1,809 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 3,633 posts 42,202 battles Report post #1 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) What possessed WG to give 40 second reload to the Minnesota? That is horrid! Horrible! Terrible! Tediously Futile! The only way I can make this ship work is I sequential fire every 4-5 seconds and get the whole dang team to not fire at anything! Who tested these? Were they on barbiturates and thought the reload was too fast? Next time you test something. Find someone who is actually a BB player and not some half baked slacker. This could have been a nice ship, but you turned it into a tier 9 turd. I am really disappointed. Edited October 2, 2020 by SteelRain_Rifleman 6 3 1 1 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,252 [WIB] Midnitewolf Alpha Tester 3,978 posts 2,472 battles Report post #2 Posted October 2, 2020 Yeah from what I have heard everyone feels the same way about her. she is slow and cumbersome in every possible manner from her max speed to her reload. The best anyone said about her is she is boring. Honestly it appears the whole line is like this as well. I am betting no one actually grinds this line and they will be a very rare sight in game unless they do some massive buffs. Also, I think the point here is that it wouldn't matter even if the ship was OP because they aren't any fun. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,066 [WOLFG] Skpstr Members 31,206 posts 9,579 battles Report post #3 Posted October 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: What possessed WG to give 40 second reload to the Minnesota? Probably the same thing that possessed someone to play it, knowing up front that it had a 40-second reload...... Seriously though, MBM3 should knock just over 5 seconds off that 40 seconds. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
477 [FOXY] Princess_Daystar Members 1,211 posts 5,765 battles Report post #4 Posted October 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Midnitewolf said: Yeah from what I have heard everyone feels the same way about her. she is slow and cumbersome in every possible manner from her max speed to her reload. The best anyone said about her is she is boring. Honestly it appears the whole line is like this as well. I am betting no one actually grinds this line and they will be a very rare sight in game unless they do some massive buffs. Also, I think the point here is that it wouldn't matter even if the ship was OP because they aren't any fun. Im enjoying her actually :/ i took the reload upgrade mod which brings it down to 33 or 34, but it needs some help. In Randoms it seems like it would be a huge target. I havent had any issues in COOP with her speed, due to her accurate guns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
381 [USCGC] Diesel_Thunder [USCGC] Members 826 posts 7,422 battles Report post #5 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) I absolutely love the USN BB's, especially the real ones that were built and saw combat (the original tech tree line). I am among the many that are disappointed by this new branch split. I do plan on working these up to T10, likely will FXP them so I don't have the suffer the grind for long, and then only used them for snowflakes. I do look forward to when I am sailing my Smolensk or Worcester and I run across one and dakka dakka them to the bottom! Edited October 2, 2020 by Diesel_Thunder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33,719 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 24,766 posts 20,215 battles Report post #6 Posted October 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: What possessed WG to give 40 second reload to the Minnesota? How else would you balance out that amount of barrels of that size? Very curious to what you would consider fair. 1 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,809 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 3,633 posts 42,202 battles Report post #7 Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Skpstr said: Probably the same thing that possessed someone to play it, knowing up front that it had a 40-second reload...... Seriously though, MBM3 should knock just over 5 seconds off that 40 seconds. 35.2 seconds. That is too long. An eternity. There is no real difference between 35.2 and 40 secs. It should have Iowa's reload. That upgrade is useless . 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,703 [O7] DolphinPrincess Members 1,032 posts 5,155 battles Report post #8 Posted October 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: Who tested these? Were they on barbiturates and thought the reload was too fast? Next time you test something. Find someone who is actually a BB player and not some half baked slacker. I did. You still have problems? 1 2 1 1 14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,809 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 3,633 posts 42,202 battles Report post #9 Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, DolphinPrincess said: I did. You still have problems? Yes. You're fired! 8 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,066 [WOLFG] Skpstr Members 31,206 posts 9,579 battles Report post #10 Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: 35.2 seconds. That is too long. An eternity. I take it you did not enjoy US BBs until Colorado? New Mex is one of my all-time favorites, 34-second reload. 1 minute ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: There is no real difference between 35.2 and 40 secs. It should have Iowa's reload. That's silly. Then there's no difference between 30 and 35 seconds, or 25 and 30. 1 minute ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: That upgrade is useless . If you don't believe that a 3.5-5 second faster reload matters, then yes. I agree that the high reloads for these BBs are too much though. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,809 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 3,633 posts 42,202 battles Report post #11 Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lert said: How else would you balance out that amount of barrels of that size? Very curious to what you would consider fair. The barrels are 45 not 50 like Iowa. So dispersion should have done it alone. You can get Iowa down to 294 meters at 27km. And Minnesota is actually the same if similarly configured. But a 45 barrel is supposed to be less accurate that a 50. So it should have dispersion on par with Colorado. Colorado is 278 meters at 21km. So either Colorado dispersion has been applied to all 3 or one of them is wrong. I am guessing that Colorado dispersion is correct and Minnesota is as well, but Iowa is not. If you wanted to balance it, then put the dispersion slightly worse than that of Iowa's specs because technically it is spec'ed like an Iowa already. Colorado is limited by range. Both Minnesota and Iowa are not if configured same. The other balance factor is Minn speed. So there is quote enough balance already in place. I think that testing proved too hard for the testers because they don't know how to shoot long range to begin with and waited until they were at 20 km or less to effectively use the guns. It's that skill gap that undermines balance and WG does not keep metrics on hits at long range versus hits at 20km or less. Otherwise, WG would have simply tuned the dispersion. You asked. 🤔 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33,719 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 24,766 posts 20,215 battles Report post #12 Posted October 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: It should have Iowa's reload. With 1/3 again as many guns. Because that's fair. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,809 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 3,633 posts 42,202 battles Report post #13 Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Lert said: With 1/3 again as many guns. Because that's fair. Read the explanation. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
