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This is the first time I'm posting on the World of Warships forum but this is because I am fed up with waiting 3 years for Italian battleships. I'm just here to voice my thoughts.

Why? Honestly why? We only just got our first Italian Line (the cruisers) less than a year ago even though Italy was one of the largest navies throughout the 20th century. Italy had the 6th largest navy in WW1 and the 4th largest navy in WW2. 

This is my take on the Regina Marina's capital ship line.

Strengths

- All ships carry SAP ammunition

- Good ballistics, great ballistics at higher tiers

- Ships tier 6 and above get "defensive AA fire" consumable

- Very impressive detectability

- Powerful and accurate secondaries

Weaknesses

- Utterly mediocre AA 

- Small health pools

- Main batteries lack HE

- Secondaries lack range

- Guns can be very inaccurate at times

Tier III

Napoli - Cuniberti's "Ideal Battleship" design

Corazzate Italiane - A take on the Italian Battleship Tree ...

Main Guns

(4x2)(4x1) 305 mm/46 Model 1909 [12 inch guns]

32 sec reload/1.87 rpm

52 sec 180° turret traverse

12.8 km firing range

Secondary Guns

(12x1) 120 mm guns [4.7 inch guns]

7.5 sec reload/8 rpm

3.2 km firing range

(6x1) 76.2 mm guns [3 inch guns]

4 sec reload/15 rpm

3.2 km firing range

Maneuverability

22.01 knots

14.5 sec rudder shift

Detectability

9.23 km surface detectability

4.50 km air detectability

Consumables
Repair Party
Ship Repair

Napoli will be the only battleship in World of Warships with a combination of single and double barreled guns, it's up to Wargaming to make this layout frustrating or enjoyable to use. 

 

Tier IV

Dante Alighieri - Italy's First Dreadnought

 

Blueprints > Ships > Ships (Italy) > RN Dante Alighieri ...

Main Guns

(4x3) 305 mm/46 Model 1909 [12 inch guns]

32 sec reload/1.87 rpm

56 sec 180° turret traverse

15.6 km firing range

Secondary Guns

(4x2)(12x1) 120 mm guns [4.7 inch guns]

7 sec reload/8.57 rpm

3.9 km firing range

(13x1) 76.2 mm guns [3 inch guns]

3.5 sec reload/17.14 rpm

3.9 km firing range

Maneuverability

22.3 knots 

14 sec rudder shift 

Detectability

12.1 km surface detectability

7.1 km air detectability

Consumables
Repair Party
Ship Repair

Dante Alighieri should feature a very similar play-style to Gangut as Italian design heavily influenced Russian ship building. AA batteries would be implemented in Hull B, the 1924 refit.

 

Tier V

Conte Di Cavour - Pre modernization 

Italian battleship Conte di Cavour - Alchetron, the free social ...

Main Guns

(3x3)(2x2) 305 mm/46 Model 1909 [12 inch guns]

30 sec reload/2 rpm

45 sec 180° turret traverse

16.1 km firing range

Secondary Guns

(18x1) 120 mm guns [4.7 inch guns]

5.8 sec reload/10.34 rpm

4.1 km firing range

(14x1) 76.2 mm guns [3 inch guns]

3.5 sec reload/17.14 rpm

4.1 km firing range

Maneuverability

21.5 knots

13.5 sec rudder shift

Detectability

12.5 km surface detectability

7.1 km air detectability

Consumables
Repair Party
Ship Repair
Conte Di Cavour is what Giulio Cesare was before her modernization which made her unrecognizable, I figure this ship could fit in as a sub-par Tier V. Again, AA batteries would be implemented in Hull B or C or whatever, as the 1925 refitted version.

 

Tier VI

Andrea Doria - Italy's Seventh Favorite Battleship

CAIO DUILIO battleships (1915 - 1916)

Main Guns

(2x2)(2x3) 320 mm Model 1934 naval gun [12.6 inch guns]

26 sec reload/2.3 rpm

18.0 km firing range

30 sec 180° turret traverse

Secondary Guns

(4x3) 135 mm guns [5.3 inch guns]

6 sec reload/10 rpm

5 km firing range

(10x1) 90 mm guns [3.5 inch guns]

3 sec reload/20 rpm

5 km firing range

AA Batteries

(6x2)(3x1) 37 mm

69.6 average damage per sec

3.51 km range

(8x2) 20 mm

27.2 average damage per sec

2.01 km range

(12x1) 90 mm

102 average damage per sec

3.35 km range

Maneuverability

26.5 knots

13 sec rudder shift 

Detectability

12.7 km surface detectability

7.8 air detectability

Consumables
Repair Party
Ship Repair
Defensive AA
Spotter/Fighter

Andrea Doria will take Dunkerque's spot as smallest guns for a tier 6 battleship, although these guns will perform very well against other Tier 6 ships because of their accuracy and high velocity. When facing Tier 8 Battleships you will want to use SAP most of the time.

