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Proposal: Große Kreuzer & Panzerschiffe Tech Tree Branch - Redux

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Alright, I've done one of these before, but it got lost when they changed the forums, and it needed an update for Agir, Seigfried, and Odin, any how.

The first two (or three) ships in this list are Große Kreuzers (Large Cruisers), followed by a proto-Deutschland, Deutschland, a small battlecruiser, and then a split into a heavily armored line and a larger, faster, harder hitting line.

 

 

Tier III
Victoria Louise

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Displacement: 6491t max (Vineta and Hansa topped out at 6705t)
Length: 110.6m
Breadth: 17.4m
Speed: 19.2 max
Slopes: 100mm
Citadel: 150mm
Armament:
2x2 21cm SK L/40
8x 15cm/40 QF (casemate)
10x 88cm/30 QF (casemate)

Hull(B)
Armament:

2x2 21cm SK L/40
6x 15cm/40 QF (casemate)
10x 88cm/30 QF (casemate)
1x 88cm/30 QF

Consumables: (Same on Hull A and B)
Damage Control Party

Victoria Louise, with her heavy armor, slow speed, large health pool, and heavy guns would serve as a good introduction to what players could expect from the first part of the line. Her two turret configuration would also serve as practice for larger ships, as well. She should allow for some low-tier supercruiser-esque gameplay.

 

 

Tier IV
Furst Bismarck

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Displacement: 11,461t max
Length: 127m
Breadth: 20.4m
Speed: 18.7 kts
Belt: 100-200mm
Citadel: 200mm
Armament:
2x2 24cm SK L/40 QF (actual bore diameter is 238mm)
12x 15cm/40 QF (casemate)
10x 88cm/30 QF (casemate)

Consumables:
Damage Control
 

Tier V
Entwurf I/26

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Displacement:
Length: 186m
Breadth: ~20m
Speed: 28kts
Belt: 100mm
Citadel: 0mm
Armament:
2x3 28cm SK C/28
4x2 12cm DP
(unknown 40mm and 20mm can be added)

Consumables:
Damage Control
Spotter -or- Fighter

A draft of for the Deutschland-Class latter in the design process, she'll play much like the finalized Deutschland, but with less tools in his tool box (ie missing the torpedoes, hydro-acoustic search, and repair party). I still expect him to be a strong ship at tier 5, though he'll be vulnerable to strike craft from carriers, due to the lack of non-flak AA.

 

Tier VI
Deutschland


Basically as Admiral Graf Spee. If you want the raw stats, I can list them.

 

Tier VII
Battlecruiser Design 1928

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Displacement: 19,192t
Length: 206m (waterline)
Breadth: 25m
Speed: 34kts
Belt: 100mm
Citadel: 0mm
Armament:
4x2 30.5cm QF
3x3 15cm QF
4x1 8.8cm DP

Consumables:
Damage Control
Hydro-Acoustic Search
Fighter -or- Spotter
Repair Party

I included the 1928 Battlecruiser Design more out of a lack of anything else suitable for the spot. While the design was criticized for lacking staying power, in WoWs terms, she should have plenty, with a good chunk of health and repair party, though her weaker belt means that broadsiding will be punished severely. If anyone has any better suggestions, I welcome them.

D-Line Split
The slower, heavily armored line.

Tier VIII
D-Class

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Displacement: 20,000t
Length: 230m
Breadth: 25.5m
Speed: 29kts
Belt: 220mm
Citadel: 50mm
Armament:
2x4 28cm/52 QF
4x2 15cm/55 QF
4x2 10.5cm/65 DP
(Various AA can be added)
2x4 Torpedo Tubes

Consumables:
Damage Control
Hydro-Acoustic Search
Fighter -or- Spotter
Repair Party

The mounting of quad turrets was discussed if there were any available. Using them in this design would provide a slightly different flavor, instead of using turrets from a ship 2 tiers lower. This line is about survivability, not firepower, so I think it is fine.

 

Tier IX
Neuentwurf II

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Displacement: 30,950t
Length: 223m at waterline
Breadth: 29.3m
Speed: 28 kts
Belt: 300mm
Citadel: 45mm (Turtleback: 95mm)
Armament:
3x3 28cm QF
8x1 15cm QF
5x2 10.5cm

Consumables:
Damage Control
Hydro-Acoustic Search
Fighter -or- Spotter
Repair Party

Neuentwurf II is distinct from Agir by have smaller, slightly faster firing guns, sacrificing speed for armor, a slightly beefed up secondary armament, and a lack of torpedoes. If it is felt that more firepower is needed, the triple 28cm turrets can be swapped for quadruple ones.

 

Tier X
Wargaming Fantasy Design
(unless someone has a better alternative)

 

P-Line
The faster, harder hitting line.

Tier VIII
P-Class

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Displacement: 25,689t
Length: 230m
Breadth: 26m
Speed: 33 kts
Belt: 145mm
Citadel: 60mm
Armament:
2x3 30.5cm QF
2x2 15cm/55 QF
4x2 10.5/65 QF
2x4 Torpedo Tubes

Consumables:
Damage Control
Hydro-Acoustic Search
Fighter -or- Spotter
Repair Party

 

Tier IX
O-Class

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Displacement: 35,400 max
Length: 256 m
Breadth: 30 m
Speed: 35 kts
Belt: 180mm
Citadel: 80mm
Armament:
3x2 38.1cm/47 QF
3x2 15cm/48 QF
4x2 10.5cm/65 DP
4x2 3.7cm/83 AA
20x1 20cm AA
2x3 Torpedo Tubes

Consumables:
Damage Control
Hydro-Acoustic Search
Fighter -or- Spotter
Repair Party

 

Tier X
Wargaming Fantasy Design
(unless someone has a better alternative)

 

 

Let me hear what ya'll think.

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I'd say for the D-line the tier X should be a further modified neuentwerf II (which is the 3x3 D-class modified designs based on the image) with the 3x4 28cm, time IX should remain 3x3 at.

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