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An interesting question and all 'Scientists have to give in answer is more questions and or theory just like many other subjects'
There is a ancient historical anomaly that comes in the form of a mysterious race of people known as ‘The Sea Peoples’ who over a period of 175 years executed a series of apocalyptic incursions against the countries of ancient Syria, Egypt, Libya and the rest of the Eastern Mediterranean, before disappearing back into the seas. Who were these people? Where were they from? Back in the 50's one of my favorite authors wrote a story based upon what we knew then and we don't know much more now than we knew the just that an unknown people came in and conquered the four greatest nations of the time Greece,Egypt,Persia,Babylon ruled all of them for less than 200 years and vanished creating the first dark age, All that is known is theory's and conjecture

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32 minutes ago, shadowsrmine said:
An interesting question and all 'Scientists have to give in answer is more questions and or theory just like many other subjects'
There is a ancient historical anomaly that comes in the form of a mysterious race of people known as ‘The Sea Peoples’ who over a period of 175 years executed a series of apocalyptic incursions against the countries of ancient Syria, Egypt, Libya and the rest of the Eastern Mediterranean, before disappearing back into the seas. Who were these people? Where were they from? Back in the 50's one of my favorite authors wrote a story based upon what we knew then and we don't know much more now than we knew the just that an unknown people came in and conquered the four greatest nations of the time Greece,Egypt,Persia,Babylon ruled all of them for less than 200 years and vanished creating the first dark age, All that is known is theory's and conjecture

 

It's history as well as an ancient mystery and in an pertinent category so what's the issue?It's also about ancient sea warfare which in a game about sea warfare would be of interest.............................So?

 

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Did you really feel the need to copy the whole OP & throw in that clarifier just because somebody gave you a confused emoji?

Watched the 2 short ones at the end...they didn't cover the part of the sea people running the world for 200 years...must have been in the longer ones.

Don't believe most of ancient history...as 1 person can tell a story...it get passed down the line to 10 different people 1 at a time & by the 10th retelling it's a completely different story...

& that's just in 1 day.

How much of history can even remotely be considered viable based on 2k - 5k years of retelling...& who is the guy that decided what words/pictures that were etched into/written on/painted on walls from 5k years ago means what they're supposed to mean.

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Sea peoples are fascinating to me. Unfortunately we know very little of them. On the bright side, decades ago the sea peoples were little more than a fairy tale. Now evidence has come.

 

4 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

who is the guy that decided what words/pictures that were etched into/written on/painted on walls from 5k years ago means what they're supposed to mean.

In some civilizations you can give more credit to the translations. For instance we have the rosetta stone, wich has the same text written in ancient egyptian and greek. Other exemple is the Maya civilization, ironically the monk that done the most to erase maya culture also wrote the correspondent maya sounds in spanish in his memories book, wich helped in the translation effords.

 

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Here's something to think about: What if the Sea Peoples were from east Asia? Historically, China was way ahead of the game in comparison to Europe, and in the 15th century they traded across the seas of Southeast Asia and the Indian Ocean in the largest wooden ships ever built. Perhaps they managed to make it all the way around the Cape of Good Hope, into the Mediterranean, and kicked the Bronze Age peoples' asses before heading back to the other side of the world. Honestly, it sounds about as plausible to me as the Norse making it to North America in the Dark and Medieval Ages, something for which there's been known proof of for a long time.

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In research of the Old Testament, Saul was told to conquer a city, utterly destroy everything, and bring nothing back.  He didn't understand - and didn't comply.

History shows the reason for this.  The Sea Peoples were supposed to find this 'Scorched Earth' with spoiled food and exterminated population (including animals) and experience the kind of terror we understand today.

As far as the Sea People would know, they were coming into an area and will be facing 'something' that has no interest in reasoning, prisoners, conquest, or loot.
They have no wish to encounter such a thing - human or not.  The book doesn't say this, but we assume the Sea People turned back and left Saul alone.  Scorched Earth worked.

As a result, the only encounter would be later on, against a related group called the Philistines.

It was the end of the Bronze Age and civilizations were dying like flies.  The Sea People were assumed to be multinational bands of unemployed troops, banding together into armies of pirates.  Their families back home were starving, so they fanned out on 'gathering missions' to steal grain and livestock to send home.  Civilizations of the time stocked up for the coming drought, and those stockpiles were what the Sea Peoples was after.

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2 hours ago, shadowsrmine said:

An interesting question: Who Were The Sea Peoples?

And an interesting answer:

 McHale's Navy - Classic TV Database

And funny story; it turns out Atlantis was actually Gilligan's Island.

