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If any ship is driving around with AA on, you are able to hit it at least once. Think you're doing something wrong mate.

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7 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

AA is now to strong and carrier planes from lexington,  fast planes cant even get close to release torps  to a scharnhorst before all eight are shot out of the sky

went to rocket plane a friesland and AA on a %^&*  Destroyer shot down a whole 8 planes  before getting close enough to target, and not other ships were even close to add AA to it as well.  that ship needs a huge nerf.

Wargaming if your putting more carriers into the game then make them playable ,

Im sure dd  would hate it if their 2 second firing guns were always made incapacitated. every time they fire,   This is what carriers are up against. They cant fire and jsut get planes destroyed and have to go back for more and while we all know you hate the "sky  cancer"  it should be so that they can at least participate in a game instead of being constantly blown out of the sky and made into an overpriced spotter plane.  AA needs to be looked at again for all ships at higher tier because its just gotten rediculous in the amount of  and how powerful the AA has become.

Specially on the friesland.  Sure it doesnt have smoke but  you shouldnt make it totally invulnerable to being shot at , this is what carrier planes are up against.  NO SHIP should be untouchable by any one ship.  The AA on the friesland makes it untouchable.

even worse if the team has 2 freislands in a 2 destroyer  team.  its a destroyer and shouldnt have cruiser capability to shoot down 8 planes before they can fire.  Four planes maybe but not eight. Use your logic on this one.

Wargaming this is your fault , Damn well fix it.

 

AA should be stronger and certain ships should be absolute no fly zones. As for Freisland. Good. We need destroyers in this game which arent just instantly gone the moment a CV turns their eye on them. Sorry CV players, but you shouldnt have your way with EVERY ship. 

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While i respect  your opinion   Merc_R_Us,  its not been my experience.

 

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5 minutes ago, JSFWRX85 said:

 

AA should be stronger and certain ships should be absolute no fly zones. As for Freisland. Good. We need destroyers in this game which arent just instantly gone the moment a CV turns their eye on them. Sorry CV players, but you shouldnt have your way with EVERY ship. 

no Destroyer is immune if a larger ship decides to target it no matter what class it is.  but they should be able to fire their guns on it right ?  or they should be able to release bombs, rockets or torpedoes on it right,  at least once, before getting to the target to be able to release those ordinance.  Friesland doesnt allow you to do that. its invulnerable to carrier planes and cant be touched because the Atlanta AA for a destroyer, rediculous.  A destroyer built for antisub work.

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21 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

no Destroyer is immune if a larger ship decides to target it no matter what class it is.  but they should be able to fire their guns on it right ?  or they should be able to release bombs, rockets or torpedoes on it right,  at least once, before getting to the target to be able to release those ordinance.  Friesland doesnt allow you to do that. its invulnerable to carrier planes and cant be touched.

a DD can open fire on any BB in the game, stay close to their max fire range and dodge. Sure they might get hit with a shell, but chances are that shell is just gonna overpen doing what 1200 damage? Sure cruisers are an issue, but cruisers are suppose to counter DDs so they should be an issue. A DD can just try and scout; plane flies overhead, drops their rockets or bombs and there is 10k health gone. All the while the DD cant shoot back at the CV unless he is actively chasing him. Sorry, but if the Friesland shoots down all your planes, just pick another target. Certain ships with good AA should absolute shred your planes especially when those ships are higher tiers.

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Just imagine how it would be if your CV couldn't conduct air ops if it was on fire, or under direct fire from other ships.  Imagine is you didnt have auto pilot and had to drive your own ship.  Imagine if your CV has to be moving in a straight line full speed to launch and recover aircraft because aircraft cant land if your WASD hacking..

 

It's the most kid friendly, overly simplified, brain dead mechanic ever in the history of gaming.  

 

If you cant be a half-donkey'd OK airport player, then you need to check the mirror because WeeGee couldn't have made it more simpler..

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16 minutes ago, JSFWRX85 said:

A DD can just try and scout, plane flies overhead, drops their rockets or bombs and there is 10k health gone. All the while the DD cant shoot back at the CV unless he is actively chasing him. Sorry, but if the Friesland shoots down all your planes, just pick another target. Certain ships with good AA should absolute shred your planes especially when those ships are higher tiers.

and of course if the friesland attacks the carrier and tries to sink it , there  is no defence for the carrier as all the planes will be shot down as their is no balance , no defence  as the carrier planes cant get close to it. so how level playing field is that!!  its like saying a montana cant sink a friesland as the friesland  has a force field around it that it cant be hit by montana shells. 

So if i cant even hit the friesland then go on to the Des moines as it has the same level of AA.  

