extra BBs spawning (not had chance to watch the replay) rather than the 3 plus assorted CA/DDs then its been in a long time. Haven't seen it in a while and I'm not sure what triggers it.

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The Convoy get's too far south, if I recall correctly, the E line, and someone is up in the area in the North in the A/B line and I THINK between 5-7 lines.

 

@Lightninger Has information on precisely what causes them to spawn though.

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Amagi has been in Aegis for ages now and it only appears when extra BBs are spawned in due to certain conditions such as having the convoy go too far down south or having one of your teammates go too far up north early while the convoy escorts are still around.

 

The extra BBs are Kongo, Fuso, and Amagi which does not add any xp whatsoever if you damage them or kill them, they are simply ships that exist solely to punish you for making a mistake.

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37 minutes ago, Vader_Sama said:

Amagi has been in Aegis for ages now and it only appears when extra BBs are spawned in due to certain conditions such as having the convoy go too far down south or having one of your teammates go too far up north early while the convoy escorts are still around.

 

The extra BBs are Kongo, Fuso, and Amagi which does not add any xp whatsoever if you damage them or kill them, they are simply ships that exist solely to punish you for making a mistake.

@Wolfswetpaws, Vader is one of the Ops experts and has it spot on. One of @Lightninger's YT vids on this operation has the approximate location of the spawn-box zone that triggers their appearance.

Starting place to look for it:  

 

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1 hour ago, Vader_Sama said:

Amagi has been in Aegis for ages now and it only appears when extra BBs are spawned in due to certain conditions such as having the convoy go too far down south or having one of your teammates go too far up north early while the convoy escorts are still around.

 

The extra BBs are Kongo, Fuso, and Amagi which does not add any xp whatsoever if you damage them or kill them, they are simply ships that exist solely to punish you for making a mistake.

@Vader_Sama, thank you.

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I watched the replay.  The Fubuki crossed the B line and then the 5 line prior to all the escorts getting sunk.  That always results in the 'extra' BBs spawning.  I've also found that telling a player in chat and/or pinging the map to not do that is futile.  :Smile_ohmy:

The best rule of thumb is to stay west of the islands when you go north early.  That way there is no chance of spawning the 'extra' BBs.

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On 11/21/2020 at 2:00 PM, Vader_Sama said:

Amagi has been in Aegis for ages now and it only appears when extra BBs are spawned in due to certain conditions such as having the convoy go too far down south or having one of your teammates go too far up north early while the convoy escorts are still around.

 

The extra BBs are Kongo, Fuso, and Amagi which does not add any xp whatsoever if you damage them or kill them, they are simply ships that exist solely to punish you for making a mistake.

Correct, I remember dealing with this ages ago and Lightninger talking about it.

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Coincidences do happen.  After my post yesterday I was in Aegis and one of our DDs, a Fubuki just like in the battle being discussed here, headed north early in the match.  With 3 escorts left to sink, I did ping the map and asked him in chat not to cross the 5 line.  He hit F4 and held up so as not to spawn the 'extra' BBs.  I gave him Karma for listening!

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On 11/21/2020 at 10:26 PM, Slimeball91 said:

I didn't watch the replay, but are these the extra BBs that spawn when a ship goes too far north before the transports are freed?

Yep.

 

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Played a cv on Monday, I was the only ship left killing off the convoy escort ships, that will trigger the Amagi and others, my team was so bad that convoy was down close to bottom map. I find parking behind the west islands up north attacking the 2 bbs. Once the second wave is finished.

BTW it was a loss time exipired

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On 11/24/2020 at 10:48 AM, Hard_Stylzz said:

Played a cv on Monday, I was the only ship left killing off the convoy escort ships, that will trigger the Amagi and others, my team was so bad that convoy was down close to bottom map. I find parking behind the west islands up north attacking the 2 bbs. Once the second wave is finished.

