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German CV's - My take

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I did a few videos tonight regarding the new German CV's. 40 crates and only got the 4 and 6. HOWEVER I have enough flags so I can grind that 8 and that 10 pretty quick. Those dive bombers are a trip man.

 

I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE PREM TIER 6 FOR ONE REASON:

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Pros:

  1. AP ROCKETS ARE GOD - I love punishing cruisers.
  2. FAAAAAAST Torps - Good god I punish DD's with these puppies.
  3. Fast Planes - Gotta go faaaaaast!

 

Cons:

  1. Low damage - its hard to stack damage.
  2. The Planes - Biplanes have no pilots.
  3. VERY RNG dependent. 
  4. AP Rockets - Tricky to learn, you gotta lead em.

Anyway here's a video or two. I really wish I had gotten a video of my last Rhein game. JFC I crushed those reds like Germany crushed Poland in 39. It really makes me think the German CV's are godlike. 

 

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Man, the more I see AP rockets the less and less I am impressed. 5 penetrations, 2 over pens, and a cit for 4k damage? That's absolutely awful.

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12 minutes ago, Tekina_ said:

Man, the more I see AP rockets the less and less I am impressed. 5 penetrations, 2 over pens, and a cit for 4k damage? That's absolutely awful.

with the t8 i got a broadside brindisi for a whopping 18k for 10 pen and 6 citadel in one pass

 

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8 minutes ago, dad003 said:

with the t8 i got a broadside brindisi for a whopping 18k for 10 pen and 6 citadel in one pass

 

Yeah I'm seeing the high DMG with the tier 8. 

You stack dmg in the Zep with torpedoes oddly enough

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17 minutes ago, KnifeInUrNeck said:

Yeah you can land big hits with the rockets but they’re not consistent threats and targets either have to be sleeping or occupied.

I dunno man, I've been having ALOT of luck lately with this. 

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1 hour ago, dad003 said:

with the t8 i got a broadside brindisi for a whopping 18k for 10 pen and 6 citadel in one pass

 

That's just wrong. 

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13 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

That's just wrong. 

Getting citadel working as intended

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It's glorious :D

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compliments to wargaming for historical accuracy.

cv making every surface ship irrelevant now ap rockets can nuke cruisers too!

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2 hours ago, Dr_Venture said:

I did a few videos tonight regarding the new German CV's. 40 crates and only got the 4 and 6. HOWEVER I have enough flags so I can grind that 8 and that 10 pretty quick. Those dive bombers are a trip man.

 

I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE PREM TIER 6 FOR ONE REASON:

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Pros:

  1. AP ROCKETS ARE GOD - I love punishing cruisers.
  2. FAAAAAAST Torps - Good god I punish DD's with these puppies.
  3. Fast Planes - Gotta go faaaaaast!

 

Cons:

  1. Low damage - its hard to stack damage.
  2. The Planes - Biplanes have no pilots.
  3. VERY RNG dependent. 
  4. AP Rockets - Tricky to learn, you gotta lead em.

Anyway here's a video or two. I really wish I had gotten a video of my last Rhein game. JFC I crushed those reds like Germany crushed Poland in 39. It really makes me think the German CV's are godlike. 

 

i saw Mr G and NoZoup opening up supercrates. Both got at least 2 missions on 15 crates.

maybe they were luck?

You had to spend 40 fornthe same results...

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1 minute ago, Felipe_1982 said:

i saw Mr G and NoZoup opening up supercrates. Both got at least 2 missions on 15 crates.

maybe they were luck?

You had to spend 40 fornthe same results...

"CC Luck"

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5 minutes ago, Dr_Venture said:

"CC Luck"

i had that feeling...

you just made it correct.

(and they always says it does not worth)

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The worst thing about the German CVs, IMO, is the aiming reticle on the dive bombers and the rocket planes. It really takes time to adjust to them after what you're used to with the other CV lines.

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2 hours ago, Taichunger said:

That's just wrong. 

It had to deserve it though, I had the T8 come at me while I was in a Shchors and with a very slight angle bounced ever single rocket a couple days ago. If it had been CA AP I would likely have been dev stuck.