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The Phoenicians date back to the time period you are referencing. They are known to operate in those waters and it was believed they made it to Mexico and East coast of US. There is a archaeological site in Georgia that is being studied but it's still underway as of 5 years ago.

In Mexico, quetzalcoatl was described to have a mediterranean appearance and blue eyes. Cortez noted this in his logs.

However, due to a lot of data lost to antiquity, the only way to be sure is archaeological study of sites and their connections around the world.

It has already been established recently that the Vikings had indeed arrived at the New World before Columbus.

What is more important is that we still don't know how far back the civilizations of the Vikings and Phoenicians go.

That is still up for debate. All the books say the key word " about".

We just don't know.

You just have to be there to know.

I mean it's not like Ragnarok already happened and the Norse gods all moved to Texas or something?

If anything, they would be in Minnesota right? Loki would be an underwear model, owner of a communication social media app using a divisive word to poke fun, and Thor is running around delivering pizzas because it's something to do. He has no frost giants to kill.

It's not like Odin would own a social media platform with a bird motif?

IDK. History is a mystery. 🤔😏

 

 

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1 hour ago, Umikami said:

And an interesting answer:

 McHale's Navy - Classic TV Database

And funny story; it turns out Atlantis was actually Gilligan's Island.

:Smile_great:Funny Very funny:Smile_sceptic::Smile_unsure:

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5 hours ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said:

The Phoenicians date back to the time period you are referencing. They are known to operate in those waters and it was believed they made it to Mexico and East coast of US. There is a archaeological site in Georgia that is being studied but it's still underway as of 5 years ago.

In Mexico, quetzalcoatl was described to have a mediterranean appearance and blue eyes. Cortez noted this in his logs.

However, due to a lot of data lost to antiquity, the only way to be sure is archaeological study of sites and their connections around the world.

It has already been established recently that the Vikings had indeed arrived at the New World before Columbus.

What is more important is that we still don't know how far back the civilizations of the Vikings and Phoenicians go.

That is still up for debate. All the books say the key word " about".

We just don't know.

You just have to be there to know.

I mean it's not like Ragnarok already happened and the Norse gods all moved to Texas or something?

If anything, they would be in Minnesota right? Loki would be an underwear model, owner of a communication social media app using a divisive word to poke fun, and Thor is running around delivering pizzas because it's something to do. He has no frost giants to kill.

It's not like Odin would own a social media platform with a bird motif?

IDK. History is a mystery. 🤔😏

 

 

:Smile_great:Yup all we have is theory's and conjecture...............................Funny thing about scientists is their all too quick too dismiss and put anything except when it supports they're.........................................Yup just like the religious cultists they and everyone else like to put down,So what's the difference between them? None really. And here I quote Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes  “It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” It is interesting to think about and speculate about however just as long as we don't travel down the route of This is the answer because I say it's the answer,  Because then we're no better than the scientists and cultistsgiphy.gifPS  Here's a funny thing I don't look too much different than the actor in this picture :Smile_teethhappy::Smile_trollface:Just wish I made the money he did

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The simple answer is that the Sea Peoples were just locals of the Mediterranean who took up raiding when farming failed them due to the collapse of bronze production.  Farming requires a reasonable stable society in order to be effective because the crops have to be tended too for several seasons.  If the local government has collapsed, if bandits roam the countryside in large numbers and farming tools no longer in production and there have been several natural disasters recently, it can be easy why raiding might be a more effective way of feeding yourself.

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1 hour ago, shadowsrmine said:

  Because then we're no better than the scientists and cultists

There's a world of difference between a scientist and a cultist. Science limits itself to the verifiable and repeatable. This is why science is so powerful a tool at attaining actual, usable knowledge. By narrowing its focus down to what can be actually observed, classified, and analyzed in the real world science has accomplished more in the last two hundred years than mysticism, religion, and philosophy did in the previous two thousand.

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2 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

There's a world of difference between a scientist and a cultist. Science limits itself to the verifiable and repeatable. This is why science is so powerful a tool at attaining actual, usable knowledge. By narrowing its focus down to what can be actually observed, classified, and analyzed in the real world science has accomplished more in the last two hundred years than mysticism, religion, and philosophy did in the previous two thousand.

