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Why don't we have any US Coast Guard ships in the game? They were very important to the USN during WWII.

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11 minutes ago, JTM78 said:

Why don't we have any US Coast Guard ships in the game? They were very important to the USN during WWII.

Are there classes that are unique to the USCG,  that  would also fit in this game?

I know USCG did alot of work in the Atlantic but I'm no expert. This might be more of a special Captain or skin, kind of thing.

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Coasties only sailed escort ships or cutters. None of their ships would compete against a DD in game with their largest armament a couple of 76mm guns.

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The Coast Guard had 17 gunboats available for North Atlantic convoy escort after ten were loaned to the Royal Navy in early 1941 as BANFF class sloops. With the exception of two conversions, Coast Guard received no more gunboats until 75 frigates became available beginning in mid-1943. Coast Guard personnel later manned 30 destroyer escorts.  The 327 foot cutters were converted to amphibious force flagships in 1944-45 and Coast Guard personnel manned nearly 500 troop transports, LSTs, and smaller ships.

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The US Coast Guard sunk two German U boats in US waters during WW2.  US Coast Guards saw service in Europe, Africa and the Pacific. Hell even the British Icarus is a US Coast Guard ship.

There are a lot of US Coast Guard ships that would be neat to see in the game and would great U boat hunters too.

Haida/Tampa Class

Algonquin Class

Owasco Class

Argo Class

WPY-175 USS Marita

Wind Class

Muskeget Class

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/ships-cg.html

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The USCGC Taney (currently located in the port of Baltimore as a museum ship) is the last floating ship that participated in the attack on pearl harbor.

At one point in the war she was armed with 4 × 5"/38 caliber guns. Not as much of a pushover as most CG ships.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Taney_(WHEC-37)

Really cool little ship, well worth visiting if you're ever in Baltimore. 

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Cutters

240 foot gunboats: 1780 tons, 16 knots, 2x5" 2x3" and 4x20mm guns.
    Haida (WPG-45), Modoc (WPG-46), Mojave (WPG-47),
    and Tampa (WPG-48)
These cutters, launched in 1921, were assigned to the Greenland patrol.

165 foot patrol boats: 337 tons, 16 knots, 2x3" & 2x20mm guns.
    Argo (WPC-100), Ariadne (WPC-101), Atalanta (WPC-102)
    Aurora (WPC-103), Calypso (WPC-104), Cyane (WPC-105)
    Daphne (WPC-106), Dione (WPC-107), Galatea (WPC-108)
    Hermes (WPC-109), Icarus (WPC-110), Nemesis (WPC-111)
    Nike (WPC-112), Pandora (WPC-113), Perseus (WPC-114)
    Thetis (WPC-115) and Triton (WPC-116)
These low endurance cutters were built in the early 1930's. Cutters of this class are credited with sinking U-157 and U-352 off the southeastern United States.

165 foot gunboats: 1005 tons, 13 knots, 2x3" & 3x20mm guns.
    Algonquin (WPG-75), Comanche (WPG-76), Escanaba (WPG-77)
    Mohawk (WPG-78), Onondaga (WPG-79), and Tahoma (WPG-80)
These high endurance cutters, launched in 1934, were too slow for effective convoy escort. Tampa, Comanche, and Escanaba were escorting small convoy SG-19 when 5252 ton United States Army transport Dorcester was torpedoed by U-456. 677 men died in what is remembered as one of the United States worst troopship losses of the war. Escanaba was destroyed off Ivigtut, Greenland, 13 June 1943 by an explosion of undetermined cause. There were only 2 survivors from her crew of 105.

327 foot gunboats: 2216 tons, 20 knots, 125 men.
    Bibb (WPG-31), Campbell (WPG-32), Duane (WPG-33),
    Alexander Hamilton (WPG-34), Ingham (WPG-35),
    Spencer (WPG-35) and Taney (WPG-37)
These cutters were built at the Philadelphia, New York, and Charleston navy yards in 1936 using the Washington naval treaty gunboat pattern of USS Erie (PG-50). (Erie was torpedoed by U-163 off Curacao on 12 November 1942.) The cutters rejected treaty armament of four 6"/47 guns in favor of lighter weapons. Taney mounted 4 single 5"/38 guns in enclosed mounts; but was considered less satisfactory than the remaining cutters which carried 3 single 5"/38 and 3 single 3"/50 guns in open mounts. Two cutters were assigned to each of the American transatlantic convoy groups. Those escort groups were filled out with Canadian corvettes and a few American flush deck destroyers. Hamilton was torpedoed by U-132 off Iceland and capsized in tow on 29 January 1942. Cutters of this class are credited with sinking U-175, U-606, and U-626 on the North Atlantic convoy routes.