BTW it was a loss time exipired

When I do CVs for that Op, I tend to be in the eastern cluster of islands to work down Fuso and harass the Cruisers afterwards.  Some of the DD players didn't like my Torpedo Bombers making the northwestern BBs evade, making their own torps miss.

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4 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

When I do CVs for that Op, I tend to be in the eastern cluster of islands to work down Fuso and harass the Cruisers afterwards.  Some of the DD players didn't like my Torpedo Bombers making the northwestern BBs evade, making their own torps miss.

As a DD player almost exclusively in this op, you're a total scumbag for doing that.  I say that (mostly) jokingly.  I do hate when the CV player does that though.  I can sink both NW BBs as long as the CV doesn't "help".  Seriously, the CV comes along and does a few K in damage and makes my trops miss that would have taken the BB out in one shot. :Smile_facepalm: Adding insult to injury, the third BB gets away because the CV wanted to farm the easy damage from the closer BBs, and we lose a star.  Any extra XP the CV player might have gained from that easy damage is now gone with the lose of a star. 

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5 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

When I do CVs for that Op, I tend to be in the eastern cluster of islands to work down Fuso and harass the Cruisers afterwards.  Some of the DD players didn't like my Torpedo Bombers making the northwestern BBs evade, making their own torps miss.

 

13 minutes ago, Slimeball91 said:

As a DD player almost exclusively in this op, you're a total scumbag for doing that.  I say that (mostly) jokingly.  I do hate when the CV player does that though.  I can sink both NW BBs as long as the CV doesn't "help".  Seriously, the CV comes along and does a few K in damage and makes my trops miss that would have taken the BB out in one shot. :Smile_facepalm: Adding insult to injury, the third BB gets away because the CV wanted to farm the easy damage from the closer BBs, and we lose a star.  Any extra XP the CV player might have gained from that easy damage is now gone with the lose of a star. 

In the interest of protecting the cargo ships, I target the BB that spawns near map grid "A-8".  When that is sunk, I'll target the nearby red ships to sink them or at least mess with their attempts to attack friendly ships.

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The above picture illustrates the path my CV's take when I play Aegis.  The "O" is the CV spawn point.  The "planes" are the path that the first sortie of planes take.
The Orange X is an alternate destination for the CV, closer to the action (with the benefits and risks evaluated during the game).
The "Red BB" is where the red battleship spawns after the cargo fleet is free from red ship escorts.  That is what my CV's target.  I leave the other BB's, that spawn near A-4, to my team-mates.

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17 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

The above picture illustrates the path my CV's take when I play Aegis.  The "O" is the CV spawn point.  The "planes" are the path that the first sortie of planes take.
The Orange X is an alternate destination for the CV, closer to the action (with the benefits and risks evaluated during the game).
The "Red BB" is where the red battleship spawns after the cargo fleet is free from red ship escorts.  That is what my CV's target.  I leave the other BB's, that spawn near A-4, to my team-mates.

That's what I like to see the Cv do.  You get at least one squadron worth of attacks on that northeast BB before any other ships spawn to provide AA support.  If the CV player positions where you do it's an easy attack.  You can always go and help with the other BBs if needed. 

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Those BBs used to spawn every time I tried that Op. It's one of the reasons I vowed to never play this Op ever again.

Now you're telling me it's because other players were always screwing up? 

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2 hours ago, KilljoyCutter said:

Those BBs used to spawn every time I tried that Op. It's one of the reasons I vowed to never play this Op ever again.

Now you're telling me it's because other players were always screwing up? 

Yep.  :cap_yes:

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On 11/25/2020 at 4:04 PM, Slimeball91 said:

As a DD player almost exclusively in this op, you're a total scumbag for doing that.  I say that (mostly) jokingly.  I do hate when the CV player does that though.  I can sink both NW BBs as long as the CV doesn't "help".  Seriously, the CV comes along and does a few K in damage and makes my trops miss that would have taken the BB out in one shot. :Smile_facepalm: Adding insult to injury, the third BB gets away because the CV wanted to farm the easy damage from the closer BBs, and we lose a star.  Any extra XP the CV player might have gained from that easy damage is now gone with the lose of a star. 

