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We should have some ship Raspberry awards for the ships that are the most frustrating, miserable, under-powered, over nerfed experiences in the game.  May be tech tree or premium but bad premiums should get bonus points for having to pay for the bad experience.

 

Tier 1 - No awards.... they are all mostly the same....most balanced tier in the game.

Tier 2-4 - haven't played recently enough to know...  I'll leave this blank to be filled in by a soulless seal predator.

Tier 5 - While may vote Emerald, actually a well played Emerald can be a humbling sight.  My vote would have to go to Hawkins.  A ship that sets the tone for the rest of the RN CA Line for having citadel that's sometimes larger than the actual ship, guns that make you feel like they were meant for the Mayflower, and speed that makes sure you never forget about the first two.  The heal function only serves to prolong the misery.

Tier 6 - This is one of those odd tiers where there really isn't any out and out stinkers... but if we pick one... Queen Elizabeth is a bit dreary to play... only 8 guns and pretty darn inaccurate at that and unlike much of the rest of the RN BB line the HE does not give anything special to fall back on.... Honorable mention to Gaede for having crap concealment but less gun power compared to other high concealment gun DDs like Farragut.

Tier 7 - Tight horse race here... where either of these boats would be fine at Tier 6, but when facing Tier 9 ships it usually turns out like you would expect when a South West Carolina Tech faces Alabama in football... punting early is actually a good play.  Both New Orleans and Zara fit the analogy here.  Since NO gets decent AP and improved angles, I gotta give the nod to Zara due to it's outstanding DPM deficit at the tier.

Tier 8 - Now here's where it gets good... so many awful ships at this tier.  Both RN CVs deserves mention, but Albemarle and Cheshire are just too bad to be beat.  Here's where premium bonus points come into play.... The steaming pile of poo known as Cheshire can now be yours in an extra special package deal for a cool C note.... A deal that will likely never be beat ... as the worst value ever.  WG could pay me $100 to play the Cheshire 100 times and I'd still have to pass.

Tier 9 - I had some thoughts about the Z23 as a poster child for power creep, but at the end of the day I have the vote the Neptune in for it ability to eat cits from any angle.  If Flipper had a Glock 9mm strapped to his dorsal fin....  bam....citadel.

Tier 10 - And after much careful thought... (ok ok, not really) arguably the most overnerfed ship in the game .... the Khaba, for being a significantly worse ship than the Trashcan before it and for having less range than a Tier 6 Farragut.  WG, could easily make this ship decent to play again....but WG will be WG and it's likely replacement, the R-10, is in development, and will probably be released in the record time that Siegfried was.

Honorable mention to HIV (ship...not the disease) for having acceleration best measured with an hourglass.

I will be curious to see all you guys come up with in your lists.... hopefully we can distill it all into a community list at some point.

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9 minutes ago, YouSatInGum said:

Tier 9 - I had some thoughts about the Z23 as a poster child for power creep, but at the end of the day I have the vote the Neptune in for it ability to eat cits from any angle.  If Flipper had a Glock 9mm strapped to his dorsal fin....  bam....citadel.

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Here is my list but please remember before you bring out the downvote hammers that it is an opinion list/topic. 

So IMHO... 

  • T1-T2 are pretty much the same thing just different nation.
  • T3 = Kawachi. Might be worst ship in the entire game but definitely makes top 3? Just an awful experience playing it. Thank god at T3 it doesn't take much to move on.
  • T4 = Danae. People hate on Emerald, which I actually like, but this ship just sucks so bad. Honorable mention to Myogi.
  • T5 = Mutsuki. Just 2 guns and ridiculously bad torpedo detection. Hated playing it. Honorable mention to Kirov, Mikoyan, and Genova.
  • T6 = Queen Elizabeth or Pensacola. Toss up as to which is worse. Both are turds. Honorable mention to Huang He.
  • T7 = Pretty decent tier for all ships. The stand out hot mess to me is Gorizia. And while many will disagree, and it has a good rep, have to give a shout out to Nagato as an extremely meh ship that is vastly overrated.
  • T8 = Indomitable gets the nod no question at T8. Just barely behind (BARELY) at T8 is Roma. It is the only premium I regret buying. Hate it. Monarch gets Honorable mention. 
  • T9 = Izumo/Bajie. Just absolutely hate these 2. Honorable mention for stink barges at T9 are Azuma, Kronshtadt, Lion, and Friesland (yes Friesland) 
  • T10 = Audacious. Overall I find T10's to all be pretty good but Audacious is just so bad it stands out to me as the worst of the tier with no other ship even close. 

