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TLDR at the end :)

After taking a good look at Queen Elizabeth's bow armor in the client and external websites, I noticed a good section of 104 mm bow armor quite near up front. Theoretically, if you could angle and bounce shells with the 104 mm section, you'll be pretty much be able to tank any BB ap for a good amount of time. To test this, I tried taking out my QE out for a spin in the training room against a Kremlin (LOL). The Kremlin has 457 mm shells that can overmatch QE's external plating of 26 mm but definitely not the 104 mm section. In the training room, I discovered that I managed to bounce around half of his AP. Most of the AP that bounced was on the main belt armor near the center of the ship. There were several occasions where the AP bounced when it hit the bow but most of the them resulted in regular penetrations. There was one citadel hit during the test but that was when I overturned and pointed my bow straight on when the AP hit. As the test progressed, I took less penetration damage to my bow due to damage saturation mechanics. I ended up taking a total of 93k damage after using 5 heals. Most of the damage was fire damage from his secondaries and the regular pens from his AP. I took 88 hits from his AP shells, with the damage averaging less than 1k per shell. I did get my main turret disabled a few times as a result of a penetration hitting the turret barbette area. After the test, I took a closer look in the armor viewer and made some notes.

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There are two sections to the bow armor I circled and examined. Both of them are 104 mm and located at the waterline. So although you may be technically angled, a shell could pass above the 104 mm section and deal damage.

Section A (Red)

This section of bow armor cannot bounce BB shells if you angle properly because shells will probably pen this area and hit something else. This means that this section of armor will not protect you from AP shells if you are bow on to an enemy BB. I noted in green arrows the possible path an AP shell could go. If an AP shell hit the bow head on, it could very well hit the citadel (the top boxy thing I outlined in red). Even though this section of armor will be penned most of the time, if you angle you reduce the probability of an AP shell hitting your citadel. I noted that approximately from 0-25 degrees from the centerline of the bow,  the path of the AP shell will hit the citadel. Beyond that, it will miss the citadel. This is assuming that the AP shell hits section A of the armor and penetrates.

Section B (Blue)

This section of bow armor is actually useful. Since it extends a significant amount towards the bow, you find that you get overmatched less often than most battleships with fragile bows. The armor is at such an angle that it will bounce shells up to 15 degrees off the centerline of the bow. Once you go past 15 degrees, shells will start penning that section of armor. However there is a slight overlap in angling between section A and B. If you angle beyond 25 degrees, any shell that strikes section A will miss the citadel. However with the same angling, any shell that strikes section B of the armor will have a good chance of hitting your citadel. Considering that section B of the armor covers a significant amount of the bow, it is better to angle 15 degrees from the centerline of the bow to minimize getting citadeled.

TLDR:

  • Queen Elizabeth has a section of 104 mm bow armor that can technically bounce any AP shell in the game.
  • This armor can be abused and you can tank a Yamato in this thing (not that she would ever meet one)
  • There is no specific angle the Queen Elizabeth can take while approaching bow on without a chance of getting overmatched and citadelled.
  • If you angle around 15 degrees from the center of the bow,  you make it darn hard for other ships to overmatch your bow. Even though it is possible to be overmatched at this angle, it is very hard for enemy ships to do so and hit your citadel consistently
  • I tried doing this in Training Room and managed to sink a Yamato while bouncing his AP on that 104 mm section.  I simply angled 15 degrees and bounced his AP which gave me time to slowly chip away the Yamato's hp and eventually sink him.

 

I'm not an expert at this kind of stuff so if something is up feel free to correct me :)

 

Edited by Admiral_Bingo
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Lol as I always thought, that class of BB can be really tough when played correctly. And now I see one of the reasons why I never really even had to fear even tier 8 BBs. :Smile_Default:

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1 hour ago, custer_14 said:

Does warspite have this bow too?

Yes, but also no. It does have the same strip, however it's 102 mm instead of 104. Small difference, but still. 

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@Admiral_Bingo Great post! Thanks for taking the time to do these tests.

2 hours ago, Admiral_Bingo said:

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Just one thing, should the rightmost 15 be a 25? You're not showing that vector ricocheting and I assume it is striking the citadel.

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1 hour ago, henrychenhenry said:

@Admiral_Bingo Great post! Thanks for taking the time to do these tests.

Just one thing, should the rightmost 15 be a 25? You're not showing that vector ricocheting and I assume it is striking the citadel.

Ah yes my bad. That is correct. I did this in Microsoft Paint so that's my excuse for not making it clearer lol.