The tier 10 gearing has 52 level AA  thats the same level as tier 8 Oland at 53 or the teir 9  the ostergotland at 53

but the tier 9 friesland at 83 and the tier 10  smaland  at 85  is way overpowered AA 

On the same tier the smaland in tier 10 compared to the gearing has 61% more AA than the gearing.  its cruiser AA and its totally OP

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2 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

and of course if the friesland attacks the carrier and tries to sink it , there  is no defence for the carrier as all the planes will be shot down as their is no balance , no defence  as the carrier planes cant get close to it. so how level playing field is that!!  

 

If a DD is attacking the carrier, i believe this says more for the team's position, lack of counter DD play, bad positioning by the CV and a million other things (e.g. cap possession).

Good/bad AA at this point shouldn't make a difference.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

and of course if the friesland attacks the carrier and tries to sink it , there  is no defence for the carrier as all the planes will be shot down as their is no balance , no defence  as the carrier planes cant get close to it. so how level playing field is that!!  its like saying a montana cant sink a friesland as the friesland  has a force field around it that it cant be hit by montana shells. 

So if i cant even hit the friesland then go on to the Des moines as it has the same level of AA.  

The tier 10 gearing has 52 level AA  thats the same level as tier 8 Oland at 53 or the teir 9  the ostergotland at 53

but the tier 9 friesland at 83 and the tier 10  smaland  at 85  is way overpowered AA 

On the same tier the smaland in tier 10 compared to the gearing has 61% more AA than the gearing.

 

level playing field? The CV class is so far above every other ship type in this game in terms of advantage. Can you even stop flight ops with fires anymore? 

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ITS NOT ABOUT GOOD OR BAD PLAY, IF THE FRIESLAND OR THE SMALAND ATTACKS A CARRIER THERE IS NO DEFENCE AGAINST IT PERIOD IF ITS PLANES ARRE SHRED BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO TARGET. UNLESS  YOUR A GERMAN CARRIER WITH LONG RANGE SECONDARIES.

 

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1 minute ago, DevilD0g said:

ITS NOT ABOUT GOOD OR BAD PLAY, IF THE FRIESLAND OR THE SMALAND ATTACKS A CARRIER THERE IS NO DEFENCE AGAINST IT PERIOD. UNLESS  YOUR A GERMAN CARRIER WITH LONG RANGE SECONDARIES.

 

you are complaining about 1 tech tree worth of dds. How many Tech tree DD lines have virtually no defense against CVs? My guess, far more DDs are susceptible to air attack then arent. 

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YES im making a statement about it as they are OVERPOWERED. AND INVULNERABLE TO ATTACK.  As destroyers they should be able to take "Some" damage  but shouldnt be able to shoot down a whole squadron of 8 planes.  who realistic is that!!!!!!!

Im also saying that NO Destroyer Tech tree should be invulnerable to attack as they constantly hunt carriers, so if there is no defence against them, ie the friesland,  how fair is that!!!

id never pay $200 bucks to get a friesland but still they are overpowered.

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18 minutes ago, Farm_Fresh_Eggs said:

Just imagine how it would be if your CV couldn't conduct air ops if it was on fire.

actually use to be the case during the RTS days, one of the ways of shutting down a CV from recovering/launching planes was setting the deck on fire.

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3 minutes ago, 9TenSix2Eight said:

 

AA too strong? are you serious? :cap_popcorn:

When  you actually  get some carriers, then you can comment

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Just now, DevilD0g said:

YES im making a statement about it as they are OVERPOWERED. AND INVULNERABLE TO ATTACK.  As destroyers they should be able to take "Some" damage  but shouldnt be able to shoot down a whole squadron of 8 planes.  who realistic is that!!!!!!!

id never pay $200 bucks to get a friesland but still they are overpowered.

 Im sure Tier X CVs can strike her. Again, as a CV player you cannot have your way with EVERY ship. There should be some you stay clear of. If you are having this issue with her or other Pan-European DDs, stay clear of them. Sorry but DDs are already largely at the mercy of CVs, its great seeing a few who can actually fight back. 

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Just now, JSFWRX85 said:

 Im sure Tier X CVs can strike her. Again, as a CV player you cannot have your way with EVERY ship. There should be some you stay clear of. If you are having this issue with her or other Pan-European DDs, stay clear of them. Sorry but DDs are already largely at the mercy of CVs, its great seeing a few who can actually fight back. 

Fighting back  is what destroyers already do to carriers and regularly hunt them down, i have no issue with that.  but being invulnerable to attack if they are hunting you then that is an issue.