Just remember this is opinion only and not based on stats for all players and such. 

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9 minutes ago, AdmiralThunder said:

stink barges

That was just amazing.  I laughed so hard that I ran out of laugh and started to wail.  Bravo AT! :Smile_teethhappy:

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  1. t3: Taranto
  2. t4: Myogi
  3. t5: Mikoyan
  4. t6: Queen Elizabeth
  5. t7: Indianapolis (not really a bad ship, but it has been severely left in the dust by power creep.)
  6. t8: Although some are better/worse, none of these stands out as horrible to me.
  7. t9: Izumo
  8. t10:  no entry
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1 hour ago, YouSatInGum said:

Tier 9 - I had some thoughts about the Z23 as a poster child for power creep, but at the end of the day I have the vote the Neptune in for it ability to eat cits from any angle.  If Flipper had a Glock 9mm strapped to his dorsal fin....  bam....citadel.

I was in my Neptune years ago when someone nailed me for 9 citadels in one salvo causing my bote to blow up, and my head to explode after an instantaneous self inflicted melt down.

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14 minutes ago, Duma said:

That was just amazing.  I laughed so hard that I ran out of laugh and started to wail.  Bravo AT! :Smile_teethhappy:

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Tier-4 Japanese Battleship Myogi.  Just underwhelming, especially in Co-op.
Tier-5 USN Battleship New York.  Slow speed, squishy sides and underwhelming guns.  I sold the one in my port a long time ago and haven't looked back.

Every USN Cruiser not equipped with torpedoes.  I'll pass on spending credits to have them in my port.

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I like raspberries. They are great dipped in dark chocolate & served with vanilla ice cream.

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1 hour ago, AdmiralThunder said:

Azuma,

Is it so damn difficult for Wargaming to understand that this ship needs a secondary-range upgrade?!  This thing is SUPPOSE to be a mini-Yamato, ergo, why doesn't this have Yamato secondary range??  It truly is a one trick pony; you get blindsided, there is nothing you can do, especially if you miss with that 20s reload.  Long sized, Non-smoke, Non-speedy, Non-AA, 25mm bow/aft cruisers don't do well at T9 (see Ibuki for example).

Was this the original Florida, lol? :Smile_veryhappy:  Sounds like it.

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Strongly disagree with the selection of QE at T6. The has very nice guns that hit hard, decent AA for the tier. It is a solid ship imo.

At T5 I'll pick to play Hawkins over Emerald any day, doing significant damage with Emerald is so damn hard. At least Hawkins can stack fires.

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1 hour ago, AdmiralThunder said:
  • T5 = Mutsuki. Just 2 guns and ridiculously bad torpedo detection. Hated playing it. Honorable mention to Kirov, Mikoyan, and Genova.
  • T6 = Queen Elizabeth or Pensacola. Toss up as to which is worse. Both are turds. Honorable mention to Huang He.
  • T7 = Pretty decent tier for all ships. The stand out hot mess to me is Gorizia. And while many will disagree, and it has a good rep, have to give a shout out to Nagato as an extremely meh ship that is vastly overrated.
  • T8 = Indomitable gets the nod no question at T8. Just barely behind (BARELY) at T8 is Roma. It is the only premium I regret buying. Hate it. Monarch gets Honorable mention. 
  • T9 = Izumo/Bajie. Just absolutely hate these 2. Honorable mention for stink barges at T9 are Azuma, Kronshtadt, Lion, and Friesland (yes Friesland) 
  • T10 = Audacious. Overall I find T10's to all be pretty good but Audacious is just so bad it stands out to me as the worst of the tier with no other ship even close. 

OK, here is IMHO:

- I don't play much T1-T4 to give any opinion, but I recall the Wyoming and St. Louis as 2 ships I did enjoy having.....

T5 - Mikoyan and Genova and the Monticello (or whatever that spelling is

T6 - Budyonny

T7 - Gorizia is meh.  Decent guns but NO torps are a killer.  Schors  (Not picking on the Russian CA line but I totally didn't enjoy it at all until T9).

T8 - I like the Roma, and glad I got her.  For me, and the award for worst ship to play above T5, is the Monarch.  Every XP point to get to the Lion was an eternity of agony.

