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Respectfully submit that the Tier 10 Vampire be called Vampire '59, after the fashion of the new Belfast.

 

Oh God, please not for steel. PLEASE! :cap_horn: I've BEEN on the Daring-class Vampire; getting her is a no-brainer, and the Australian playerbase will flock to her like bees to honey. Put her behind the steel wall and you will be throwing away a golden opportunity to drain FXP or coal reserves (I would personally prefer coal).

Also... Pan-Asian Akizuki clone. Hmm, now what to do with that binational PA/IJN captain I picked up? :cap_yes: 

Fascinating that her torps are Asashio-style but only 12km. 

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So Conti appears in her as built form. Could be either balanced or the next Viribus Unitis

Marco Polo: UP.-41, and my lord I want to see the AP pen values and SAP Pen, that’s going to be crazy.

Fen Yang: Playerbase: give Akizuki DFAA to fulfill her role as an AA escort. WG: have a Chinese Akizuki that has DFAA, as well as a better smoke, and Yugumo’s torps in deep water flavor. Seriously, if this should not be released as is, Aki gunpower with better toros and smoke, new best T8 DD.
 

Vampire: a Daring that trades 50% torpedo power, REPAIR PARTY, and DPM for crawling smoke, better hydro (standard cruiser hydro) and a speed boost, interesting. There’s potential, but I think Daring looks like the better option right now. Also, seeing Vampire has a Speed boost, does this mean she does not have the RN acceleration, and does her guns have Daring’s auto bounce angles (they should seeing they are the exact same guns)

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RM BB's (all of them): Look fine right now.

Fen Yang: WG: Premium Akizuki with DFAA!

Players: Yay finally!

WG: She's Pan Asian with Asashio torps! Oh and Asashio torps can't hit subs for reasons even though it would make perfect sense for them to be able to hit them if the sub was at that depth. :Smile_trollface:

Players: :fish_palm:

Vampire 2, The Revenge: WG: Premium Daring!

Players: Ohh interesting... name should be Vampire '59 or something.

WG: She's Commonwealth so no RN captain training! :Smile_trollface:

Players: :fish_palm: Seriously...

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Aligheri and Conte de Cavour look great. I was wondering if they were going to use her as -built design or the rebuild but since Cesare is her rebuilt form then there's your answer. U.P. 41 looks fantastic too, excited to pick that one U.P! Also, I 3rd the renaming of Vampire II to Vampire '59.

Also, I know that this has been brought up before but I'll chime in here as well: Give some more consideration to renaming the high tier Italian BBs to something more in line with their naming conventions.

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I love Daring and would love a premium version, but if Haida has shown me anything, it's that Crawling smoke in a DD can be incredibly strong. Especially considering the excellent AP of Daring and the 5km Hydro. 

Dunno if the lack of Repair Party and a tube is enough to counterbalance.

As for Fen Yang, I see the HE penetration isn't mentioned, so I guess it's subject to change. Still, a premium Akizuki with DFAA will attract alot of interest.

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Vampire II.

I’ll get her because I have Vampire I, and because my mother has been to see it while on a cruise. (Same reason I got Belfast, which I did eventually go see myself.)

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look like we can finally play the pool game of

"Marco!!"     

 

 

 

 

"Polo!!!"

 

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36 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

As for Fen Yang, I see the HE penetration isn't mentioned, so I guess it's subject to change. Still, a premium Akizuki with DFAA will attract alot of interest.

Depending on how they handle her consumables (i.e. does she have to choose between TRB and smoke/DFAA, or does she get all three) I can see WG tweaking her HE pen values to reign her in. I’ve always felt that the Akizuki line should have gotten 1/4 pen rather than the 30mm they were given post-IFHE/cruiser armor changes. Such a weapons system would be able to pen destroyers and CLs, and IFHE (or whatever skill will replace it) would allow penetration of CAs and lower tier battleships, but not 32mm. Such a change would characterize Fen Yang as more of a DD hunter and harasser of cruisers with deep water torpedoes to ward off battleships, rather than a smoke camper who can farm every battleship in her MM spread.

