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tech tree lines you wished were replaced with their premiums.

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They key one for me is the RN Battleships. Their premiums, the Warspite, Vanguard and Thunderer are, IMO MUCH better ships than the tech tree short fuse, HE spamming ones we got (minus the QE who is the odd duck) and I really wish those had been the Tech tree and the HE spammers (though released with the raised citadel) the premiums. In my ideal world tier 6 would still be the Queen Liz, though with a boosted turret traverse time down to inbetween what she has now and the Warspite at the very least. Tier 7 would be an Admiral class like the Hood (which much more better accuracy) but with the upgrades turning it to the planned J3 upgrade scheme (better AA, higher speed namely). Tier 9 would remain the lion with the 9x406mm/419 option but with vastly improved accuracy and normal AP pen. Tier 10 would have just straight up been the Thunderer with the 457mm very accurate guns as standard and the 419 Conq as the coal variant.

It's odd when the premiums are vastly more fun to play than their tech tree counterparts and aren't hit with the 'box o'gimmicks' that WG slapped on the tech tree versions. A set of BBs focused on having Supercruiser like dispersion  AP rounds with good pen but meh HE, good concealment and squishy armor (32mm all over). Currently the tech tree BB line stands has duds at both tier 8 (Monarch AP isn't great, her HE isn't great since she gets standard fire chance and what feels like second worst dispersion (french BBs still have it worse) in the game now that the Germans got buffed) and the Lion (shares all the same problems the Monarch has) and it's only really the tier 10 that offers much with 12 guns making up for her wonky dispersion. 

My only hope is that if they ever do the Royal Navy Battlecruiser line that this is the distinction we get to separate the two trees, Battlecruisers who, in the early tiers, are faster than their brethren with the traits listed above. However looking at the new USN battleships which seem to come from  place nobody suspected means I'm not holding out hope for WG to actually do something 'sensible'.

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The upcoming US BB split line replaced with Mass (South Dakota), Georgia, and Ohio. Like I get in some respects it would be taking from the German’s niche, but it would be a heck of a lot better than what we are getting in the future. The ship line as is is DOA, and as a USN fan that’s a damn shame.

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As noted above for the newly proposed USA BB line...To be clear I want this line to be "Gudboats" (not overpowered, but readily playable and fun, which, based on my and others review of their specs, is currently unlikely)......

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A classic example of this was Musashi. Could have been one hell of a tech tree tier IX and be consistent with the line. Izumo due to oddball arrangement could become the premium instead.

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51 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

A classic example of this was Musashi. Could have been one hell of a tech tree tier IX and be consistent with the line. Izumo due to oddball arrangement could become the premium instead.

Why?  Yamato herself is already in Tier X.

 

It's already bad enough that Tier IX Musashi breaks Battleships in that tier, and it could have been much worse if she was tech tree and more widely available.

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6 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Why?  Yamato herself is already in Tier X.

 

It's already bad enough that Tier IX Musashi breaks Battleships in that tier, and it could have been much worse if she was tech tree and more widely available.

The tech tree version could be tweaked accordingly, be it with slower reload, worse accuracy etc. No argument that Musashi as released would be broken, though on the other hand due to being tech tree it could be balanced accordingly.

What you would get is a normal transition from the A-B-X-Y-Z layout of Amagi to an A-B-X at tier IX with a potential Musashi instead of having an all forward ship all of a sudden.

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7 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

The tech tree version could be tweaked accordingly, be it with slower reload, worse accuracy etc. No argument that Musashi as released would be broken, though on the other hand due to being tech tree it could be balanced accordingly.

What you would get is a normal transition from the A-B-X-Y-Z layout of Amagi to an A-B-X at tier IX with a potential Musashi instead of having an all forward ship all of a sudden.

I wouldn't mind if they went with the proposal that had the turrets in a Nelson arrangement that meant the back gun could swing from one side to the other without having to rotate the long way round but they went with probably the wonkiest possible yamato proposal design they could.

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1 hour ago, warheart1992 said:

A classic example of this was Musashi. Could have been one hell of a tech tree tier IX and be consistent with the line. Izumo due to oddball arrangement could become the premium instead.

This dates back to the origin of the game and Yammy being the big prize. Izumo - which is by far the least efficient of all possible Tier IX designs - existed to suck money for skipping it. 

Original Izumo was really terrible in addition to being historically nonsensical. 

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The USN secondary battleships are much more fun, engaging, and effective than their tech tree counterparts.

I'd replace the German premium BB model over the current German tech tree one (more accuracy, less penetration). Model, not ships.

British BBs are fine but the British premium BBs deserve their own complete line. 

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The USN BB is trash in this current meta. Mass/Georgia/Ohio are basically better than the current tech tree offerings. 

Yet we get more of the same... the only difference is speed...which is....hilarious considering the secondary guns are totally worthless.

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3 hours ago, Dr_Venture said:

The USN BB is trash in this current meta. Mass/Georgia/Ohio are basically better than the current tech tree offerings. 

Yet we get more of the same... the only difference is speed...which is....hilarious considering the secondary guns are totally worthless.

Its because they know US fans will pay for most if not all new premium ships that come out for the US... People will still buy them cuz of muh america... No wonder the US has the most premium ships out of any damn nation in the game.

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the US BB split, its literally got a tech trees worth of premium BBs from T4 with the Ark Beta, correct me if im wrong on that, to T10 with the Ohio

T4: Ark Beta
T5: Texas
T6: Arizona and WV '41
T7: California and the upcoming Florida
T8: Mass, 'Bama
T9: Missouri and Georgia
T10: Ohio

literally a full tech tree of premium BBs, all thats missing is a T3

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6 hours ago, warheart1992 said:

The tech tree version could be tweaked accordingly, be it with slower reload, worse accuracy etc.

Conversely, just give it Izumo's guns....

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3 hours ago, tcbaker777 said:

the US BB split, its literally got a tech trees worth of premium BBs from T4 with the Ark Beta, correct me if im wrong on that, to T10 with the Ohio

T4: Ark Beta
T5: Texas
T6: Arizona and WV '41
T7: California and the upcoming Florida
T8: Mass, 'Bama
T9: Missouri and Georgia
T10: Ohio

literally a full tech tree of premium BBs, all thats missing is a T3

Why make them for free when you can sell them for money?

Do not forget Tier VII Florida is on the way.  She's not like the Split BBs, more of a take on earlier North Carolina design proposals to fit her with a bunch of 356mm guns instead of the 406s that she eventually got.  She's going to be a Premium Ship also.

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4 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Why make them for free when you can sell them for money?

Wargaming,hire this man.

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9 hours ago, warheart1992 said:

The tech tree version could be tweaked accordingly, be it with slower reload, worse accuracy etc. No argument that Musashi as released would be broken, though on the other hand due to being tech tree it could be balanced accordingly.

What you would get is a normal transition from the A-B-X-Y-Z layout of Amagi to an A-B-X at tier IX with a potential Musashi instead of having an all forward ship all of a sudden.

Making the Musashi the tier IX is taking two ships from the same exact class and tiering them with entirely artificial distinctions, isn't it? 

It's strange enough as it is.

 

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