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Abandoning the field of battle.

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In random battles I find my destroyer alone many times nearing the end of the game, with enemy players still on the battlefield. I say alone because the other  group players have ALL decided to go after the enemy aircraft carrier.  So there I am twisting and turning and standing on my head trying to prevent the few enemy left from going after our aircraft carrier while the other members of the group are off blowing the living daylights out of the carrier. Of course I get hammered. Am I the only one with sour grapes to eat or does this happen to other destroyers?  

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This is simply because CV are spawn of satan and must die. You have chosen satan, your DD must die as well.

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Carriers is the prize. Everything else is [edited].

We sunk one the other day in CB. It did have a Zao loving on it and killed me in the end.

The last time we did carriers in random we were up against three CV's and three of us DD's formed a wolfpack and went to work. This was in Epiccenter. This was back when we were learning about the op german rocket planes. And eventually in a few minutes those carriers were out of existence. Sunk. Then it was time to go back and disinfect the center of Epiccenter of all those ships.

 

Victory was not possible and defeat certain until those CV's were sunk. Its the way it is. Without CV's in game we play normally and its fun actually whatever mode it is.

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1 hour ago, lallave said:

In random battles I find my destroyer alone many times nearing the end of the game, with enemy players still on the battlefield. I say alone because the other  group players have ALL decided to go after the enemy aircraft carrier.  So there I am twisting and turning and standing on my head trying to prevent the few enemy left from going after our aircraft carrier while the other members of the group are off blowing the living daylights out of the carrier. Of course I get hammered. Am I the only one with sour grapes to eat or does this happen to other destroyers?  

While everybody is going for each other's prospective CVs...get the caps.

Your CV player's CV has engines of it's own & is perfectly capable of running away & then sending planes after it's antagonists.

Not saying spamming some torps at the front line ships heading for it would be out of line but if both CVs are deleted (or even if neither is) it's best to be on the side w/the most caps at the end of a battle.

Thinking having your whole team chasing their CV is gonna keep it pretty busy using it's planes to try to thwart them so the caps should all be freebies...play the objectives & let your CV learn a valuable lesson about just sitting in 1 place instead of strategically moving around between sending out each squadron if necessary.

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You need to position better. Sometimes it's better to leave a flank that is fleeing (camping/ hiding bb) so they are forced to fight.

The longer you prop up one side, the worse it will get as the potatoes on your team (on the other flank) won't care and will overextend, lose.

 

That's how most games are lost, a solitary cruiser tanks for 10 minutes, dies and then the rest of your team is so far north the game is over.

 

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So let them chase the carrier all they want.

YOU should be sneaking around, stealing all their caps.

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8 hours ago, lallave said:

In random battles I find my destroyer alone many times nearing the end of the game, with enemy players still on the battlefield. I say alone because the other  group players have ALL decided to go after the enemy aircraft carrier.  So there I am twisting and turning and standing on my head trying to prevent the few enemy left from going after our aircraft carrier while the other members of the group are off blowing the living daylights out of the carrier. Of course I get hammered. Am I the only one with sour grapes to eat or does this happen to other destroyers?  

It is not uncommon that the team leaves you to CV escort while the angry teammates have a word with red's CV. At least you can't be called to testify if it's later called a war crime.😏

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8 hours ago, Fifi_Macaffee said:

This is simply because CV are spawn of satan and must die. You have chosen satan, your DD must die as well.

Uh, this too I am afraid. If you hang with a CV, everyone, including your team, will think you have sided with the Dark One.

To be honest, being in allegiance to a CV player has no perks in game. But at least we have the best parties.

You will never find a hotty that is an angel at CV parties. Every last one of them is bad. Really, really, bad and Nawty. 😏🦇

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7 hours ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

While everybody is going for each other's prospective CVs...get the caps.

Your CV player's CV has engines of it's own & is perfectly capable of running away & then sending planes after it's antagonists.

Not saying spamming some torps at the front line ships heading for it would be out of line but if both CVs are deleted (or even if neither is) it's best to be on the side w/the most caps at the end of a battle.

Thinking having your whole team chasing their CV is gonna keep it pretty busy using it's planes to try to thwart them so the caps should all be freebies...play the objectives & let your CV learn a valuable lesson about just sitting in 1 place instead of strategically moving around between sending out each squadron if necessary.

This^^^^^

I had a whole red team of 4 DDs chase me. I spotted for the team as they took caps and sunk the bigger botes.

I eventually died, maybe got two, but the boneheaded thing is none of those DDs capped anything.

I had another situation where it was cruisers and BBs. Similar thing, I spotted got a couple, but I dragged them across and away from caps. My team grabbed caps and won the match.

In both scenarios, if you get them to chase and you run, you are giving your team one hell of a boost.

Especially if you spot rather than defend yourself. As most CVs running are hard to hit with guns. If I have a speed flag, it's you that are being taken for a ride in the country.