304 foot frigates: 1430 tons, 18 kts, 180 men, 3x3" and 10x20mm guns.
    Tacoma (PF-3), Sausalito (PF-4), Hoquiam (PF-5)
    Pasco (PF-6), Albuquerque (PF-7), Everett (PF-8)
    Pocatello (PF-9), Brownsville (PF-10), Grand Forks (PF-11)
    Casper (PF-12), Pueblo (PF-13), Grand Island (PF-14)
    Annapolis (PF-15), Bangor (PF-16), Key West (PF-17)
    Alexandria (PF-18), Huron (PF-19), Gulfport (PF-20)
    Bayonne (PF-21), Gloucester (PF-22), Shreveport (PF-23)
    Muskegon (PF-24), Charlottesville (PF-25)
    Poughkeepsie (PF-26), Newport (PF-27), Emporia (PF-28)
    Groton (PF-29), Hingham (PF-30), Grand Rapids (PF-31)
    Woonsocket (PF-32), Dearborn (PF-33), Long Beach (PF-34)
    Belfast (PF-35), Glendale (PF-36), San Pedro (PF-37)
    Coronado (PF-38), Ogden (PF-39), Eugene (PF-40)
    El Paso (PF-41), Van Buren (PF-42), Orange (PF-43)
    Corpus Christi (PF-44), Hutchinson (PF-45), Bisbee (PF-46)
    Gallup (PF-47), Rockford (PF-48), Muskogee (PF-49)
    Carson City (PF-50), Burlington (PF-51), Allentown (PF-52)
    Machias (PF-53), Sandusky (PF-54), Bath (PF-55)
    Covington (PF-56), Sheboygan (PF-57), Abilene (PF-58)
    Beaufort (PF-59), Charlotte (PF-60), Manitowoc (PF-61)
    Gladwyne (PF-62), Moberly (PF-63), Knoxville (PF-64)
    Uniontown (PF-65), Reading (PF-68), Peoria (PF-69)
    Evansville (PF-70), New Bedford (PF-71), Lorain (PF-93)
    Milledgeville (PF-94), Orlando (PF-99), Racine (PF-100)
    Greensboro (PF-101) and Forsyth (PF-102)

American shipyards built a modified version of the Royal Navy's RIVER class frigate. The United States Navy preferred American designed destroyer escorts being produced at the same time. The frigates (except for 21 delivered to the Royal Navy as their COLONY class) were assigned to Coast Guard personnel experienced with reciprocating machinery. Like the Coast Guard manned destroyer escorts, however, these ships were not officially transferred from the Navy to the Coast Guard. Moberly shares credit for sinking U-853 off New York.

255 foot gunboats: 1563 tons, 18 knots, 150 men, 2 twin 5"/38 guns.
    Owasco (WPG-39), Winnebago (WPG-40), Chautaqua (WPG-41)
    Sebago (WPG-42), Iroqois (WPG-43), Wachusett (WPG-44)
    Escanaba (WPG-64), Winona (WPG-65), Klamath (WPG-66)
    Minnetonka (WPG-67), Androscoggin (WPG-68)
    Mendota (WPG-69) and Ponchartrain (WPG-70)
These were the first wartime constructed gunboats actually transferred to the Coast Guard. They were intended to replace the cutters loaned to the Royal Navy, and some repeated the names of earlier wartime losses. Delivery began in mid-1944, and some were not completed until after cessation of hostilities.

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The Erie class is in the game and is pretty representative of the largest and fastest USCG ships of the era. That should also be a good indication where they would be placed.

Also note that most USCG vessels are not built for trans-oceanic operations, so most would not be able to reach conflict zones such as depicted in WOWS, which is focused on blue water forces.

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When war was declared the Coast Guard was changed so that it was under the department of the Navy. That being said most Coasties served aboard Navy ships. Such as the Frigates listed above.

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During the D-Day attack in June of 1943, the USCG Yamacraw was watching a coastal road a few dozen miles south of the landing.

Seeing some armored fighting vehicles (and not bothering to ID them) she fired on them.

The vehicles on the road turned and fired back.

Interestingly, their firepower was enough that the Yamacraw was severely damage and in danger of actually sinking.

She put out a distress call, an attendent battlewagon approached and 'sank the road'.

After the war, investigators searched the area and discovered what appeared to be 2 Jagdtigers among many the many panzers in the waters off shore.

This was the FIRST indication Jagdtigers had been anywhere near the Normandy landings.

The fact that the Yamacraw was almost sank by these shows just why Coast guard cutters were not normal in the USN order of battle.

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Yeah, while USCG ships *can* fight, they are not warships. They are designed to police coastal waters and assist any local maritime efforts.

