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I was in a Hotspot battle near the big volcano in the West. I'm blasting away at a BB in the A cap when i start getting hit from the rear. It's an Atlanta focusing on me from West of the volcano. I swing my guns around and start blasting it like there's no tomorrow and quickly delete more than half of its hp.  It turns and runs just barely escaping with its life behind the volcano.

Case closed.

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Obviously Atlanta didn't have IFHE.

 

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Munchen will dumpster the Atlanta in a gunfight. Both ships can pen each other, but Munchen has better centerline armor that can shatter HE shells with ease. Atlanta is also super sluggish and a very easy target to hit, especially for a cruiser, compared to the Munchen

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12 minutes ago, TheGreatBlasto said:

Munchen don't need no steenkin' IFHE.

:cap_rambo:

Germans have baked in IFHE....

IF Atlanta had taken that skill, you'd be dead. 

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1 hour ago, dEsTurbed1 said:

Germans have baked in IFHE....

IF Atlanta had taken that skill, you'd be dead. 

How do you know that she didn't?

 

I have ships and find the Munchen faster and stronger.

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12 hours ago, TheGreatBlasto said:

How do you know that she didn't?

 

I have ships and find the Munchen faster and stronger.

My Boise & Julio would eat your lunch...

Helena too.....

I imagine the Italian SAP would love to munch on you too...

5 second reload with German HE is strong, but Munchen is a fragile ship.

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I've over 60 games in the Munchen and TBH, she's a lot more than an Atlanta IMO.  I've taken on Atlanta's and have had my way with them; even though, taking damage from them in that exchange.  The Munchen way work really well in Narai if you don't have an Atlanta or a Flint.  So far, and I am only playing the Munchen, she produces at least two kills a COOP match.....  The most so far is five.  Even without a kill a match, no less than 80K in damage and more like 90K......

Really worth the Doubloons I get in gift cards for Birthdays and holidays !!! 

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Wow, it’s almost like there’s more to ship balance than just parking them next to each other and clicking the mouse button repeatedly. :Smile_smile:

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Atlanta fairs very poorly against traditional CLs; even Omaha. What Atlanta's does fair well against are torpedo and hybrid DDs; To a limited extent slow/reversing BBs. 

Atlanta has never been a super cruiser. She can hard counter RN CLs through bow tanking though.

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Munchen has range on the Atlanta (about 3km more) and more speed even without the Speed Flag.  She is in a sense another version of the Atlanta without needing to spend 11 points on just 3 skills (BFT, AFT and IFHE thus giving up fire chance).

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6 hours ago, TheGreatBlasto said:

Oh yeah, you and what army, bro?

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12 shells with IFHE every 10 seconds....

Atlanta with wooster 19 point captain, IFHE....

I WILL PEN EVERYTHING ON YOUR MUNCHEN AND ENJOY THE FLAVOR....

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8 hours ago, dEsTurbed1 said:

12 shells with IFHE every 10 seconds....

Atlanta with wooster 19 point captain, IFHE....

I WILL PEN EVERYTHING ON YOUR MUNCHEN AND ENJOY THE FLAVOR....

:Smile_great:

Not sure why you are still arguing. As a man of science l have provided you with incontrovertible empirical evidence that Munchen beats Atlanta every time.  

 

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18 hours ago, TheGreatBlasto said:

Not sure why you are still arguing. As a man of science l have provided you with incontrovertible empirical evidence that Munchen beats Atlanta every time.  

 

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tomorrow I will go into a training room and kill munchkins in my HOTLANTA to prove you wrong....

 

I do believe it's more of players skill than the ships themselves. 

 

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2 hours ago, dEsTurbed1 said:

tomorrow I will go into a training room and kill munchkins in my HOTLANTA to prove you wrong....

 

I do believe it's more of players skill than the ships themselves. 

 

you can't load bot premiums into the training room.

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3 hours ago, Crokodone said:

you can't load bot premiums into the training room.

Dang.....

 

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On 9/14/2020 at 1:14 AM, TheGreatBlasto said:

Munchen don't need no steenkin' IFHE.

:cap_rambo:

Until WG implement a 1/5 pen value instead of 1/4 'Global change'.

Then all of a sudden a 'Wow, this is what they did to the Atlanta (AA/IFHE), now why didn't I realise That was why all those German ships were released!'

WG: Sell them quick - before the nerf! :cap_haloween:

When it happens, don't tell me it will be that much of a surprise?:Smile_trollface:

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4 hours ago, dEsTurbed1 said:

Dang.....

 

Atlanta never faired well Against other cruisers. The exception are RN Cruisers. Against everything else, Atlanta has always faired poorly.

3 hours ago, _WaveRider_ said:

Until WG implement a 1/5 pen value instead of 1/4 'Global change'.

Then all of a sudden a 'Wow, this is what they did to the Atlanta (AA/IFHE), now why didn't I realise That was why all those German ships were released!'

WG: Sell them quick - before the nerf! :cap_haloween:

When it happens, don't tell me it will be that much of a surprise?:Smile_trollface:

Penetration isn't the problem. Armor, range and health are the problem. If Atlanta had 12.6km range and 16mm instead of 13mm plating with a slightly faster rudder shift? She'd be fine.

The RoF buff was semi-ok, but past due and out of meta. Because now Atlanta gets into t9 maps where her maximum range, is the secondary range of allot of BBs; and where most DDs out range her anyway.

Penetration isn't the problem.

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Should be a duel mode, call it "Gauntlet Cast" 1v1 any ships personal battles.

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6 hours ago, Crokodone said:

Penetration isn't the problem. Armor, range and health are the problem. If Atlanta had 12.6km range and 16mm instead of 13mm plating with a slightly faster rudder shift? She'd be fine.

The RoF buff was semi-ok, but past due and out of meta. Because now Atlanta gets into t9 maps where her maximum range, is the secondary range of allot of BBs; and where most DDs out range her anyway.

Penetration isn't the problem.

Disagree, but that happens on the forum lol.

For me she was a specialist in the  AA area which was always part of the trade off. However because of the extra boost the IFHE gave, she was able to do considerable damage in the right circumstance/have generally good games/ and yes have some poor games too.

But the consecutive nerfs just relegated her to port Queen for me, there are other ships that do better and the odd chance that everything is lined up for a perfect game are too far and between to bother.

 

Your reasons are as valid, but for me was generally always the case with Atlanta; but you could still get good matches enough times to make her worthy of playing (IMO) - now not so much. Nerfs like that to premiums are what stopped me buying ships anymore. :Smile_honoring:

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3 hours ago, _WaveRider_ said:

Your reasons are as valid, but for me was generally always the case with Atlanta; but you could still get good matches enough times to make her worthy of playing (IMO) - now not so much. Nerfs like that to premiums are what stopped me buying ships anymore.

Understandable, and why i think WG has shifted their focus more towards reward ships than cash premiums. I played the Atlanta since closed beta (lol) she was sold as a specialized AA ship but to be frank she was never that good with AA.

Atlanta's actual speciality was always against DDs. Atlanta was morbidly OP against the first branches of DDs, but became weaker and weaker with every DD release.

The IFHE nerf forced her to switch between AP and HE allot more often. Before the great nerf, you only used AP for citadels. Nownyou use it for everything you can use it against.

Meanwhile, Atlanta never did well against other cruisers. And she always depended on how well she could support the team, not the other way around.

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Yubari and Texas always suffered from the same business model. But to be fair, i never played the Yubari. And Texas, did, and probably still does have better firing angles on Q turret than New York.

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