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French Ships I’d like to see added into WOWS in the future, and why…

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Duquesne (1943)

Why should it be added?

The Duquesne class was an enlarged version of the successfully designed Duguay-Trouin light cruiser. With the development of a superior 203mm gun, this class was designed to maintain the speed of 34 knots set by the Duguay-Trouin class, but carried 8x 203mm guns mounted in 4x twin turret mounts. Similar to the Duguay-Trouin class, it also carried 2x sets of triple turret torpedoe mounts, with one mount located on each side of the ship.

Summed up, this is a enlarged version of the Duguay-Trouin light cruiser with 203mm guns that could offer an alternative style of play at Tier 5.   

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Dupleix (1937)

Why should it be added?

Derived from the Duquesne class cruisers, these were meant to be fast support cruisers that traveled at 32 knots, and armed with 8x 203mm guns set in 4x twin turret mounts. They also came with a set of 2x triple turret torpedo launchers, one mount on each side of the ship.  

Summed up, the Dupleix is a faster, smaller, and slightly less armored version of the Algerie class ship that could be an alternative style of play at Tier 6.

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Lorraine (1943)

Why should it be added?

The Lorraine is a Bretagne class dreadnought that was heavily modernized in 1943 compared to its two sister ships. The modernized Lorraine included removing the aircraft facilities and installing a large number of anti-aircraft guns, including eight 75 mm guns, fourteen 40 mm guns, and twenty-five 20 mm guns. Modern radar equipment similarly found on US and British Ships was also installed on the ship.

Summed up, the Lorraine underwent the same transformation that the USS Texas did, but a little further in some areas. Coupled with its unique radar equipment, and being modernized with numerous amounts of heavy AA guns, this ship could be especially interesting as a Tier 6 alternative since both the Dunkerque and the Normandie are not specifically known for their radar or AA capabilities.  

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Commandant Teste (1929)

Why should it be added?

One of the biggest seaplane tenders ever built. It was also the largest seaplane tender in Europe during WW2. She had carrying capacity of 26 aircraft and was equipped with 4 catapults. Her aircraft mainly consisted of the large Loire 130 flying boat Torpedo Bombers. Fighters were never provided to the ship, although the Loire 210 floatplane was designed specifically for the role.  

Summed up, the Commandant Teste could start as the Tier 4 carrier for the French Carrier Tech tree.

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Béarn (1920)

Why should it be added?

The Bearn was the first converted aircraft carrier for the French navy which was completed using the hull of a Normandie Class Battleship. After successful tests of the Commandant Teste, the French Navy was interested in a more “standard” carrier design to further develop naval aviation. She carried a complement of 32 aircraft. While never truly tested in battle, she did take part in the hunt for the famous Admiral Graf Spee armored cruiser.

Summed up, she could go at Tier 6 for the French Carrier Tech Tree.

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Joffre (1940)

Why should it be added?

Joffre was the first carrier designed from the keep up for the French Navy. Unlike the Bearn, this newer fleet carrier offered greater capabilities than its predecessor, by rectifying the deficiencies of the Bearn. However, Joffre was still of limited capacity with its aircraft facilities only amounting to carrier a complementary of 40 aircraft.

Summed upThe Joffre would make a logical choice to go at Tier 8 for the French Aircraft Tech tree.

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Arromanches (1951)

Why should it be added?

Arromanches (R95) was an aircraft carrier of the French Navy, which served from 1946 to 1974. She was previously HMS Colossus (15) of the Royal Navy. She was the name-ship of the Colossus class of light carriers. She was commissioned in 1944, but did not see any action in World War II. She served with the British Pacific Fleet in 1945–46, as an aircraft transport and repatriation ship.

In 1946, she was loaned to the French Navy, and renamed Arromanches; she was bought by the French in 1951.

In 1957–58 Arromanches was modified for anti-submarine warfare, including operation of Breguet Alizé ASW aircraft.

Summed up, the Arromanches could easily go into the Tier 10 slot for the French Carrier Tech tree since it was constructed and operated in a similar era to the USS Midway for the American Carrier Tech tree.

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Redoutable-class (1930)

Why should it be added?

One of the first generations of submarines for the French Navy.

The Redoutable-class submarines were a group of 31 submarines built between 1924 and 1937 for the French Navy. Most of the class saw service during the Second World War. The class is also known in French as the Classe 1 500 tonnes, and they were designated as "First Class submarines", or "large submarine cruisers". 

Summed up, this could be the Tier 6 French Submarine Tech Tree starting submarine.

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Circé class (1927)

Why should it be added?

The Circé-class submarines were a sub-class of the 600 Series of submarines built for the French Navy prior to World War II. One of the interesting aspects of the 600 series was that it contained two, midship torpedoes that were fitted in external, trainable mounts. These external torpedoes were typically reloaded when back in port.

Summed up, this could be the Tier 8 French Submarine Tech Tree submarine.

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Saphir-class (1928)

Why should it be added?