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3 hours ago, JTM78 said:

Why don't we have any US Coast Guard ships in the game? They were very important to the USN during WWII.

Something like the Treasury Class cutters might fit in at Tier 1, but that's about it.

Fun fact: my uncle was a USCG assault boat (LCVP) coxswain at Utah Beach on D-Day and at Okinawa. Two Purple Hearts for shrapnel wounds.

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I think USCGC Campbell (WPG-32) could definitely be added to the game, including mascot Sinbad in animal, camo or flag form; I built the Revell model once upon a time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Campbell_(WPG-32)#:~:text=USCGC Campbell (WPG-32) was a 327-foot,of the United States Treasury.

 

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Fun fact: the USCG they still use a Kriegsmarine ship today

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She was a training vessel under the Nazi and went as war bounty to the USA. There she got renamed as USCGC Eagle and is use for training cadets. 

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4 hours ago, Rokkator said:

The USCGC Taney (currently located in the port of Baltimore as a museum ship) is the last floating ship that participated in the attack on pearl harbor.

At one point in the war she was armed with 4 × 5"/38 caliber guns. Not as much of a pushover as most CG ships.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Taney_(WHEC-37)

Really cool little ship, well worth visiting if you're ever in Baltimore. 

 

42 minutes ago, Charon2018 said:

I think USCGC Campbell (WPG-32) could definitely be added to the game, including mascot Sinbad in animal, camo or flag form; I built the Revell model once upon a time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Campbell_(WPG-32)#:~:text=USCGC Campbell (WPG-32) was a 327-foot,of the United States Treasury.

 

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Campbell was part of the Treasury-class, as was Taney.

That Revell model kit is actually what those ships looked like post WW2.

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1 hour ago, schizrade said:

Yeah, while USCG ships *can* fight, they are not warships. They are designed to police coastal waters and assist any local maritime efforts.

True they do not have big guns but some can be outfitted with torp tubes and depth charge racks. My ship patrolled 150 miles off the coast if you want to call that coastal ok. Some were in Vietnam for the blockade. We were in a hurricane with 30 foot seas and 90 knot winds to take 9 crewman from a freighter that broke in half. Our ship did just fine. The Alert. 1974

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28 minutes ago, Lord_Slayer said:

Campbell was part of the Treasury-class, as was Taney.

With their armaments, they should make it into a WoWs Tier somewhere-to counter Submarines perhaps?

  • Campbell 1943:
  • 2 × 5"/51 caliber gun (2×1);
  • 4 × 3"/50 caliber (4×1);
  • 2 × 20 mm/80 caliber Oerlikons (2x1);
  • 1 × Hedgehog;
  • 2 × "K" gun depth charge projectors;
  • 2 × depth charge racks.

 

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In early 1967, the Navy requested that the Coast Guard provide five high-endurance cutters for duty with the Navy’s Coastal Surveillance Forces. On April 24, Coast Guard Squadron Three (RONTHREE) was formed at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, and, in May, the high-endurance cutter Barataria fired the first RONTHREE naval gunfire support mission of the war. In February 1968, cutters Winona and Androscoggin engaged enemy trawlers and destroyed them with the aid of Coast Guard and Navy patrol boats while the cutter Minnetonka (image left) drove off another. This action was the largest naval engagement of the Vietnam War. Of the 56 cutters that served in Vietnam, 30 were turned over to South Vietnam and Coast Guardsmen trained their Vietnamese crews to operate the vessels. These were smaller patrol boats like the 82 footers. 8,000 Coast Guardsmen served in Vietnam

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22 minutes ago, Charon2018 said:

With their armaments, they should make it into a WoWs Tier somewhere-to counter Submarines perhaps?

  • Campbell 1943:
  • 2 × 5"/51 caliber gun (2×1);
  • 4 × 3"/50 caliber (4×1);
  • 2 × 20 mm/80 caliber Oerlikons (2x1);
  • 1 × Hedgehog;
  • 2 × "K" gun depth charge projectors;
  • 2 × depth charge racks.

 

Tier 1. The Treasury-class cutters were a modification of the Erie class. In fact, the hulls and propulsion were identical.