A CV can win matches by just being the bait to some angry players. And CV players often do it by hitting each member of red once. This is to see who gets triggered. Finding the player that loses it,  is part of strategy. And your team benefits from active spotting. 

Of course, now that you know this, you might warn your team mates the possibility that they might be lured away.

Misdirection and deception are elements of sound combat tactics.

Yes, most CV players think this way.

Just bear in mind that only most. The trick is knowing who thinks this way. 😏

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Chasing a CV with an IJN DD is a waste. They usually are as fast as you are, you waste time turning to launch torps and they are easy to dodge. 

If the team leaves the CV exposed I will try to cover it, and the base, no matter which class of ship I am in. Playing PvE. 

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9 hours ago, Fifi_Macaffee said:

This is simply because CV are spawn of satan and must die. You have chosen satan, your DD must die as well.

Tis written: Lay with swine, and thou shalt be slaughtered as swine. :cap_like:

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"Abandoning the field of battle" is a misrepresentation. They're fighting a different battle in a different area of the map.

I completely agree with you that all too often, the battle the rest of your team chooses to fight can be questionable at best.

Every now and then, though, I'll have one of those games where I'm left to die at the hands of half the enemy team only to find that my team has actually used the opportunity to cap everything and clean up on the other side, and we're well ahead on points and ships.

Compare the oft-quoted case of Grouchy not supporting Napoleon at Waterloo, which I just found out is not as clear-cut as it appears to be. What your team-mates choose to do sometimes makes a lot of sense in their own minds in the context of the information available to them and the situation they're in, even if it doesn't gel in yours. The problem is that we don't get together to talk about our Random Battles afterwards, so the question "What the $%^&* hell did you think you were doing?" almost never gets answered.

(Occasionally it does, and the my opinion has sometimes been served back as "Okay, I still think you were wrong but I can see why you did it.")

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1 hour ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

What your team-mates choose to do sometimes makes a lot of sense in their own minds in the context of the information available to them and the situation they're in, even if it doesn't gel in yours.

And then you have the fact that in many, many cases the people who are sitting back going "wth are you doing" have less knowledge of the game in the first place and wouldn't recognize the tactical significance of other people's actions anyway- 

Example: The OP talking about random battles. 

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10 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Every now and then, though, I'll have one of those games where I'm left to die at the hands of half the enemy team only to find that my team has actually used the opportunity to cap everything and clean up on the other side, and we're well ahead on points and ships.

Yes those games are nice and worth a mention.   Especially because they are in such a stark contrast to the games where you fight hard and loose a flank only to see the other side had crumpled too.     Most recently on sunday morning  I had a game like that.  I was burning ships in a retreat action in my Hindenburg ( My new favourite). We had faced overwhelming odds  due to enemies being up a ship and a couple of our  being deleted early on.  Still managed to generate 180k damage and take down 2 ships myself.  However in the end I too was crushed.  Towards the end of that I was concentrating very hard on timing multiple enemy BB AP volleys with my wasding and was only looking at the minimap for enemy positions in relation to me.   

But then after death  when I "looked up " at the rest of the map  I saw my fleet steaming through the middle with both other caps secured and up by 3 ships and perfectly spread out to the north and south .  That was a real pleasure. 

 

23 minutes ago, _ENO_ said:

the people who are sitting back going "wth are you doing" have less knowledge of the game in the first place and wouldn't recognize the tactical significance of other people's actions anyway- 

Haha had that on Sunday too. Tears of the Desert Map, thankfully not the Epicenter mode but  the mode with just 1 cap each. Right hand side of map was my flank. Friendlies on my flank were 2 des Moines, a Gearing and 2 BBS  that were all sitting behind the same island (yes the gearing constantly went behind the island too because of radar pressure.  I went out wide with the Hindenburg and a Des Moines in the potato pile kept spamming me to "get back" even though I was the  only ship doing any spotting and forcing the enemy back. 

 

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1 hour ago, DrHolmes52 said:

If you have ever seen the movie UP, CVs are the squirrel.

If you've ever read Frank Herbert's "Dune", compare Jamis: "...would not make a good leader; too much ghafla, the distraction."

It never featured in the theatrical cut of David Lynch's film, but it's worth reading the book for because Jamis demonstrates a couple of other personality traits you sometimes see in WOWS players.

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When Paul and Jessica first meet the Fremen in the desert, there's a misunderstanding and they think at first they're in danger. Paul sucker-punches Jamis and drops him and Jamis feels hard done by, accusing Paul of "witchcraft" because his mother is a Bene Gesserit adept. So he can't take losing to someone he thinks he should have beaten, and chooses to sort it out by challenging Paul to single combat to the death. That's when he finds out the hard way that yes, Paul really is that good.

 

Compare "It was carriers! It was the enemy unicum div! It was Russian Bias Cruisers!" or any other excuse someone chooses to find outside of their own and their team's inadequacies.

 

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