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3 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

YES im making a statement about it as they are OVERPOWERED. AND INVULNERABLE TO ATTACK.  As destroyers they should be able to take "Some" damage  but shouldnt be able to shoot down a whole squadron of 8 planes.  who realistic is that!!!!!!!

id never pay $200 bucks to get a friesland but still they are overpowered.

hey bud..I guess you just need to adopt the changes in game...You know how broken CVs are and there is no counter to it...no wonder you get mad if certain ships u cant kill with your unlimited planes and being safe across the map...sorry but i did check your stats to your cv gameplay..YOU need to improve bud bfor you start complaining how AA is too strong this days brother..No disrespect but you are just talking nonsense ..maybe WG will back you up since you love cv's ..Goodluck fellow captain o>.

 

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2 hours ago, DevilD0g said:

AA is now to strong and carrier planes from lexington,  fast planes cant even get close to release torps  to a scharnhorst before all eight are shot out of the sky

went to rocket plane a friesland and AA on a %^&*  Destroyer shot down a whole 8 planes  before getting close enough to target, and not other ships were even close to add AA to it as well.  that ship needs a huge nerf.

Wargaming if your putting more carriers into the game then make them playable ,

Im sure dd  would hate it if their 2 second firing guns were always made incapacitated. every time they fire,   This is what carriers are up against. They cant fire and jsut get planes destroyed and have to go back for more and while we all know you hate the "sky  cancer"  it should be so that they can at least participate in a game instead of being constantly blown out of the sky and made into an overpriced spotter plane.  AA needs to be looked at again for all ships at higher tier because its just gotten rediculous in the amount of  and how powerful the AA has become.

Specially on the friesland.  Sure it doesnt have smoke but  you shouldnt make it totally invulnerable to being shot at , this is what carrier planes are up against.  NO SHIP should be untouchable by any one ship.  The AA on the friesland makes it untouchable.

even worse if the team has 2 freislands in a 2 destroyer  team.  its a destroyer and shouldnt have cruiser capability to shoot down 8 planes before they can fire.  Four planes maybe but not eight. Use your logic on this one.

its an out of ww2 era ship built in the 1950s and designed for jet aircraft anti air not   prop planes so its AA is designed for next gen aircraft  not slow prop planes.

its got a stock AA level of 83 which can be made higher with mods.  it has the same stock level of AA as the usn tier 10 cruiser Des moines.  and its a destroyer !!! 

TIER 9 AND 10 EURO DESTROYERS ARE WAY OP. FOR AA.

I DONT SEE THE POINT OF TIER 10 CARRIERS ANY MORE.

Wargaming this is your fault , Damn well fix it.

That's why you don't fly into a cluster of a half-dozen ships. What you should be doing instead is singling out people who aren't in the middle of a bunch of overlapping AA bubbles.

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Just now, 1Sherman said:

That's why you don't fly into a cluster of a half-dozen ships. What you should be doing in singling out people who aren't in the middle of a bunch of overlapping AA bubbles.

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6 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

YES im making a statement about it as they are OVERPOWERED. AND INVULNERABLE TO ATTACK.  As destroyers they should be able to take "Some" damage  but shouldnt be able to shoot down a whole squadron of 8 planes.  who realistic is that!!!!!!!

Im also saying that NO Destroyer Tech tree should be invulnerable to attack as they constantly hunt carriers, so if there is no defence against them  (1) , ie the friesland,  how fair is that!!!

id never pay $200 bucks to get a friesland (2) but still they are overpowered.

 

1. Its a team game.  Park the CV behind the team.  No one boat should be able to Rambo.

2. I got the Friesland for 1 silver. Try using free XP.  

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I hate to say it but with regards flak clouds, "just dodge..."

You can make them appear in out of the way places since they're trying to predict your possible path. Slowing down, speeding up, turning left and right all throw off the aim of flak clouds so once you get within medium/short AA range you can just make an attack run.

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2 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

Fighting back  is what destroyers already do to carriers and regularly hunt them down, i have no issue with that.  but being invulnerable to attack if they are hunting you then that is an issue.

not at the start of the match. CVs can strike from the back without being shot in return for a while. Unless your team royally screws up map control its going to be a while before a DD breaks through and starts CV hunting. Meanwhile your planes are free to hit DDs without repercussions short of losing planes. 

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There are just some ships you don't drop. Halland and Friesland are among them. CVs should not be able to drop everything. That's not balanced. I play all classes of ships, including CVs and I still find the CV/DD interactions to be hugely in favor of CV. 

Not sure why you aren't able to drop a scharnhorst in a lexington. I can drop her in Ryujo, Kaga, and Saipan reliably (I don't have lexington yet), usually for multiple drops if I can get her alone. Maybe you aren't avoiding the flak cloulds? That's the most likely explanation. Possibly she had other ships around that you didn't see until it was too late. 

AA is definitely not too strong. Possibly still on the weak side. Hard for me to make a definitive statement as I am still new to CV. 

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