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In general, we see WG trying to keep the line as coherent as possible. That is, that for each tier you get an incremental improvement but nothing to drastic, which is why Cleveland was lower tier than the Pepsicola before the US Cruiser split. Still, there is some line where we see such flaws in coherence, either by gun caliber moving up and down or play style changing. And I am not pointing change like the US BB line where it goes from standard to fast bb: that is normal.

IJN DD : globally they have no coherence issue. I would swap Fubuki and Akatsuki for Hatsuharu and Shiratsuyu tho: Fubuki and Akatsuki are more ''gun boat'' than Hatsuharu and Shiratsuyu, making them more coherent in the gunboat line.

IJN Cruisers: no issue there. From Furry-tacos to Zao we got ships with similar capacity and handling, even if the meta push them away from the cruiser buly that is Furitaka and more to long range fire support.

IJN BB: one of the less coherent line. It goes from Battleship, to battlecruiser, to battleship, to battlecruiser, to Izumo.... So not only you  switch playstyle quite often, but you even get a poor man Nelson. It is one of the line in dire needs for a split.

 

US DD: no issue there.

US CL-CA: No issue there neither Even if some ships are stinker (those tier 9!), they are still coherent.

US BB: as said, they change from old man in wheel chair to old man in speed car. So yes you change your playstyle, but once you get to North Carolina you do not face any other massive change.

 

German DD: you go from fun to play forward torpedo launcher to hybrids gunboat. Even if they are still power crept as hell, they are coherent.

German cruisers: this one is tricky. You go from CL kitter with Nurnberg and Konigsberg to a weird heavy with 220mm guns at tier 7 that perform better with HE, to the Hipper that have poor HE alpha but excellent AP damage, to Roon that is an other kitter, to Hindenburg that is an Hipper that took his share of protein shake. Albeit not as much as the IJN BB line, this one would use some rework and maybe a split a full back armament cruiser and a Hipper style line.

German BB: somewhat coherent from the start to the end. Yes, Gneisenau is weird, but not that far of departure of the Bayern and a good first step toward the Bismarck.

 

British DD: no issue there.

British cruisers: again, nor real issue there. the CL play the same all the way up, albeit the Minotaur play more like an oversize dd than the Neptune. And the CA seem to be as bad all the way up.

British BB: an other weird one. You go from AP monster with the Queen Elizabeth, to HE spammer with KGV up to tier 10. But at least it is only ''one'' change in dynamic.

 

French DD: no issue

French cruisers: no issue neither

French BB: slight change with the Richelieu due to the gun layout, but they retain their ''speedy flanker with low caliber guns'' until the Republic. That last one is somewhat weird since it is the only French BB that have a decisive caliber advantage, but it ain't that bad.

 

 

Any opinion on the coherence? Which line should be adjust/ split to make the grind smoother and more incremental?

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Some other notable hiccups:

  • Ognevoi - lacks a real identity, especially in comparison to Udaloi and Grozovoi above it
  • Entire Pan-Asian DD line - this line is all over the place, going from Japanese-sourced ships early on, to USN style gunboat DDs at high tiers, with some Russian flavor in the middle (Fushun).  Tough to spec one commander to bring up the entire line unaltered.
  • French battleships - not an overly awkward line, but gun counts and gun layouts are all over the place up and down the line, making a lot of playstyle variances along the way.

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6 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

Entire Pan-Asian DD line - this line is all over the place, going from Japanese-sourced ships early on, to USN style gunboat DDs at high tiers, with some Russian flavor in the middle (Fushun).  Tough to spec one commander to bring up the entire line unaltered.

This line suffer from it's core concept. It is not a Navy, but many country that were buying ships right and left. Sure it would be great to make that line coherent, but I doubt that it is possible.

 

7 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

French battleships - not an overly awkward line, but gun counts and gun layouts are all over the place up and down the line, making a lot of playstyle variances along the way.

It is true that the French have 4 stage:

-Old Battleship (Turenne, Courbet) with wing turrets.

-Super Dreadnought (Bretagne, Normandie, Lyon) with loads of guns, mid ship turret and awkward firing angle.

-Modern BB (Richelieu, Alsace) with their main fire power in the Front

-République with it 2x4 like Gascogne.

It is somewhat a weird line, but it is mainly due to some design choice: Normandie could have been replace by Strasbourg and Lyon by some Richelieu concept ships to keep an all forward coherence, but they went with the old French design and tweek them to make them usable (no way Lyon or Normandie were going that fast).

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I agree the German cruiser line lacks cohesion. With 4 sets of torpedo tubes &  rear turrets able to traverse 360 the Nurnberg is easier to play.

Rather than a split in the German cruiser line I would think replacing the Roon with a ship that has 2 forward turrets & one aft would do.

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