The Saphir-class submarines were a class of six submarines built in France between 1926 and 1935 for the French Navy. Most saw action during World War II for the Vichy French Navy or the Free French Naval ForcesThe Saphir-class submarines were constructed to be able to launch torpedoes and lay mines without surfacing. 

Summed up, this could be the Tier 10 French Submarine Tech Tree submarine.

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Surcouf-class (1935)

Why should it be added?

Surcouf was the largest French cruiser submarine. She served in both the French Navy and the Free French Naval Forces during the Second World War. She was the largest submarine built until surpassed by the first Japanese I-400-class submarine in 1943. Surcouf was designed as an "underwater heavy cruiser", intended to seek and engage in surface combat. For reconnaissance purposes, the boat carried a Besson MB.411 observation floatplane in a hangar built abaft of the conning tower. However, the floatplane was also mainly used for gun calibration purposes.

Summed up, this could be a premium ship at Tier 10 in the form of coal, steel, research points, or cash.

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Life aboard the Strasbourg

Bearn in action

 

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1 hour ago, Sventex said:

Life aboard the Strasbourg

Bearn in action

 

This is awesome footage! :)

 

While most Americans, and English love mocking the French, its amazing how much resistance they gave the Germans, and even more so how those that flew the Free France flag fought tooth and nail to free their country.

 

This feat is even more amazing despite their own allies, England, bombing their navy, and they still decided to fight for the allies.

Course, not all did, many Vichy France flag flying ships did emerge, especially the submarine division, which did battle in the name of the Axis. 

Very interesting naval history. 

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Some interesting ships, some rather over-tiered like Lorraine, Saphir and Arromanches in particular. 

A number are challenging additions to balance, the cruisers are badly armored, Surcouf is difficult to imagine given submarines lack functioning guns at all. 

For myself the most interesting French additions left would probably be the Le Hardi and T47 class destroyers and similar. France is getting pretty well represented, all 4 of Dunk-JB in game for instance.

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As someone that mains alot of french warships take my +1.

I take a keen interest dupleix, bearn, Surcouf and Lorraine. 

Aside from the 2 DDs mentioned by mofton before me, I would like to also see Mogador '41, basically mogador missing one of her rare main gun turrets with some AA guns added in its place. I wanna see it down at tier 8 with typical french DD consumables or tier 7 with the same consumables as Aigle.

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20 minutes ago, ZARDOZ_II said:

Messena.  The modelers would be pulling their hair out trying to model this one.

French Battleship Massena (1898) in 2020 | Battleship ...

Ah yes, the artisan armored cruisers or light "dreadnoughts".

Also interesting history i learn about them. 

Each was suppose to be a copy, like any other normal navy design board did. However, I learned that apparently, french politicians were very corrupt at the time (what else is new) and also had a lot of say in ship design. These together meant each ship design ordered was given to a different build company as a kick back for backing a politician...

So if the French navy ordered 4x cruisers, you had 4x separate companies construct them. Each company then "interpreted" the design in its own way, and the politicians also made their own "improvements". In one case, the secondary gun batteries out performed the main gun batteries, in another, crew quarters were luxurious by navy standards, in another, armor was thicker, which slowed the ship. 

In the end. The navy would get 4x cruisers, but each was very unique. Hence the term "French Artisan cruisers".

This carried on until the navy finally got more power, and could use their own builders, which was post Bretagne. 

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11 hours ago, Mr_Secondaries said:

French Ships I’d like to see added into WOWS in the future, and why…

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Duquesne (1943)

Why should it be added?

The Duquesne class was an enlarged version of the successfully designed Duguay-Trouin light cruiser. With the development of a superior 203mm gun, this class was designed to maintain the speed of 34 knots set by the Duguay-Trouin class, but carried 8x 203mm guns mounted in 4x twin turret mounts. Similar to the Duguay-Trouin class, it also carried 2x sets of triple turret torpedoe mounts, with one mount located on each side of the ship.

Summed up, this is a enlarged version of the Duguay-Trouin light cruiser with 203mm guns that could offer an alternative style of play at Tier 5.   

image.png.c4f1d239808d41e20299fbc21560ea33.png

Dupleix (1937)

Why should it be added?

Derived from the Duquesne class cruisers, these were meant to be fast support cruisers that traveled at 32 knots, and armed with 8x 203mm guns set in 4x twin turret mounts. They also came with a set of 2x triple turret torpedo launchers, one mount on each side of the ship.  

Summed up, the Dupleix is a faster, smaller, and slightly less armored version of the Algerie class ship that could be an alternative style of play at Tier 6.

image.png.29ac45065afdb233c703068effc8a438.png

Lorraine (1943)

Why should it be added?

The Lorraine is a Bretagne class dreadnought that was heavily modernized in 1943 compared to its two sister ships. The modernized Lorraine included removing the aircraft facilities and installing a large number of anti-aircraft guns, including eight 75 mm guns, fourteen 40 mm guns, and twenty-five 20 mm guns. Modern radar equipment similarly found on US and British Ships was also installed on the ship.