:Smile_great:Yeah? Like the whole argument between John Muir and the state geologist over how Yellowstone was formed just because the geologist felt Muir didn't have what the geologist thought was a legit education?Or how about archeology how about how archeologists ruin each other each other or steal other peoples research or ruin other peoples research,Or how about we look at evolution and how peoples different evolution scientists have ruined one another over theory's only in a generation or two to have the original theory to be discredited and the ruined scientist to be considered correct? Is that the science your talking about Snargfargle? Yup scientists and cultists have more similarity's than you give credit to just one one example of which is the discredited Egyptian archeologist Zahi Hawass who for years stole other peoples research?Or ruined and or discredited other archeologists  is that the kind of science your speaking of? Yup science is full of the same kind of fraud the cultists have been of    

The Rise and Fall and Rise of Zahi Hawass

The long-reigning king of Egyptian antiquities has been forced into exile—but he’s plotting a return

Zahi Hawass

            https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-fall-of-zahi-hawass-32319337/    

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5 hours ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said:

I mean it's not like Ragnarok already happened and the Norse gods all moved to Texas or something?

If anything, they would be in Minnesota right? Loki would be an underwear model, owner of a communication social media app using a divisive word to poke fun, and Thor is running around delivering pizzas because it's something to do. He has no frost giants to kill.

It's not like Odin would own a social media platform with a bird motif?

IDK. History is a mystery. 🤔😏

 

 

:Smile_great:Or Norway?Looks like Norway to me 🤷‍♂️And what would be more legitimate?

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5 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

There's a world of difference between a scientist and a cultist. Science limits itself to the verifiable and repeatable. This is why science is so powerful a tool at attaining actual, usable knowledge. By narrowing its focus down to what can be actually observed, classified, and analyzed in the real world science has accomplished more in the last two hundred years than mysticism, religion, and philosophy did in the previous two thousand.

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:Smile_great:Yeah? Like the whole argument between John Muir and the state geologist over how Yellowstone was formed just because the geologist felt Muir didn't have what the geologist thought was a legit education?Or how about archeology how about how archeologists ruin each other each other or steal other peoples research or ruin other peoples research,Or how about we look at evolution and how peoples different evolution scientists have ruined one another over theory's only in a generation or two to have the original theory to be discredited and the ruined scientist to be considered correct? Is that the science your talking about Snargfargle? Yup scientists and cultists have more similarity's than you give credit to just one one example of which is the discredited Egyptian archeologist Zahi Hawass who for years stole other peoples research?Or ruined and or discredited other archeologists  is that the kind of science your speaking of? Yup science is full of the same kind of fraud the cultists have been of    

The Rise and Fall and Rise of Zahi Hawass

The long-reigning king of Egyptian antiquities has been forced into exile—but he’s plotting a return

Zahi Hawass

            https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-fall-of-zahi-hawass-32319337/    

 

:Smile_great:Yes Snargfargle  science and or scientists are just as full of fraud and fraudsters as any other area and or subject tho they do like to Pretend  to be above all that don't they? 3pxm.gif                Tho I do admit that the fraud and or fraudsters that infest science just as it and they infest everything else in life it doesn't invalidate science and

it and they infest everything else in life it doesn't invalidate science and or scientists just that we have to stand back and retain a skeptical attitude just as we do with everything else

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11 hours ago, shadowsrmine said:
An interesting question and all 'Scientists have to give in answer is more questions and or theory just like many other subjects'
There is a ancient historical anomaly that comes in the form of a mysterious race of people known as ‘The Sea Peoples’ who over a period of 175 years executed a series of apocalyptic incursions against the countries of ancient Syria, Egypt, Libya and the rest of the Eastern Mediterranean, before disappearing back into the seas. Who were these people? Where were they from? Back in the 50's one of my favorite authors wrote a story based upon what we knew then and we don't know much more now than we knew the just that an unknown people came in and conquered the four greatest nations of the time Greece,Egypt,Persia,Babylon ruled all of them for less than 200 years and vanished creating the first dark age, All that is known is theory's and conjecture

 

Interesting topic.  Thanks for sharing.

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Just now, Wolfswetpaws said:

Interesting topic.  Thanks for sharing.

:Smile_great:A subject I've been fascinated with ever since I read Andre Nortons Shadow Hawk over 50 years ago 

Shadow hawk

Book by Andre Norton
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Rahotep was the son of a noble Egyptian family, but an older half-brother had unjustly deprived him of his place at court and had secured his transfer to a distant desert outpost. 

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This video mentions "the sea peoples" briefly.

 

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And before we go with this "The simple answer is that the Sea Peoples were just locals of the Mediterranean who took up raiding when farming failed them due to the collapse of bronze production.  Farming requires a reasonable stable society in order to be effective because the crops have to be tended too for several seasons.  If the local government has collapsed, if bandits roam the countryside in large numbers and farming tools no longer in production and there have been several natural disasters recently, it can be easy why raiding might be a more effective way of feeding yourself." 👹 :Smile_sceptic:  We also have to look at whoever these people were they took down and destroyed Not One Not Two Not Three but Four Already Successful Empires:Smile_amazed: If whoever did this can someone do this to us now?