 

Tier VII

Francesco Caracciolo - Italy's Battleship-Battlecruiser Crossbreed

Francesco Caracciolo gets a little tough because she was never built and therefore never modified, only the hypothetical refit could fit at Tier 7 and people have devised a number of them. Some of which I really like so I will showcase the ones I thought looked the best.

https://www.deviantart.com/morgansshipyard/art/Caracciolo-1949-756498470

 
Caracciolo, 1949 by MorgansShipyard on DeviantArt
Proposal for tier 7 and 10 of the Italian battleships - Other ...
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Main Guns

(4x2) Cannone Navale Da 381/40 mm [15 inch guns]

28 sec reload/2.14 rpm

19.7 km firing range

30 sec 180° turret traverse

Secondary Guns

Variant 1:

(6x3) 135 mm guns [5.3 inch guns]

6 sec reload/10 rpm

5.2 km firing range

(12x1) 90 mm guns [3.5 inch guns]

3 sec reload/20 rpm

5.2 km firing range

Variant 2:

(4x2)(4x2) 120 mm guns [4.7 inch guns]

5 sec reload/12 rpm

5.2 km firing range

(2x2) 100 mm guns [4 inch guns]

3.8 sec reload/15.78 rpm

5.2 km firing range

Variant 3:

(2x2)(4x2) 120 mm guns [4.7 inch guns]

5 sec reload/12 rpm

5.2 km firing range

(8x1) 90 mm guns [3.5 inch guns]

3 sec reload/20 rpm

5.2 km firing range

AA Batteries

Variant 1:

(8x2) 37 mm 

37.8 average damage per second

3.8 km range

Variant 2:

(10x2) 20 mm 

27.2 average damage per second

2.01 km range

(2x2)(4x1) 37 mm

37.8 average damage per second

3.6 km range

(2x2) 100 mm 

26.8 average damage per second

4.14 km range

Variant 3:

(19x2) 20 mm 

54 average damage per sec

1.98 km range

(7x1) 37 mm guns

34.1 average damage per sec

3 km range

(8x1) 90 mm 

114 average damage per sec

3.22 km range

(2x2) 100 mm 

100 average damage per sec

4.11 km range

Maneuverability

32.5 knots

15.6 sec rudder shift

Detectability

14.99 km surface detectability

9.7 km air detectability

Consumables
Repair Party
Ship Repair
Defensive AA
Spotter/Fighter

Francesco Caracciolo should play as a counter to the premium battleship Hood, because she features the same amount firepower and similar armor plating. Francesco Caracciolo should be very balanced for Tier 7.

Tier VIII

Littorio - Italy's Most Modern Battleship

 
 
VITTORIO VENETO battleships (1940 - 1942)
Main Guns
(3x3) Cannone da 381/50 Ansaldo M1934 [15 inch guns]
32 sec reload/1.81 rpm
25.1 km firing range
34 sec 180° turret traverse
Secondary Guns
(4x3) 152 mm guns [6 inch guns]
8 sec reload/7.5 rpm
6 km firing range
(12x1) 90 mm guns [3.5 inch guns
3 sec reload/20 rpm
6 km firing range
(4x1) 120 mm guns [4.7 inch guns]
4 sec reload/15 rpm
6 km range
AA Batteries
(4x1) 120 mm
150 average damage per sec
4.9 km range
(12x1) 90 mm
110 average damage per sec
3.8 km range
(8x2)(4x1) 37 mm
35 average damage per sec
3.5 km range
(10x2) 20 mm 
54 average damage per sec
2 km range
Maneuverability
30 knots
13.9 sec rudder shift
Detectability
14.99 km surface detectability
10.2 km air detectability
Consumables
Repair Party
Ship Repair
Defensive AA
Spotter/Fighter
Littorio should obviously feature very similar gameplay to Roma although having some minor differences like her improved range and secondary performance. Very impressive penetration and very impressive range.
 

Tier IX

Firenze - UP-41, Littorio XL

Italian Battleship Proposal - Off-Topic - World of Warships ...
 
Main guns
(3x3) 406 mm guns [16 inch guns]
32 sec reload/1.81 rpm
23.6 km firing range
30 sec 180° turret traverse
Secondary Guns
(4x3) 152 mm guns [6 inch guns]
8 sec reload/7.5 rpm
6.5 km range
(12x2) 90 mm guns [3.5 inch guns]
3 sec reload/20 rpm
6.5 km range
AA Batteries
(12x2) 90 mm
155 average damage per sec
5 km range
(6x2) 37 mm
42 average damage per sec
3.4 km range
(2x2)(16x1) 20 mm
60 average damage per sec
2.9 km range
Maneuverability
30 knots
15.5 sec rudder shift
Detectability
15 km surface detectability
10.1 km air detectability
Consumables
Repair Party
Ship Repair
Defensive AA
Spotter/Fighter
Firenze should play as a very stealthy Soyuz-type battleship, large citadel, but very powerful guns, best of any battleship in the tier (maybe not Musashi). She will be somewhat tanky, and retain very effective secondary batteries.
 