33,719 [HINON] Lert Alpha Tester 24,766 posts 20,215 battles Report post #14 Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: Read the explanation. I did and don't agree with it. But I doubt either of us is going to convince the other, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,703 [O7] DolphinPrincess Members 1,032 posts 5,155 battles Report post #15 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: Yes. You're fired! I am not responsible for people disliking the ship because they are bad at it Ship is balanced around players with braincells, not those without. Edited October 3, 2020 by DolphinPrincess 3 2 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
16 [-KIA-] CenturioRomanus Alpha Tester 44 posts 4,323 battles Report post #16 Posted October 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: Next time you test something. Find someone who is actually a BB player and not some half baked slacker. I can tell you for a fact, most of the people that tested it including myself are easily better than average players. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
66 [PVE] Duma Members 380 posts 3,201 battles Report post #17 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Lert said: How else would you balance out that amount of barrels of that size? Very curious to what you would consider fair. Balance and Wargaming. Those two words and the concept don't actually go together. Or let me be clear. Said balance is not above reproach and the implementation of it is highly suspicious. That being said. Concerning the two there is a mutual cancellation. Edited October 2, 2020 by Duma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,809 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 3,633 posts 42,202 battles Report post #18 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Skpstr said: I take it you did not enjoy US BBs until Colorado? New Mex is one of my all-time favorites, 34-second reload. That's silly. Then there's no difference between 30 and 35 seconds, or 25 and 30. If you don't believe that a 3.5-5 second faster reload matters, then yes. I agree that the high reloads for these BBs are too much though. In a game where cruisers and DDs fire really fast and a fast US BB like Iowa reloads quite fast to begin with, it's kind of far fetched that this ship takes longer to reload as slow a ship's speed as it is. Edited October 2, 2020 by SteelRain_Rifleman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,484 [HINON] tcbaker777 [HINON] Members 8,415 posts 12,295 battles Report post #19 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) honestly the only one of the 3 that looks like its complete garbage is Kansas, and thats because it got hit with a ton of nerfs and not a single buff to help it have SOMETHING going for it, they even decreased its alpha AP damage to where Alsace, with 15" guns, has a heavier alpha broadside than the Kansas Edited October 2, 2020 by tcbaker777 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,066 [WOLFG] Skpstr Members 31,206 posts 9,579 battles Report post #20 Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: In a may where's cruisers and DDs fire really fast and a fast US BB like Iowa reloads quite fast to begin with, it's kind of far fetched that this ship takes longer to reload as slow a ship's speed as it is. TBH though, Iowa doesn't reload quite fast. 30 seconds base is pretty common from T3 up. I do agree that 40 seconds is far fetched though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,809 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 3,633 posts 42,202 battles Report post #21 Posted October 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, CenturioRomanus said: I can tell you for a fact, most of the people that tested it including myself are easily better than average players. A tester should be always a target for criticism if a product is not well received. And if a tester takes exception, then they are just showing how sensitive their egos are in not being thorough in testing. You don't like the feedback? It's the consequences of the test. And the final product. Performance of any player is subjective and can be easily manipulated if conditions are always favorable. It's the adverse conditions that define a player. Not a well placed sync drop or a clan. And I take great issue of testing as being suspect when a specific clan does it as is well evidenced by this past KOS. How can a player be impartial if they win matches with a ship they themselves tested? It's easy to manipulate numbers here. Easy. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
41 [GGWP] Atlanta_Kai Members 116 posts 11,316 battles Report post #22 Posted October 2, 2020 53 minutes ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: What possessed WG to give 40 second reload to the Minnesota? That is horrid! Horrible! Terrible! Tediously Futile! The only way I can make this ship work is I sequential fire every 4-5 seconds and get the whole dang team to not fire at anything! Who tested these? Were they on barbiturates and thought the reload was too fast? Next time you test something. Find someone who is actually a BB player and not some half baked slacker. Always nice to see someone who puts down the testers, who sacrifice time to try and give good results for balancing, independently on what WG decides to do to the ship anyways. 2 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,809 SteelRain_Rifleman Members 3,633 posts 42,202 battles Report post #23 Posted October 2, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, _Atlanta_ said: Always nice to see someone who puts down the testers, who sacrifice time to try and give good results for balancing, independently on what WG decides to do to the ship anyways. It's called culpable deniability. They can blame non employees to avoid liability. Edited October 2, 2020 by SteelRain_Rifleman 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
98 ithekro Members 445 posts 7,863 battles Report post #24 Posted October 2, 2020 So how would an Odin and Minnesota division work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,104 [FOXEH] Umikami Banned 14,364 posts 20,261 battles Report post #25 Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, SteelRain_Rifleman said: 35.2 seconds. That is too long. An eternity. Dude, that's Arizona's reload (35 seconds) and she does just fine; maybe wait and play one? (40 seconds is a lot, granted) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