T9 - Anything pretty much in the CA / CL ship class :)  I may have been to anxious to get to the T10s for many, but Ibuki and Seattle were just the bottom for me and I did not like the gun layout on the Roon (otherwise she is a decent ship).  Ibuki just ate cits and the Seattle was a damage sponge unlike the Cleveland and even the Worc.

T10 - I don't have a bad ship at T10.  I am struggling to learn some of the play styles (Republique for example), but I got a niche for all of my T10s.  Even the Goliath has a purpose - when I have a pot dam mission for cruisers, I bring out the Goliath (like tomorrow with the 4th directive).

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2 hours ago, YouSatInGum said:

Tier 6 - This is one of those odd tiers where there really isn't any out and out stinkers...

Your wrong.  It's a tie between Molotov and Duca d'Aosta.  While I love the Molotov to death, that ship is so rough because it's a Kirov at T6.  Bud. at least has a beefier side wall at T6.  Kirov does not and so too is Molotov.  Duca has a rap sheet as long as my arm in shittyness, so I change my mind, it ranks just a bit higher.

Btw, I don't care what both ships say on paper (what they do), but it has almost everything to do with experience on the field. 

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T1: they are all all equal and and only the absolute perverts (the ones you see with 10k+ plus games at T1) can really tell the difference
T2: Been so long since I've played this tier, but remember Chester being absolute garbage
T3: Kawachi, Kolberg, premium Varag
T4: Danae
T5: Tech tree: Emerald, Hawkins trade which is worse (Emerald wins next patch when Hawkins gets yet another reload buff). Premium: Sirocco, Mikoyan)
T6: Interestingly, there really are no absolute lemons here. though I hated Hatsu and QE, and Vasteras feels like a discount T-61 (then again, most T6 DDs feel like a discount T-61)
T7: Tech Tree: Hated Shira, but might be more i hate DDs that rely more on torps than guns. Also Colorado. Premium: Yudachi (why would you want a worse Shira?) Duke of York (why trade DPM for a hydro?) Hood (from a gameplay perspective, feels almost unnecessary seeing Warspite, Nelson, and Thunderer are better for less money)
T8: Tech Tree: Albemarle (if you've played one or shot at one, no explanation needed) Ognevoi (though having a heal and 90sec reload on 10 torps is nice, everything else... eh) Premium: Roma (if the guns give you the finger) Cheshire (see Albemarle, but add worse firepower on top) Alabama (Massa, Georgia, and Ohio made her almost redundant) 
T9: Tech Tree: Neptune (see Albemarle) Drake (poor firing angles on guns and torps on a big citadel, what can possibly go wrong) Ibuki (see Albemarle) Premium: Azuma (for at least because Yoshino exists, at most because she's just nothing but citadel and dev strike compilation fodder)
T10: Tech Tree: Yueyang (hammered just because she was OP in one game mode because of one consumable she could run) Premium: None of the T10 premiums are really lemons, unless Kitakami gets released.

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3 hours ago, YouSatInGum said:

but Albemarle and Cheshire are just too bad to be beat.  Here's where premium bonus points come into play.... The steaming pile of poo known as Cheshire can now be yours in an extra special package deal for a cool C note.... A deal that will likely never be beat ... as the worst value ever.  WG could pay me $100 to play the Cheshire 100 times and I'd still have to pass.

I'm going to have to disagree there.  The Cheshire is objectively a better ship than the Hipper.  Noticeably better concealment, better HE DPM, better fire starting *and* it has a super heal on top which gives it a theoretical 60k extra HP to work with.  The Hipper's better armor isn't enough to compensate for having 1.6km worse concealment and less than half the potential HP pool, while the Hipper's better AP alpha and DPM is severely hindered by poor penetration.

 

The Hipper is just the lowest hanging fruit, but I'd even go so far as to say the Cheshire is actually a decent overall ship if you know how to play it.  

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2 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

T3 = Kawachi. Might be worst ship in the entire game but definitely makes top 3? Just an awful experience playing it. Thank god at T3 it doesn't take much to move on.

YES! (On everything said here.)

3 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

T5 = Mutsuki. Just 2 guns and ridiculously bad torpedo detection. Hated playing it.

GOD YES! There are many, many reasons this ship is nicknamed "MOST SUCKY".