Tier X

Italia - Littorio XXL or Andrea Doria XXXXL

Italia can be one of two possibilities, a larger version of Firenze or an enlarged version of Firenze with an Andrea Doria layout.

 

Main Guns
Variant 1:
(3x3) 431 mm guns [17 inch guns]
30 sec reload/2 rpm
24.1 km firing range
30 sec 180° turret traverse
Variant 2:
(2x2)(2x3) 431 mm guns [17 inch guns
32 sec reload
24.7 km firing range
30 sec 180° turret traverse
Secondary Guns
Variant 1: 
(3x3) 152 mm guns [6 inch guns]
8 sec reload/7.5 rpm
6.7 km firing range
(18x2) 90 mm guns [3.5 inch guns]
3 sec reload/7.5 rpm
6.7 km firing range
Variant 2:
(4x3) 152 mm guns [6 inch guns]
8 sec reload/7.5 rpm
6.8 km firing range
(14x2) 90 mm guns [3.5 inch guns]
3 sec reload/20 rpm
6.8 km firing range
AA Batteries
not quite sure
maybe some of these
torretta stabilizzata per 4 complessi da 20
Maneuverability
30 knots
13.9 sec rudder shift
Detectability
15.1 km surface detectability
11.1 km air detectability
Consumables
Repair Party
Ship Repair
Defensive AA
Spotter/Fighter
 
Keep in mind, Italia will be completely made up. If she has Littorio's ballistics, she should be a very balanced ship for Tier 10.
 
 
Let me know what you guys think of this, I personally think this line would fit great into World of Warships, but obviously wargaming will ignore me. 
 
Also if someone can tell me what program people use to draw the warships like the Firenze photo, comment the link below, because I can devise a blueprint for both Italia variants.

 

 

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It takes time to get permissions for things like that...but now that Italy has been "breached" expect more lines...SOON™ :-)

They don't just launch a bunch of lines from the same nation all at once.

They will get around to them...it takes time to model a whole line of ships & they have stated that subs are their major priority so it might be a minute...& they might have a DD line come out 1st...which will put the BBs on the back burner even longer. You never know.

I haven't read any Deb blogs so no idea what plans they have in the works.

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57 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

It takes time to get permissions for things like that...but now that Italy has been "breached" expect more lines...SOON™ :-)

They don't just launch a bunch of lines from the same nation all at once.

They will get around to them...it takes time to model a whole line of ships & they have stated that subs are their major priority so it might be a minute...& they might have a DD line come out 1st...which will put the BBs on the back burner even longer. You never know.

I haven't read any Deb blogs so no idea what plans they have in the works.

I know the cycle was recently EU destroyers, Soviet Cruiser Split, German CVs and upcoming American BBs, but after this round hopefully it will be Italian BBs along with another Destroyer, cruiser and possibly carrier line. 

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You have to remember this is the gang who couldn't shoot straight.  Russian cruiser split was prioritized to cater to their Russian player base.  I am at a loss to find any sense in the German CV line.  I've heard no one clamoring for a German CV and if you were around when the first one was sold years ago you would wonder how they had the nerve to introduce more.  FLAMBASS with his 15km AP rocket demonstration is making WOW look kinda stupid.  The US Battleship line split is a real nonstarter.  They catered to the power creep train of thought with big, powerful, SLOW ships.  I've been looking for Italian ships for a long, long time.  I bought the first one, the Duca D' Acosta and was sadly disappointed.  Its the only Premium ship I've ever sold.

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It has always been mentioned that WG has had a tough time getting naval drawings from the Italian government, hence the delays getting full Italian tech trees into the game.

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17 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

It has always been mentioned that WG has had a tough time getting naval drawings from the Italian government, hence the delays getting full Italian tech trees into the game.

The American authorJames Sadkovich Spent months camped out in the archives...in the 90s. This excuse was brought to you by the same company that pissed off the UK MoD and needlessly delayed British tech trees by months. Completely fabricated such ships as the Zao. Etc. Please stop spreading disinformation. 

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54 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said:

The American authorJames Sadkovich Spent months camped out in the archives...in the 90s. This excuse was brought to you by the same company that pissed off the UK MoD and needlessly delayed British tech trees by months. Completely fabricated such ships as the Zao. Etc. Please stop spreading disinformation. 

