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There are now more CVs in q than battleships things have gone to hell and i think its gona get worse..

 

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10 minutes ago, ole_seabee said:

There are now more CVs in q than battleships things have gone to hell and i think its gona get worse..

You're right. Wait till these new Japanese hermaphrodites get here.

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http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200829/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200905/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200912/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201003/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201010/na_week/average_class.html

 

The number of carrier players is down in the past 5 weeks from 1479 to 1312 in high tiers, and 1837 to 1414 in low tiers. A decrease of 12% and 23% respectively. High CV queue count does not indicate a high amount of carrier players, because CVs are match-limited compared to the other classes. The other queues will drain much faster than the CVs ever will.

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12 minutes ago, Compassghost said:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200829/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200905/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200912/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201003/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201010/na_week/average_class.html

 

The number of carrier players is down in the past 5 weeks from 1479 to 1312 in high tiers, and 1837 to 1414 in low tiers. A decrease of 12% and 23% respectively. High CV queue count does not indicate a high amount of carrier players, because CVs are match-limited compared to the other classes. The other queues will drain much faster than the CVs ever will.

Stats, reasoning, and sourcing.  Well done, a breath of fresh air.   

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10 minutes ago, Compassghost said:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200829/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200905/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200912/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201003/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201010/na_week/average_class.html

 

The number of carrier players is down in the past 5 weeks from 1479 to 1312 in high tiers, and 1837 to 1414 in low tiers. A decrease of 12% and 23% respectively. High CV queue count does not indicate a high amount of carrier players, because CVs are match-limited compared to the other classes. The other queues will drain much faster than the CVs ever will.

^^^ :cap_like:

28 minutes ago, ole_seabee said:

There are now more CVs in q than battleships things have gone to hell and i think its gona get worse..

 

 

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26 minutes ago, ole_seabee said:

There are now more CVs in q than battleships things have gone to hell and i think its gona get worse..

 

I saw that today trying to play a T8 CV, not used to that. 

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30 minutes ago, ole_seabee said:

There are now more CVs in q than battleships things have gone to hell and i think its gona get worse..

 

Isn't that because CV's are limited to 2 per side, 4 per match, where the other classes are effectively unlimited? I feel that CV players are staying longer in the queues because they're selected by mm more slowly. 

EG: 10 BBs in the queue can be selected to go into one match. 10 CVs have to squeeze into 3 matches.

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Ok, I can’t take this guy anymore. Enjoy the ignore list. 

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10 minutes ago, capncrunch21 said:

Hey, at least they are real ships that actually existed...unlike most Soviet vessels (power fantasies) WG has put at the top of the power curve.

I watched a documentary about a Japanese WWII supercarrier recently. An interesting quote from it was "unlike the smaller Yamato and Musashi..." The carrier was built in such secrecy that only a couple photos exist of it. It left port and was almost immediately sunk by a US submarine.

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9 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

I watched a documentary about a Japanese WWII supercarrier recently. An interesting quote from it was "unlike the smaller Yamato and Musashi..." The carrier was built in such secrecy that only a couple photos exist of it. It left port and was almost immediately sunk by a US submarine.

That's the Shinano. The third of the Yamato-class battleships -  it got converted to an aircraft carrier...but by then Japan didn't have any pilots left (other than rookie Kamikazes). So it got designated as a 'support carrier'. :cap_book:

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12 hours ago, SkaerKrow said:

Ok, I can’t take this guy anymore. Enjoy the ignore list. 

I've never understood why people feel the need to announce to the world that they've ignored someone. I mean, if you're hoping for a reaction from the person you've ignored you'll never know because you've ignored them, which kinda defeats the purpose of telling them you've ignored them. Or maybe it's to somehow teach them a lesson and not do what has upset you, but you'll never know that because... well you've ignored them.

More likely you haven't ignored them.

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10 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

I watched a documentary about a Japanese WWII supercarrier recently. An interesting quote from it was "unlike the smaller Yamato and Musashi..." The carrier was built in such secrecy that only a couple photos exist of it. It left port and was almost immediately sunk by a US submarine.

Shinano.

Originally she was being built as the 3rd of the Yamato-class Battleships.  But 1942 was very bad for IJN Carriers and that forced an emergency for the IJN to get more flight decks:

- Sacrificing much needed Destroyer construction -> Resources towards Carriers.

- Keep pushing the Unryu-class Carriers (3 would be completed).

- Keep pushing construction of Armored CV Taiho.  She had no sister ships.

- 1920s-era Ise-class Battleships getting the hybrid treatment.

- Shinano changed during construction to become a Carrier instead.

 

Taiho was real and entered service.  The only IJN CV that entered service during the war and had an actual air group, fighting as a Carrier.

Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Taiho_02.jpg

But her first combat sortie was a complete disaster, like Bismarck levels of bad.

 

Shinano herself was a disaster also.

2560px-Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Shinano

The US just won a big victory at the Battle of the Philippine Sea (where Taiho and Shokaku were sunk).  Japan had never recovered from Midway, so this became an unmitigated disaster.  With those islands secured with that battle, the US would start launching long range land based bombers against mainland Japan.  The IJN ordered Shinano's builders at Yokosuka to "hurry the f--k up" and quality of workmanship declined.  They also could not finish her in time.