Also, she doesn’t have speed boost, which given Akizuki’s poor speed and handling will be a significant handicap.

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RM BBs of this dev blog: 15s DCP 

RM BBs of 1st dev blog: 10s DCP 

 

Also really, Marco Polo as a name? 🤪

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1 hour ago, tfcas119 said:

Vampire: a Daring that trades 50% torpedo power, REPAIR PARTY, and DPM for crawling smoke, better hydro (standard cruiser hydro) and a speed boost, interesting. There’s potential, but I think Daring looks like the better option right now. Also, seeing Vampire has a Speed boost, does this mean she does not have the RN acceleration, and does her guns have Daring’s auto bounce angles (they should seeing they are the exact same guns)

She also has 1000 less hit points without the repair parties.  

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If I must give my thoughts...

Researchable Italian Battleships

Glad to see they kept the Dante and the Cavour in the way that they were originally built. While I am a bit disappointed to see that we will not be getting a Tier III Battleship, it's forgivable for the most part. ( Though I still want to see Cuniberti's Dreadnought in the game )

As for the Lepanto, it's literally an Italian Alsace. I was expecting something different, but I will say that I am not disappointed. However, 76k HP at Tier IX without access to some of the tools that the other ships have, such as the FdG and Pommern having hydro, and the Alsace's maneuverability, is a bit worrying. We'll have to see just how well the armor can hold up to the various forms of punishment thrown at it.

Marco Polo

Happy to see that Wargaming is taking some interest in historical projects. 3 x 3 406 with that kind of SAP damage output looks to be pretty spicy, and with the improved accuracy over the tech tree ships, I imagine that many players will take delight in this ship. The AA looks decent, but it's the concealment that terrifies me. Her base detection radius is 15.3 kilometers, and with the concealment module and skill, it drops to 12 kilometers, which is on par with Lion, but on what I would assume is a much more durable hull, similar to Odin. The only thing that is kind of a quibble is the 69.1k HP pool, which is only slightly higher than the Jean Bart. Again, we'll have to see how the armor looks before passing any judgment.

Fen Yang

Akizuki crossed with Asashio. It's unique, to say the least, but I'm worried that this will just end up being another stale clone, given Wargaming's propensity for ignoring their own choices. 

Vampire II

No quibbles here. Just name her HMAS Vendetta and we'll be all set

-Shrayes 

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1 hour ago, lloyd1701 said:

Fen Yang: WG: Premium Akizuki with DFAA!

Players: Yay finally!

Really? Who's planes you gonna shoot down? If they don't fix carriers and soon, DFAA will be (once again) meaningless. 

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Tier 10 Haida! Ooooooooo, me likey.

Not sure about the trade off, though. Is crawling smoke and speed boost really worth having worse gun dpm, half the torpedo power, and no heal? Unless of course you consider Daring too strong currently and have plans to nerf her. Which, let's be honest, is an entirely real possibility. No other DD competes with her other than maybe Smaland for the radar.

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Finally a ship that I been on in real life a few years back that I can actually get in this game, Vampire II.

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Fen Yeng: No, no, no, no, no, no. An Akizuki clone doesn't need freaking DF AA and I don't say that as a CV player, I say that as someone who owns one. It ate planes before you guys somehow broke AA, it eats them more now that you did, it doesn't need another 50% to damage. 

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Looks pretty good for the most part. I really hope that we see Marco Polo for Coal or FXP, and not Steel or RB. 

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1 hour ago, SkaerKrow said:

Looks pretty good for the most part. I really hope that we see Marco Polo for Coal or FXP, and not Steel or RB. 

it could possibly be the Dockyard ship for the Italian event when they get finished with testing

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I do have a question that I hope the answer is what I hope it will be.

While Conte De Cavour got is natural hull as it should. Will it have a retrofitted hull made in the 1930s? It would be nice to have even though I would not mind having 1 less gun with some better AAA improvements and secondaries. 