I'm just telling the OP what WG has told us in the past.  I never mentioned if it was truthful or not.

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2 hours ago, Ace_04 said:

I'm just telling the OP what WG has told us in the past.  I never mentioned if it was truthful or not.

Well it has been shot down so many times it is incumbent upon you to stop sharing disinformation instead of making excuses for why you did. 

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41 minutes ago, SparvieroVV said:

Well it has been shot down so many times it is incumbent upon you to stop sharing disinformation instead of making excuses for why you did. 

Well then, my apologies.  Didn't realize I was being cross-examined in a court of law.

Silly me thought this was a casual forum for a moment there.  Glad we were able to suck all the fun out of the room.

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1 hour ago, CorvetteKaptain67 said:

Getting back to the topic at hand.

I'd rather see Italian Battleships, than more Russian battleships. 

I don't mind them.  Sure, they're mostly paper designs, but where else are you going to see Russian naval ambitions put down into something you can see and play?

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This Tier 9 is the same as Agostino Barbarigo proposed by Criseox, right?

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Tier 9: Agostino Barbarigo

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/aaminis/italian-bb1936-up41-done-t32280.html

(Image courtesy: Manolojones)

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Why: The logic of the Littorio, even the first plans of these were in the sense of increasing the artillery plant to 406 mm towers. There is no doubt that with or without German help the Italians could have designed these guns and built what would ultimately be super Littorio. The best clue we have is the UP41 project created for Soviet Russia in that ancient tradition between the two nations on naval matters. The UP41 may not be the super Littorio that the Italians would have made but it would certainly have looked quite similar. This idea is not ours but it has been floating around the network for a long time, what happens is that the Crystal Ball team agrees with them. The link under the name that is usually to wikipedia is in this case to a forum where this ship is discussed (In English). What is ours is the name of Agostino Barbarigo, it is that of a heroic Venetian admiral who commanded the left wing of the Holy League in the Battle of Lepanto and who died heroically in combat.

How: With a battery of nine 406 mm guns and a speed of 32 knots it is clear that it is a ship that reminds of the Iowa, it is somewhat shorter, slightly slower, more maneuverable and with worse antiaircraft artillery.

Main characteristics: Displacement 46,000 tons. Armament: 9 x 406 mm. Speed: 32 knots.

Possible Premium: The truth is unlikely

Curiosities: The Italian influence on the Russian navy was very intense in the first half of the 20th century (the era of Wows) not only in terms of battleships such as the Gangut or the Imperators but also in terms of cruisers and destroyers. This collaboration was not completely interrupted even when Italy embraced fascism while Russia became communist. Cooperation enthusiastically resumed after the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, but from that point on Stalin preferred German help and influence. Evidently the German declaration of war interrupted this strange cooperation.

(Source: https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/89038-nuevos-acorazados-italianos/)

For Tier 10 I also like the 431mm (17-inch) gun variant:

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Tier 10: Michelangelo Buonarroti

As it would have been a tier 10 Italian is an election.We have chosen two things.

The first is the appearance.

We think it was very common that cruisers and battleships tended to look very similar.

Therefore the last Italian battleship should have resembled the last Italian cruiser the anti-aircraft cruiser Etna

The second is the caliber,

when we developed our vessel we did not know that the 17-inch caliber was going to be implemented

in the French battleships. But we already thought it was the right caliber for an Italian tier 10

 

What we have not finished deciding is the final configuration. Our first idea was that it was the same as the Littorio class.

It is a fast battleship, agile and forceful by the bow 9 x 341 mm

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Our second favorite is a configuration similar to the Cavour class with ten 431 mm guns.

A battleship very, very balanced.

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(Source: https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/93363-proposal-for-tier-7-and-10-of-the-italian-battleships/)

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On 8/29/2020 at 10:21 PM, _Marines said:

This Tier 9 is the same as Agostino Barbarigo proposed by Criseox, right?

(Source: https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/89038-nuevos-acorazados-italianos/)

For Tier 10 I also like the 431mm (17-inch) gun variant:

(Source: https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/93363-proposal-for-tier-7-and-10-of-the-italian-battleships/)

Oh wow, I never visit the EU forum, but I see this is identical to my proposal... except they designed created it. That's exactly what I would like to see in game!

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Looking Forward to this when it Happens....    For anyone that hadn't Heard, it just Posted a few Hours ago....

 

Liking my Roma, maybe I'll get a Crack at the Giulio after all when this Happens...   

 

If the Upper Tiers continue along this Line of Play, I think I'll be in Good Shape....     I Hope....    lol

 

This was my more Recent game in mine from Today...

 

 

No, I'm not Good, and yes, it's CoOp...    But like it says, it's ALL a Work in Progress from the Ship Modules to the Commander Skills and When and Where to Shoot....

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