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If the cruiser player is paying attention, they can really mitigate a lot of the AP rocket damage. That 18k damage is impressive, but definitely not the norm. 

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The T6 sucks. Truly. It's got GZ bomb issues, ie you only land 1 of the 2 for a cit even if your dead centre. The torps are most of the time TOO fast to catch DD's out (I mean, they are used to just dodging now) and the rockets are truly troll. Either lots of cits.... or 0. The torps on other classes???..... meh, you land loads, they hit for nothing.

Ark Royal is still the best CV at T6 then Ryujo followed by ranger. Weser and Furious? I'd probably chose furious.  

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The CV will take care of the DDs and CAs and the subs will take care of the CV. Something to look forward to. It just gets more fun with each patch.

 

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1 hour ago, TorpedoBonk said:

The T6 sucks. Truly. It's got GZ bomb issues, ie you only land 1 of the 2 for a cit even if your dead centre. The torps are most of the time TOO fast to catch DD's out (I mean, they are used to just dodging now) and the rockets are truly troll. Either lots of cits.... or 0. The torps on other classes???..... meh, you land loads, they hit for nothing.

Ark Royal is still the best CV at T6 then Ryujo followed by ranger. Weser and Furious? I'd probably chose furious.  

Furious is better than Implacable.

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57 minutes ago, Felipe_1982 said:

Furious is better than Implacable.

Implacable operates in a Tier-8 environment, which the matchmaker can arrange Tier-10 AA ships as opponents.

I like both the Furious and the Implacable, but the Furious isn't up against the same opponents.

And Furious can participate in Scenario Operations that Implacable can't enter.

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6 hours ago, Tekina_ said:

Man, the more I see AP rockets the less and less I am impressed. 5 penetrations, 2 over pens, and a cit for 4k damage? That's absolutely awful.

Yup. I had 21 cits in a game but overall damage was around 80 k. I feel like they need to make cits more difficult to get but have them do far more damage. Getting 20+ cits with low damage is sort of ironic.

 

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Basically the KM CVs aren't going to push the IJN CVs from their top spot of carriers nor are they simple enough for scrubby CV players like me that they'll oust the US CVs from their position of being the 'easiest to use' CV. The German CVs take quite a bit of skill and luck in order to get the most out of them but unlike the IJN CVs which also require some skill and luck, the payoffs aren't great if you happened to be good with them. The AP rockets are incredibly finicky and require both lead AND the ship to be slightly angled in. Not to mention there are some cruisers who are flat out immune/very hard to citadel strike because they either have turtleback armour (most high tier German cruisers) or a low slung citadel. The RN CLs take hard hits from Rocket planes due to their weak armour and high sitting citadel, the same with some of the IJN CAs (The furious Taco is surprisingly resistance to them thanks to its thick midship plating). 

This means the one thing they're good at, hitting cruisers, isn't always a reliable source of damage depending on the team comp.

The AP bombs suffer the same problem that IJN AP bombs have, the wonky dispersion where the bombs like to go to the very edges of the reticle rather than down the middle. This makes the tier 6 KM CV a bit of a lame duck. It doesn't have enough Rockets to really hit cruisers hard, it doesn't have enough AP bombs to hit BBs hard (since it's more than likely one out of the two will stray towards the outside of the circle) and its torpedoes, since there's only 2 AND they have a long arming distance due to their high speed, means dropping on even a semi-aware DD isn't going to get great results, plus they hit like wet noodles on anything else.

I'm sure the tier 8 fixes a lot of these problems but the tier 6 is basically in the same situation as all the other tier 6 CVs that aren't the Ryujo and the Ark Royal (Ranger and Furious suffer from problems of not having enough HE bombs to really make a huge dent), it doesn't have enough of what it needs to preform to the same degree as the IJN CV. 

That's just my take on it though.

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59 minutes ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Implacable operates in a Tier-8 environment, which the matchmaker can arrange Tier-10 AA ships as opponents.

I like both the Furious and the Implacable, but the Furious isn't up against the same opponents.

And Furious can participate in Scenario Operations that Implacable can't enter.

I prefere Indomitable than Implacable.

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4 minutes ago, Felipe_1982 said:

I prefere Indomitable than Implacable.

Nothing wrong with that.

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