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5 hours ago, shadowsrmine said:

Peoples research or ruin other peoples research

This is exactly how science is supposed to work. You postulate an hypothesis and then test it, trying to disprove it. If you cannot disprove it you tentatively accept it and then publish your results so that the scientific community as a whole has access to your research so that they can then try to disprove it, and believe me, they will. Sure, some scientists get all "hot and bothered" about things because even among scientists you will find this personality type. However, eventually the hypothesis will either stand on its own merits and get incorporated into a scientific theory, which then provides the basis for modeling reality, or be sent back for tweaking and re-testing in a process of iteration that will lead to a more robust theory. Scientific models, based on scientific theory, allow us to do things like convert energy into usable power in order to run our industry, develop new varieties of crops and livestock in order to feed the world's ever-increasing population, create medicines, develop new and better electronics, go to space,  etc. That is, essentially do everything we take for granted as "normal" in modern society.

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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

 

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54 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

This is exactly how science is supposed to work. You postulate an hypothesis and then test it, trying to disprove it. If you cannot disprove it you tentatively accept it and then publish your results so that the scientific community as a whole has access to your research so that they can then try to disprove it, and believe me, they will. Sure, some scientists get all "hot and bothered" about things because even among scientists you will find this personality type. However, eventually the hypothesis will either stand on its own merits and get incorporated into a scientific theory, which then provides the basis for modeling reality, or be sent back for tweaking and re-testing in a process of iteration that will lead to a more robust theory. Scientific models, based on scientific theory, allow us to do things like convert energy into usable power in order to run our industry, develop new varieties of crops and livestock in order to feed the world's ever-increasing population, create medicines, develop new and better electronics, go to space,  etc. That is, essentially do everything we take for granted as "normal" in modern society.

 

:Smile_great:And once again you avoid and or ignore the whole point IE the Fraud,Fraudsters,And just plain thieves like Zahi Hawass who steal other peoples research and work and claimed it for his own and others like him,    Just like the cultists do:Smile_facepalm:3pxm.gif   

 

 

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, shadowsrmine said:

:Smile_great:And once again you avoid and or ignore the whole point IE the Fraud,Fraudsters,And just plain thieves like Zahi Hawass 

That's politics, not science. Science creates new knowledge, who claims or profits from said knowledge is not really science's business as long as the knowledge itself is tested and deemed to be as accurate as the data and measuring precision of the instruments allow for. In fact, that people would be trying to steal and profit from scientific knowledge in the first place is yet another test that proves its intrinsic value. For every fraudster or huckster there are thousands of legitimate scientists too. If there were not we would no be having this discussion over the Internet.

 

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3 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

That's >>-->>>politics,<<<--<<Forbidden Topic This  not science. Science creates new knowledge, who claims or profits from said knowledge is not really science's business as long as the knowledge itself is tested and deemed to be as accurate as the data and measuring precision of the instruments allow for. In fact, that people would be trying to steal and profit from scientific knowledge in the first place is yet another test that proves its intrinsic value. For every fraudster or huckster there are thousands of legitimate scientists too. If there were not we would no be having this discussion over the Internet.

 

:Smile_great:And your trying confuse the issue by bringing in Verboten Topics,  The point is scientists are Just As Prone To Be Dishonest As Everyone Else  Zahi Hawass being Just One case in point

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11 minutes ago, shadowsrmine said:

:Smile_great:And your trying confuse the issue by bringing in Verboten Topics,  The point is scientists are Just As Prone To Be Dishonest As Everyone Else  Zahi Hawass being Just One case in point

As humans, individual scientists can be and are dishonest at times. However, the scientific method is robust to this. When you publish you are putting your research out there for everyone to peruse and try to find fault with if they can. If there is anything untoward with your research or conclusions it will soon be discovered and you will be called to task for it. I sort of know this as I was a field biologist and college biology instructor. 

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1 minute ago, Snargfargle said:

As humans, individual scientists can be and are dishonest at times. However, the scientific method is robust to this. When you publish you are putting your research out there for everyone to peruse and try to find fault with if they can. If there is anything untoward with your research or conclusions it will soon be discovered and you will be called to task for it. I sort of know this as I was a field biologist and college biology instructor. 

:Smile_great::Smile_amazed::Smile_sceptic:Except Hawass got away with what he was doing for how many decades? giphy.gif

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