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Coast Guard Squadron Three

High Endurance Cutters Assigned

FIRST DEPLOYMENT

Barataria (WHEC 381) 4 May 67 - 25 Dec 67

Half Moon (WHEC 3 )  4 May 67 - 29 Dec 67

Yakutat (WHEC 380)   4 May 67 - 1 Jan 68

Gresham  (WHEC 387)  4 May 67 - 28 Jan. 68

Bering Strait (WHEC 382) 4 May 67 - 18 Feb. 68

Second Deployment

Duane (WHEC 33) 4 Dec 67 - 28 July 68

Androscoggin  (WHEC 68) 4 Dec. 67 - 4 Aug 68

Campbell (WHEC 32) 14 Dec 67 - 12 Aug 68

Minnetonka (WHEC 67) 5 Jan. 68 - 29 Sep. 68

Winona (WHEC 65) 25 Jan. 68 - 17 Oct. 67

Third Deployment

Bibb (WHEC 31) 4 July 68 - 28 Feb 69

Ingham  (WHEC 35) 16 July 68 - 3 Apr 69

Owasco (WHEC 39) 23 July 68 - 21 Mar 69

Wachusett (WHEC 44) 10 Sep 68 - 1 June  69

Winnebago (WHEC 40) 20 Sep 68 - 19 July  69

Fourth Deployment

Spencer (WHEC 36) 11 Feb 69 - 30 Sep 69

Mendota  (WHEC 69) 28 Feb 69 - 3 Nov 69

Sebago (WHEC 42) 2 March 69 - 16 Nov 69

TANEY (WHEC 37) 14 May   69 - 31 Jan 70

Klamath (WHEC 66) 7 July 69 - 3 April 70

Fifth Deployment

Hamilton (WHEC 715) 1 Nov 69 - 25 Nov 70

Dallas (WHEC 716) 3 Nov 69 - 19 June 70

Chase (WHEC 718) 6 Dec 69 - 28 May  70

Mellon  (WHEC 717) 31 Mar 70 - 2 July 70

Pontchartrain (WHEC 70) 9 May 70 - 3 Sep 70

Sixth Deployment

Sherman (WHEC 720) 22 Apr 70 - 25 Dec 70

Bering Strait (WHEC 382) 17 May 70 -  31 Dec 70 ++  +

Yakutat (WHEC 380) 17 May 70 - 31 Dec 70    ++  +

Seventh Deployment

Rush (WHEC 723)  28 Oct 70 - 15 July 71

Morgenthau  (WHEC 722) 6 Dec. 70 - 31 July 71

Eighth Deployment

Castle Rock  (WHEC 383) 9 July 71 - 21 Dec 71  +
Cook Inlet (WHEC 384)
2 Jul. 71  - 21 Dec. 71  +

+ Turned over to the South Vietnamese government.

++ Second deployment.

Squadron Three Statistics (4 Apr 1967 - 31 Jan 1972)

Miles Cruised -----------------------------------1,292,094
Vessels Inspected ----------------------------------50,000
Personnel Detained ------------------------------------138
Naval Gunfire Support Missions ----------------------1,368
Enemy Killed/wounded-in-action ------------------------722

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1 hour ago, Lord_Slayer said:

Campbell was part of the Treasury-class, as was Taney.

They both served in Vietnam in Squadron Three.

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6 hours ago, JTM78 said:

The US Coast Guard sunk two German U boats in US waters during WW2.  US Coast Guards saw service in Europe, Africa and the Pacific. Hell even the British Icarus is a US Coast Guard ship.

There are a lot of US Coast Guard ships that would be neat to see in the game and would great U boat hunters too.

Haida/Tampa Class

Algonquin Class

Owasco Class

Argo Class

WPY-175 USS Marita

Wind Class

Muskeget Class

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/ships-cg.html

The problem with dedicated ASW ships is that they're screwed if actual enemy surface combatants show up.

They might be great U-Boat hunters, (assuming they had their speed artificially boosted like subs) and they'd be neat to see in game.....  until they got spotted and blasted.

If any of those ships had come across a Konigsberg, or even a Z-class DD, (never mind a Hipper, Gneisenau, or Bismarck) they'd be oil-stained flotsam in a very short time.

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2 hours ago, Charon2018 said:

With their armaments, they should make it into a WoWs Tier somewhere-to counter Submarines perhaps?

  • Campbell 1943:
  • 2 × 5"/51 caliber gun (2×1);
  • 4 × 3"/50 caliber (4×1);
  • 2 × 20 mm/80 caliber Oerlikons (2x1);
  • 1 × Hedgehog;
  • 2 × "K" gun depth charge projectors;
  • 2 × depth charge racks.

 

The problem is, a ship in this game has to, besides countering some other ship type, be able to at least put up a credible fight against all other types.

Just how do you propose that ship take on a BB, unless it's AFK and you get close and keep it burning with a pair of 5" guns and 4 3" secondaries?

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2 hours ago, Grumpy_Chief said:

True they do not have big guns but some can be outfitted with torp tubes and depth charge racks...

 

You can put torp tubes on a barge, doesn't mean it would ever get close enough to an actual gun-armed warship to use them.

They had to do a few fantasy things to DDs, in order to make them competitive. Imagine what they'd have to do to frigates, corvettes, and gunboats.

It should be telling that the closest thing we have in game to any of those ships are T1 starter ships.

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