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4 hours ago, Admiral_Bingo said:

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TLDR at the end :)

After taking a good look at Queen Elizabeth's bow armor in the client and external websites, I noticed a good section of 104 mm bow armor quite near up front. Theoretically, if you could angle and bounce shells with the 104 mm section, you'll be pretty much be able to tank any BB ap for a good amount of time. To test this, I tried taking out my QE out for a spin in the training room against a Kremlin (LOL). The Kremlin has 457 mm shells that can overmatch QE's external plating of 26 mm but definitely not the 104 mm section. In the training room, I discovered that I managed to bounce around half of his AP. Most of the AP that bounced was on the main belt armor near the center of the ship. There were several occasions where the AP bounced when it hit the bow but most of the them resulted in regular penetrations. There was one citadel hit during the test but that was when I overturned and pointed my bow straight on when the AP hit. As the test progressed, I took less penetration damage to my bow due to damage saturation mechanics. I ended up taking a total of 93k damage after using 5 heals. Most of the damage was fire damage from his secondaries and the regular pens from his AP. I took 88 hits from his AP shells, with the damage averaging less than 1k per shell. I did get my main turret disabled a few times as a result of a penetration hitting the turret barbette area. After the test, I took a closer look in the armor viewer and made some notes.

image.png.6cca5c0ad88074da180482ce65078646.png

There are two sections to the bow armor I circled and examined. Both of them are 104 mm and located at the waterline. So although you may be technically angled, a shell could pass above the 104 mm section and deal damage.

Section A (Red)

This section of bow armor cannot bounce BB shells if you angle properly because shells will probably pen this area and hit something else. This means that this section of armor will not protect you from AP shells if you are bow on to an enemy BB. I noted in green arrows the possible path an AP shell could go. If an AP shell hit the bow head on, it could very well hit the citadel (the top boxy thing I outlined in red). Even though this section of armor will be penned most of the time, if you angle you reduce the probability of an AP shell hitting your citadel. I noted that approximately from 0-25 degrees from the centerline of the bow,  the path of the AP shell will hit the citadel. Beyond that, it will miss the citadel. This is assuming that the AP shell hits section A of the armor and penetrates.

Section B (Blue)

This section of bow armor is actually useful. Since it extends a significant amount towards the bow, you find that you get overmatched less often than most battleships with fragile bows. The armor is at such an angle that it will bounce shells up to 15 degrees off the centerline of the bow. Once you go past 15 degrees, shells will start penning that section of armor. However there is a slight overlap in angling between section A and B. If you angle beyond 25 degrees, any shell that strikes section A will miss the citadel. However with the same angling, any shell that strikes section B of the armor will have a good chance of hitting your citadel. Considering that section B of the armor covers a significant amount of the bow, it is better to angle 15 degrees from the centerline of the bow to minimize getting citadeled.

TLDR:

  • Queen Elizabeth has a section of 104 mm bow armor that can technically bounce any AP shell in the game.
  • This armor can be abused and you can tank a Yamato in this thing (not that she would ever meet one)
  • There is no specific angle the Queen Elizabeth can take while approaching bow on without a chance of getting overmatched and citadelled.
  • If you angle around 15 degrees from the center of the bow,  you make it darn hard for other ships to overmatch your bow. Even though it is possible to be overmatched at this angle, it is very hard for enemy ships to do so and hit your citadel consistently
  • I tried doing this in Training Room and managed to sink a Yamato while bouncing his AP on that 104 mm section.  I simply angled 15 degrees and bounced his AP which gave me time to slowly chip away the Yamato's hp and eventually sink him.

 

I'm not an expert at this kind of stuff so if something is up feel free to correct me :)

 

Would you mind posting the external website or checking on the Warspite bow please. 

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Darn!  I thought you were talking about Her Majesty's hat at some horse race.  Up the rebels!

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24 minutes ago, _cthulhu_ said:

Would you mind posting the external website or checking on the Warspite bow please. 

Whoops, I did make a mistake. Warspite's and QE's bow are both 102 mm. I remember writing the post and I couldn't remember whether it was 102 or 104 mm on the QE. So yes, their bow armor are the same. You can find the armor of the QE on this link: https://gamemodels3d.com/games/worldofwarships/vehicles/pbsb106

and the Warspite on this link: https://gamemodels3d.com/games/worldofwarships/vehicles/pbsb002

Yeah the in game model viewer doesn't do a good job

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That tiny orange triangle is the 102 mm and the orange rectangle to the far left is the 152 mm belt. The 102 mm triangle actually extends to the 152 mm belt when you check out the website and is much larger than what you see in the in game viewer. It looks like a triangle because 26 mm plating covers it.

SO yeah, sorry guys for that typo. Both QE and Warspite have that 102 mm section. But lol, its not like an extra 2 mm would accomplish anything extra. 102 mm can still easily bounce Yamato shells XD.

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