Us Coast Guard Against Naval Invasion?

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

Who would Win in a Battle I would say the coast guard would lose because it only has a 57mm gun and a Ciws

But its your Choice :/

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

Well 57mm and ciws on its National Security Cutters  :Smile_trollface:

[cmcpaulinc]

buy some railguns and your ok

[NargilFenris]

Against who? You are leaving this wide open with a lot of variables.

[Jracule]

[Super_Dreadnought]

We need to know WHO is being put up against the US coastguard.

 

A mutinuous USN pacific fleet?

 

China, Russia, Europe, Japan coalition?

 

Nepal?

 

Aliens?

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

China

[Super_Dreadnought]

So the US coastguard alone vs the entirety of the increasingly powerful Chinese fleet...

 

My money is on China in that case.

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

Lol ;F

[Eaglecorps911]

Wow ok, china really? USCG would not be able to stave off the chinese naval fleet invasion alone. However add the USN into it, now were talking.

[Battleship_Unknown2]

Chinese would beat the Coast Guard. In fact, the coasties would have a hard time with any modern, missile-armed power. Germany, Russia, France, Italy, Britain, etc. would all whup them good.

[jatzi]

Yeah coast guard I think arent supposed to stave off invasions. Thats the navies job. The Coast guard just supports, and patrols and stuff like that. Am I wrong? Chinese navy vs US Navy and then you have a good topic. Id say us in most areas around the world just because we have more aircraft carriers and bases around the world to provide air support as well. In chinese waters though different story.

[Windhover118]

The Coast Gaurd would win because in the event of war the Coast Gaurd falls under the command of the Department of the Navy so in turn the Coast Gaurd would have the entire US Navy and Marine Corps helping to defeat the invasion.

 

edit: The scenario depends on alot of factors. If it was just the coast gaurd then it would probably be akin to the US Asiatic fleet attempting to stop the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, lots of defeats punctuated by occasional success. It also depends on how much prep time the Coast Gaurd has, given enough time some of the Coast Gaurd patrol craft could be outfitted with heavy weapons and torpedoes and used as fast attack craft. Maybe even modify some C-130s into AC-130 Spectre Gunships. Assuming its the Chinese we can expect them to have little to no air support (according to them their carrier is for training only) so Coast Gaurd Helicopters and Planes could be used to effectivly scout the disposition of enemy forces. Then we also have to consider the competance of the Chinese Navy which is an unknown at this point.

[Battleship_Unknown2]

Windhover118, on 09 February 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

The Coast Gaurd would win because in the event of war the Coast Gaurd falls under the command of the Department of the Navy so in turn the Coast Gaurd would have the entire US Navy and Marine Corps helping to defeat the invasion.

edit: The scenario depends on alot of factors. If it was just the coast gaurd then it would probably be akin to the US Asiatic fleet attempting to stop the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, lots of defeats punctuated by occasional success. It also depends on how much prep time the Coast Gaurd has, given enough time some of the Coast Gaurd patrol craft could be outfitted with heavy weapons and torpedoes and used as fast attack craft. Maybe even modify some C-130s into AC-130 Spectre Gunships. Assuming its the Chinese we can expect them to have little to no air support (according to them their carrier is for training only) so Coast Gaurd Helicopters and Planes could be used to effectivly scout the disposition of enemy forces. Then we also have to consider the competance of the Chinese Navy which is an unknown at this point.

The Legend class boats are essentially modern frigates, and probably would not do bad in battle if they were properly equipped.

Honestly, though, the entire scenario as described by this thread is utter silliness. I would much prefer to debate something along the lines of: theoretical world war III; U.S., Australia, Canada, UK, Japan and Germany vs. the rest of the world -- who wins?

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

We really need to Equip The Coast guard with some Missles 1 small gun and a ciws wont cut it

[Windhover118]

tankwarhammer9000, on 09 February 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

We really need to Equip The Coast guard with some Missles 1 small gun and a ciws wont cut it

The Coast Gaurd isnt meant to operate by itself in major military operations though, they are meant to patroll the Coast, enforce US Martime Law, respond to natural disasters and help ships and people in distress. The Coast Gaurd does participate in military operations but that is usually as a support role for a larger military force. The Coast Gaurd often deployes over seas providing port security along with other duties.

[Krieg]

Coast Guard has no ASW abilities so without USN help, they lose.

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

Windhover118, on 09 February 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

The Coast Guard isn't meant to operate by itself in major military operations though, they are meant to patrol the Coast, enforce US Mar-time Law, respond to natural disasters and help ships and people in distress. The Coast Gaurd does participate in military operations but that is usually as a support role for a larger military force. The Coast Guard often deploys over seas providing port security along with other duties.

i guess? But i would still add it due to a fact if the navy is completely destroyed So the Coast guard would act like a sort of back up navy

[NargilFenris]

If a war were to occur that needed the Coast Guard to act as a force multiplier for the Navy then you could bet they would start outfitting our cutters with different weapons. However our cutters are designed around different concepts from Navy ships. Those being sea keeping ability, endurance, and multi-mission capabilities. Sea keeping meaning the ability to ride through rough seas and storms, endurance being how long they can stay out without the need to refuel and multi-mission meaning the ability to switch from say chasing a drug runner to search and rescue to oil containment. Really if you want to know what we would be like during a war just look to WW2 and Vietnam for examples.

[Windhover118]

tankwarhammer9000, on 09 February 2013 - 11:37 PM, said:

i guess? But i would still add it due to a fact if the navy is completely destroyed So the Coast guard would act like a sort of back up navy

The Navy being completely destroyed is a very unrealistic scenario, if and I stress if the Navy lost all of its active combat units we still have the reserve fleet we could fall back to.

[Super_Dreadnought]

To get a US Coastguards vs PLAN invasion fleet scenario we probably have to assume that the USN is completely FUBAR.

 

Because yeah, aliens...

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

xD Hello there favorite forum using About Aliens I want to see some now o.o

[Eaglecorps911]

Windhover118, on 09 February 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

The Navy being completely destroyed is a very unrealistic scenario, if and I stress if the Navy lost all of its active combat units we still have the reserve fleet we could fall back to.

That and the mothball fleets that we have and dont forget the BB's in museum state. You can bet the US government and USN would certainly seize and upgrade as fast as possible while in the meantime all drydocks would turn into building replacement ships xD. I know last ditch effort but still those ships in mothball and museum state are still ship worthy if you ask me anyway.

[Windhover118]

Eaglecorps911, on 10 February 2013 - 04:58 AM, said:

That and the mothball fleets that we have and dont forget the BB's in museum state. You can bet the US government and USN would certainly seize and upgrade as fast as possible while in the meantime all drydocks would turn into building replacement ships xD. I know last ditch effort but still those ships in mothball and museum state are still ship worthy if you ask me anyway.

The mothball fleet makes up most of the reserve fleet. Many of those decomissioned ships are kept up so they can be brought back online should the need ever arrise. The Mothball fleet includes cruisers, destroyers and even a few carriers that havnt been turned into museums yet.

[Eaglecorps911]

Windhover118, on 10 February 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

The mothball fleet makes up most of the reserve fleet. Many of those decomissioned ships are kept up so they can be brought back online should the need ever arrise. The Mothball fleet includes cruisers, destroyers and even a few carriers that havnt been turned into museums yet.

But would you say some of our battleships that are current museums could be battle ready as well as they are ship worthy? I figured the mothball fleet made up our reserve fleet, I just never looked it at that way considering they are mothballed.

However I did hear that the US Carrier Enterprise is going to be torned down and scrapped instead of just being put into the mothball fleet. Tis it is a sad thing to hear.