3 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

T6 = Queen Elizabeth

I agree, and didn't do well with this ship, but always thought it was more me than the ship. Just couldn't make it work ... ever.

3 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

T9 = Izumo/Bajie. Just absolutely hate these 2.

Never played Bajie, but I LIKE Izumo. Don't get me wrong; I don't play her worth a damn, but I do like her.

Really, there are no "BAD" ships, just bad match-ups between ships and Captains. It's not the ship, it's the Captain, because SOMEONE has done well in every ship on every list here.

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T1. Black Swan got nerfed hard and is but a shadow of the former fightinest ship here, but if I had to choose it would be Erie. Just such a huge, slow target.

T2. Chester, Chikuma, and Novik are all pretty dire, but I find Novik the worst.

T3. Turenne, by a country mile. Hate the bloody thing.

T4. Myogi stock is bad, but in her final form she's okay, so I have to say Wyoming instead because of the terrible dispersion.

T5. Mikoyan, easy. Too over-specialised.

T6. This is tough for me because I like all the silver ships at this tier, especially in Operations. Picking on Monaghan just because she's a worse Farragut.

T7. Again I quite like most of the ships at Tier 7, but Skane took me longest to like.

T8. Albemarle. Could have been a great line, like the Russian CAs that followed them.

T9. I'm sure there are many to choose from. Yes, Azuma is over-specialised as well, but for silver ships I'm most tempted to skip past Friedrich der Große. Awful gunnery.

T10. I'm quite happy with all of mine, but nervous for Vermont and Plymouth.

Anyway, second @Umikami above: captains are bad, ships are neutral.

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1 hour ago, kyesac said:

OK, here is IMHO:

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T8 - I like the Roma, and glad I got her.  For me, and the award for worst ship to play above T5, is the Monarch.  Every XP point to get to the Lion was an eternity of agony.

  Absolutely, 100% agree...    The first 10 or so games were pretty good- but that was a fluke.    After that, it was embrace the suck...   Just boring,  and ineffective.

  At tier 8 it has competition from The French tier 8 CA.   I know, I know...   But for sheer  GAAAHHHH NOT EFFING AGAIN!!!!!  when a stray salvo lasers into that citadel button under the B turret, and you're dead  before your guns reload for a second salvo;  This thing takes the cake!    The fact that it's an offensive juggernaut- just like all the other Frenchie cruisers- and can turn in some truly impressive games is just salt in the wound.   If it can't #$%&ing stay alive- who cares?    

  Since several of you have added the T9 RN CL to this list for the same reason as above-  Gee, I guess I have that to look forward to...

Tier 1.   all of them.   If you were around, and played them before WG gelded them all, you'll understand.   We all have our favorites- mine are Bougainville; Cheng An; and the new Polish one- but boy do they suck compared to what they were.   (or could be, in the case of those introduced after the mass castration)

Tier 2.  Not really any stank monsters here, but the French cruiser is pretty lame, from what I recall.   As are the shell arcs on the RN and Soviet ships.

Tier 3:  Kawachi.   And it has ALWAYS stunk.  even when it and South Carolina were the only 2 options.    The disappointing shart award  goes to the new EU DD.  This thing just sucks...   Stupid gun arrangement,  torps that hit like marshmallows, is it actually good at anything?     Both the RN and French BB's are utterly forgettable as well.

  bonus premium: Campbelltown.    Take a Wickes,  remove half of it's armament,  call it British- and sell it in the premium shop.    Just play the actual Wickes- for free.

Tier 4.  Myogi.   Granted,  I ground through it years ago- but that gun arrangement just blows on a BB.  Especially in Co-op.   I sold mine as soon as I got Kongo.   None that I've seen or fought against since has changed my impression of it.    All in all, a fairly decent group of ships at this tier.

 bonus premium:  Itchy Scratchy.  More like a power crept fart in the wind than a true stink bomb.   Just no fun to play.

Tier 5.  KIROV.    A poorly timed sneeze from an engine crew member will blow out it's citadel.   A seagull pooping on it will remove half it's health...  You get the idea.  Dishonorable mention goes to Emerald for being just as squishy- and having 152mm AP only guns that struggle to do any damage to anything other than ships like Kirov, Hawkins Emerald and Omaha.   Having smoke, a heal, and useable torpedoes  elevates it above Kirov.    Hawkins is right up there, too.   Not only is it squishy, but the outdated turret arrangement makes it even MORE squishy, trying to get your armament in play.   Being fairly slow and clumsy doesn't help at all.