Summed up, the Lorraine underwent the same transformation that the USS Texas did, but a little further in some areas. Coupled with its unique radar equipment, and being modernized with numerous amounts of heavy AA guns, this ship could be especially interesting as a Tier 6 alternative since both the Dunkerque and the Normandie are not specifically known for their radar or AA capabilities.  

image.png.3dddeedd4fb663446a7c179b8ea5d527.png

Commandant Teste (1929)

Why should it be added?

One of the biggest seaplane tenders ever built. It was also the largest seaplane tender in Europe during WW2. She had carrying capacity of 26 aircraft and was equipped with 4 catapults. Her aircraft mainly consisted of the large Loire 130 flying boat Torpedo Bombers. Fighters were never provided to the ship, although the Loire 210 floatplane was designed specifically for the role.  

Summed up, the Commandant Teste could start as the Tier 4 carrier for the French Carrier Tech tree.

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Béarn (1920)

Why should it be added?

The Bearn was the first converted aircraft carrier for the French navy which was completed using the hull of a Normandie Class Battleship. After successful tests of the Commandant Teste, the French Navy was interested in a more “standard” carrier design to further develop naval aviation. She carried a complement of 32 aircraft. While never truly tested in battle, she did take part in the hunt for the famous Admiral Graf Spee armored cruiser.

Summed up, she could go at Tier 6 for the French Carrier Tech Tree.

image.png.8844188403d88021bc34b2294dac2b5d.png

Joffre (1940)

Why should it be added?

Joffre was the first carrier designed from the keep up for the French Navy. Unlike the Bearn, this newer fleet carrier offered greater capabilities than its predecessor, by rectifying the deficiencies of the Bearn. However, Joffre was still of limited capacity with its aircraft facilities only amounting to carrier a complementary of 40 aircraft.

Summed upThe Joffre would make a logical choice to go at Tier 8 for the French Aircraft Tech tree.

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Arromanches (1951)

Why should it be added?

Arromanches (R95) was an aircraft carrier of the French Navy, which served from 1946 to 1974. She was previously HMS Colossus (15) of the Royal Navy. She was the name-ship of the Colossus class of light carriers. She was commissioned in 1944, but did not see any action in World War II. She served with the British Pacific Fleet in 1945–46, as an aircraft transport and repatriation ship.

In 1946, she was loaned to the French Navy, and renamed Arromanches; she was bought by the French in 1951.

In 1957–58 Arromanches was modified for anti-submarine warfare, including operation of Breguet Alizé ASW aircraft.

Summed up, the Arromanches could easily go into the Tier 10 slot for the French Carrier Tech tree since it was constructed and operated in a similar era to the USS Midway for the American Carrier Tech tree.

image.png.d31eadbb79210ad6c600ae7c11b8bf53.png

Redoutable-class (1930)

Why should it be added?

One of the first generations of submarines for the French Navy.

The Redoutable-class submarines were a group of 31 submarines built between 1924 and 1937 for the French Navy. Most of the class saw service during the Second World War. The class is also known in French as the Classe 1 500 tonnes, and they were designated as "First Class submarines", or "large submarine cruisers". 

Summed up, this could be the Tier 6 French Submarine Tech Tree starting submarine.

image.png.b761b3eaeba2b0ac68f4ce58e4866cdc.png

Circé class (1927)

Why should it be added?

The Circé-class submarines were a sub-class of the 600 Series of submarines built for the French Navy prior to World War II. One of the interesting aspects of the 600 series was that it contained two, midship torpedoes that were fitted in external, trainable mounts. These external torpedoes were typically reloaded when back in port.

Summed up, this could be the Tier 8 French Submarine Tech Tree submarine.

image.png.a20cfb79e7c175d2810104db15eacb72.png

Saphir-class (1928)

Why should it be added?

The Saphir-class submarines were a class of six submarines built in France between 1926 and 1935 for the French Navy. Most saw action during World War II for the Vichy French Navy or the Free French Naval ForcesThe Saphir-class submarines were constructed to be able to launch torpedoes and lay mines without surfacing. 

Summed up, this could be the Tier 10 French Submarine Tech Tree submarine.

image.png.49d27b14a796d02ef546003744e7aec5.png

Surcouf-class (1935)

Why should it be added?

Surcouf was the largest French cruiser submarine. She served in both the French Navy and the Free French Naval Forces during the Second World War. She was the largest submarine built until surpassed by the first Japanese I-400-class submarine in 1943. Surcouf was designed as an "underwater heavy cruiser", intended to seek and engage in surface combat. For reconnaissance purposes, the boat carried a Besson MB.411 observation floatplane in a hangar built abaft of the conning tower. However, the floatplane was also mainly used for gun calibration purposes.

Summed up, this could be a premium ship at Tier 10 in the form of coal, steel, research points, or cash.

Oink! France was a second rank Axis power. First Germany, Japan and Italy, after the rest. We just had the German CVs, after we'll have the Duce's Regia Marina's DDs, BBs, CVs and Subs. Let's also have the TX Premium Kriegsmarine Franz von Goltz CV. And after, the Vichy's stuff. Goltz.

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