At least have it as a little weaker version of Guilio Cesere that I always wanted to get but missed it before I got a job lol.

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2 hours ago, Animeneko56 said:

I do have a question that I hope the answer is what I hope it will be.

While Conte De Cavour got is natural hull as it should. Will it have a retrofitted hull made in the 1930s? It would be nice to have even though I would not mind having 1 less gun with some better AAA improvements and secondaries. 

At least have it as a little weaker version of Guilio Cesere that I always wanted to get but missed it before I got a job lol.

I doubt we will see this in game, as the retrofit not only involved the removal of the amidships turret and its three barrels, but the guns were also rebored to increase the caliber from 305mm to 320mm. These changes, in addition to the extensive changes to the hull itself, means that such a hull upgrade would play very differently and result in essentially a completely different ship. 

If we are ever going to see another post-refit representation of the class in-game, it would most likely be at tier VI and based on the version of Guilio Cesare that was tested (and apparently balanced) by WG last year. If this was to occur, my money would be on her being released under the name Novorossiya as a Soviet premium ship to further differentiate her from the tier V Guilio Cesare and the controversy surrounding WG’s effort to balance her.

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On 10/24/2020 at 3:47 AM, Nevermore135 said:

I doubt we will see this in game, as the retrofit not only involved the removal of the amidships turret and its three barrels, but the guns were also rebored to increase the caliber from 305mm to 320mm. These changes, in addition to the extensive changes to the hull itself, means that such a hull upgrade would play very differently and result in essentially a completely different ship. 

If we are ever going to see another post-refit representation of the class in-game, it would most likely be at tier VI and based on the version of Guilio Cesare that was tested (and apparently balanced) by WG last year. If this was to occur, my money would be on her being released under the name Novorossiya as a Soviet premium ship to further differentiate her from the tier V Guilio Cesare and the controversy surrounding WG’s effort to balance her.

It should be noted however, that originally, ships that completely changed from one hull to another used to exist in the game, Such as the old Nicholas A-hull having 1 extra main battery gun, the Nurnberg C-Hull having 2 less torpedo launchers and the Kirov B-Hull having no aircraft catapult. It seems like WG has been distancing themselves from this as the years have gone by.

AS for that Marco Polo thing, is that really UP41? It doesn't resemble the design at all. UP41 didn't have the miniturrets that thing has.

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1 hour ago, Ortheki said:

It should be noted however, that originally, ships that completely changed from one hull to another used to exist in the game, Such as the old Nicholas A-hull having 1 extra main battery gun, the Nurnberg C-Hull having 2 less torpedo launchers and the Kirov B-Hull having no aircraft catapult. It seems like WG has been distancing themselves from this as the years have gone by.

While this is true (there is also the case of the old A-hull Furutaka with her 6x1 203mm guns in the original “pyramid” configuration), there is the fact that the refit of the class involved substantial modifications of the hull form itself, involving grafting on an entirely new bow (the source of GC’s internal “beak” armor in her bow), complete replacement of the propulsion system to bring their speed from 21 to 27+ knots, the compete removal of the amidships turret, among other changes. I believe I remember reading somewhere that less than half of the ships’ original structure remained after the refits, and that they were initially mistaken for entirely new battleships. The examples you cited involving removal of a 127mm gun turret on a DD or removing some deck-mounted torpedo launchers are very minor in comparison, and the ships’ handling and general play characteristics were largely the same. The “hull” module was different, but the actual hull of the ship was largely unchanged. That would not be the case with Conte De Cavour.

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On 10/22/2020 at 2:22 PM, Herr_Reitz said:

Really? Who's planes you gonna shoot down? If they don't fix carriers and soon, DFAA will be (once again) meaningless. 

Hey

Just like the AA gun Module that used to get taken on many ships.  All for the sake of the CV rework; just like manual fire AA, your AFT 20% AA range increase, loss of 10% concealment.  Thanks Wargaming.


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