Usually in this Op the DD players tend to be focused on the northwestern BBs.  If I did a CV this Op, I only sent bombers their way if it looks like they're having problems and time is an issue for getting all 5 stars.  This was likelier to happen if the team lost a bunch of ships and firepower was at a premium to take down those BBs.

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On 11/25/2020 at 4:31 PM, Wolfswetpaws said:

 

In the interest of protecting the cargo ships, I target the BB that spawns near map grid "A-8".  When that is sunk, I'll target the nearby red ships to sink them or at least mess with their attempts to attack friendly ships.

1641363924_AegisCVwaypointroutingandinitialaircraftsortierouting_09-10-2020_.jpg.91fece73ef2fa4d583307fc1016cce66.jpg
The above picture illustrates the path my CV's take when I play Aegis.  The "O" is the CV spawn point.  The "planes" are the path that the first sortie of planes take.
The Orange X is an alternate destination for the CV, closer to the action (with the benefits and risks evaluated during the game).
The "Red BB" is where the red battleship spawns after the cargo fleet is free from red ship escorts.  That is what my CV's target.  I leave the other BB's, that spawn near A-4, to my team-mates.

1641363924_AegisCVwaypointroutingandinitialaircraftsortierouting_09-10-2020_.jpg.91fece73ef2fa4d583307fc1016cce66.jpg.72a4c20a81e8aa5f03a8600096cd1f5a.jpg

 

For my case my CV takes the dotted red line route and parks at where the red circle and dot is at.

 

It is an incredibly aggressive position, but offers the quickest response time against the spawns that comes in from the Northeastern part of the map.

I too ignore the two BBs from the Northwest since taking care of the AI ships from the Northeast takes priority as it is the one thing that can either make the op a loss or not.

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1 hour ago, Vader_Sama said:

1641363924_AegisCVwaypointroutingandinitialaircraftsortierouting_09-10-2020_.jpg.91fece73ef2fa4d583307fc1016cce66.jpg.72a4c20a81e8aa5f03a8600096cd1f5a.jpg

 

For my case my CV takes the dotted red line route and parks at where the red circle and dot is at.

 

It is an incredibly aggressive position, but offers the quickest response time against the spawns that comes in from the Northeastern part of the map.

I too ignore the two BBs from the Northwest since taking care of the AI ships from the Northeast takes priority as it is the one thing that can either make the op a loss or not.

Seems as though you intend to use your secondary batteries to help free the cargo ships?  :Smile_glasses:
Your route does shorten the flight distances and times, so the squadrons can perform strikes more often, at the risk of getting spotted and shot at a bit sooner, I'm figuring.

Thanks for sharing your solution to the situation.  :cap_like:

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Just now, Wolfswetpaws said:

Seems as though you intend to use your secondary batteries to help free the cargo ships?  :Smile_glasses:
Your route does shorten the flight distances and times, so the squadrons can perform strikes more often, at the risk of getting spotted and shot at a bit sooner, I'm figuring.

Thanks for sharing your solution to the situation.  :cap_like:

The escort bots don't really target you as long as they have another ship they can farm off of.

The small island is the only place that becomes really risky if the autopilot decides to go derp.

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1 hour ago, Vader_Sama said:

1641363924_AegisCVwaypointroutingandinitialaircraftsortierouting_09-10-2020_.jpg.91fece73ef2fa4d583307fc1016cce66.jpg.72a4c20a81e8aa5f03a8600096cd1f5a.jpg

 

For my case my CV takes the dotted red line route and parks at where the red circle and dot is at.

 

It is an incredibly aggressive position, but offers the quickest response time against the spawns that comes in from the Northeastern part of the map.

I too ignore the two BBs from the Northwest since taking care of the AI ships from the Northeast takes priority as it is the one thing that can either make the op a loss or not.

do you have a favorite CV to use for aegis?

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