   I wouldn't call NY a bad ship- just powercrept into uselessness...

  Premium:  Whatever that godawful Italian CL is called.

Tier 6.   Queen Elizabeth  and Bayern.    2 of the most boring BB's I ve ever played.   Slow everything and horrible accuracy.     That's all I got- this is a pretty good tier for me.  Almost forgot Gnevny- and it's PA sidekick.   I just hated grinding through this thing twice.   There are much better DD options at this tier.

Premium:  That Kirov with bigger guns thing.   Now you can die early and often with bigger guns!

Tier 7.   Can't really think of any- they're all pretty decent.    Nerfing Colorado was WAY uncool though.   It's hurting enough in the current meta.

tier 8.  Monarch.   Just a crappy ship- boring and ineffective to play- and it's a long grind to get through it.   Other than that, I didn't really hate any of them.    Richie was kind of a pain in the [edited]- mostly because it's so damn big, and gets lots of maps with a boatload of islands to ram, trying to keep those bow only guns pointed at the reds.   It's actually a pretty good ship- it just handles like a hulking teenager just out of a growth spurt, lol.   (and the forward only gun arrangement is less than ideal for the close in brawling meta in co-op)      Dishonorable mention goes to Schors.   Would somebody PLEASE explain to the Soviet navy how to put armor on a light cruiser???   Buddyony was great,  the tier 7 was do-able.  Grinding the same ship for the third time time a row- now in tier 8 MM-  sux moose nards.    Just another paper tiger that sinks if someone so much as glares at it.

Tier 9.  None so far.   Roon was fairly annoying, due to the silly gun arrangement, but not bad.   I actually liked Seattle!

Premium.  Azuma.   A giant shell magnet, made out of citadels.   With a rather unimpressive armament.    To be fair, it IS competing with Alaska.

tier 10.  None so far.     Thunderer has been pretty underwhelming- but that's to be expected from a long range HE spammer in current Co-op games.

 

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T4: Orion never clicked with me. Often times I thought to myself that i'd rather be playing a different BB.

T5: Bretagne, for the same reason.

T6: I don't think there is a single T6 I do not like. All of them are wonderful in their own way to me. That said New Mexico did give me some trouble when getting by her. 

T7: For the longest time I never liked Colorado.  It was not until my grind nearly came to its end when I began to appreciate her more. Its because of Colorado and New Mexico that I like California. 

T8: I like Graf Zepplin, but I haven't had much success over the course of the rework. Often times I feel its less that the ship is underpowered and more of me just not prioritizing properly. 

T9: No opinion.

T10: No opinion.  

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t1: mnah, they're all mostly the same, but my favorites are Orlan, Hermelin, and Eritrea

T2: I get the impression that most t2 ships are roughly the same, but all of the t2 cruisers i've played are just... disappointing

T3: all the battleships are slow, and take too much time to accelerate and turn. kolberg was disappointing. Wickes was fun. 

T4: stock phoenix is just utter crap, when you full upgrade her, she's decent, but basically a floating citadel like Omaha. Ishizuchi, i don't have it but u

can citadel it so easy lol. Wyoming and Clemson were godly.

T5: Omaha ugh i hate this thing, can citadel it from any direction lol. thickest armor is 76mm on that thing. torture to play as, so fun to see them on

the enemy team.  premium marblehead is just a clone of this. New york... 2 less guns than wyoming and when full upgraded is only a bit faster than

stock wyoming. Konigsberg was very, very fun

t6: pensacola, floating cloud of fart gas. sure, it has 8 inch guns, but it has CL armor and is very boring to play. Nurnberg and New Mexico were

fun.

t7-t10 don't have any except for a rental of Leningrad which i like so yeah

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23 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

Just barely behind (BARELY) at T8 is Roma. It is the only premium I regret buying. Hate it.

What about some of the low tier ships? heard some bad stuff about albany...

 

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On 10/18/2020 at 2:47 PM, AdmiralThunder said:

stink barges

lol, i'm gonna remember this one for a while:Smile_teethhappy::Smile_teethhappy::Smile_teethhappy:

 

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T4: Karlsruhe. I know it got buffed somewhat at some point, but before that? Well, it is the only T4 ship I have ever FXPed past after 3 games....

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