 

The story goes that an American reconnaissance plane flew over.  There was a sudden fear of a heavy bomber attack to sink Shinano, now that the Americans knew.  The "jig was up."  The Japanese finished her enough to do sea trials but she was never completed, much less received her own air group.  The IJN wanted to move her to safer Kure.

"the Navy General Staff ordered Shinano to depart for Kure by no later than 28 November, where the remainder of her fitting-out would take place. Captain Abe asked for a delay in the sailing date as the majority of her watertight doors had yet to be installed, the compartment air tests had not been conducted, and many holes in the compartment bulkheads for electrical cables, ventilation ducts and pipes had not been sealed. Importantly, fire mains and bailing systems lacked pumps and were inoperable; even though most of the crew had sea-going experience, they lacked training in the portable pumps on board. The escorting destroyers, Isokaze, Yukikaze and Hamakaze, had just returned from the Battle of Leyte Gulf and required more than three days to conduct repairs and to allow their crews to recuperate." (Wikipedia source)

 

The end result was Shinano being sent to sea and got picked off by American Balao-class submarine Archerfish.  It took a long time for Shinano to go down, but go down she eventually did.

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The Unryu-class CVs I mentioned at the beginning had been accepted for an expansion program to the navy in August 1941, before even the Pearl Harbor strike.  The plan by the IJN was to build lots of these Carriers, but that didn't happen.  3 of them would be completed by war's end:  Unryu, Amagi, Katsuragi.

But by the time they entered service, it was late 1944 and the Battle of the Philippine Sea had taken place, with massive losses in IJN aviators.  That battle broke the back of the IJN's Carrier forces.  After that, Japan would no longer confidently field any Fleet Carrier with an air group for the rest of the war.  Unryu would be sunk by submarine.  Amagi sunk at Kure harbor from air attacks.  Katsuragi would survive the war but would be decommissioned and scrapped soon after in 1946, after she did a bunch of repatriation of Japanese soldiers and civilians from overseas, back to Japan.

Katsuragi below in 1944.  She entered service in October that year.

2560px-Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Katsura

 

 

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17 hours ago, ole_seabee said:

There are now more CVs in q than battleships things have gone to hell and i think its gona get worse..

 

I don't know.  I got a tier IV random game yesterday that didn't have any.  And, more astonishingly, no bots!  But I do remember seeing 7-8 CVs in the queue before it launched.  Luck of the draw, I guess.

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2 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

The end result was Shinano being sent to sea and got picked off by American Balao-class submarine Archerfish

And IIRC the captain's sinking report was not taken seriously at first, as the Shinano was not even known to exist by USN Intel.

4 hours ago, HyperFish said:

I've never understood why people feel the need to announce to the world that they've ignored someone.

Probably to warn that person not to waste their breath replying, as the replies will not be heard.

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13 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

I watched a documentary about a Japanese WWII supercarrier recently. An interesting quote from it was "unlike the smaller Yamato and Musashi..." The carrier was built in such secrecy that only a couple photos exist of it. It left port and was almost immediately sunk by a US submarine.

This, right here...

https://www.amazon.ca/Shinano-Sinking-Japans-Secret-Supership/dp/0312909675

is an EXCELLENT read.  It has perspectives from both sides on what really happened.

 

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6 hours ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Probably to warn that person not to waste their breath replying, as the replies will not be heard.

Maybe, but the person can still reply and everyone else can see it, but you've lost the right of reply because you won't, so therefore giving the person you're annoyed with and most people reading the thread the idea that he's won because a) you've run out of facts to argue in your favor, and he has the last words, or b) you've ragequit the argument.

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13 hours ago, HyperFish said:

you've lost the right of reply

"Do not throw pearls before swine; they will only trample them in the dust."

If the person you are arguing against is sufficiently obtuse, sometimes there is no point in having the last word.

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On 10/13/2020 at 6:20 PM, Compassghost said:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200829/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200905/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/pastrecords/20200912/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201003/na_week/average_class.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201010/na_week/average_class.html

 

The number of carrier players is down in the past 5 weeks from 1479 to 1312 in high tiers, and 1837 to 1414 in low tiers. A decrease of 12% and 23% respectively. High CV queue count does not indicate a high amount of carrier players, because CVs are match-limited compared to the other classes. The other queues will drain much faster than the CVs ever will.

Perfectly explained.

My question is, if the numbers of CV in que is due to the cap. How many CVs would we see if the cap is removed? 2/3??

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Number of supposed players in queue doesn't mean anything quite frankly.

There can literally be over a hundred players supposedly in range yet it can still easily take a minute or two to find a match. Personally I believe the numbers are just straight up placebo to keep your hopes up in finding a match quickly.

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4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Personally I believe the numbers are just straight up placebo to keep your hopes up in finding a match quickly.

This would certainly explain why I can be in a queue with 8 carriers and get none or be in queue with 0 carriers and get 2 per side...

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7 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Number of supposed players in queue doesn't mean anything quite frankly.

There can literally be over a hundred players supposedly in range yet it can still easily take a minute or two to find a match. Personally I believe the numbers are just straight up placebo to keep your hopes up in finding a match quickly.

 

1 minute ago, _ENO_ said:

This would certainly explain why I can be in a queue with 8 carriers and get none or be in queue with 0 carriers and get 2 per side...

Servers can only handle a limited number of matches. I think the numbers of ships in the queue are to give you an idea of how long your wait will be, not to be used as an accurate number of players in the queue.

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