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For five years that I have played World of Warships never have I seen the 3rd largest navy in the world

(RCN) represented in World of Warships. As Canadian I'am somewhat annoyed at this. Without the 

Royal Canadian Navy doing  escort  duty of ships headed to the United Kingdom and patrols in the

North Atlantic Britain would now be a German State. The Royal Canadian Navy  was also involved in

in D-day- the and other significant naval battles  of World War 2. However World of Warship still chooses

to INSULT every Canadian who plays the game. I have the  tier 7 Haida destroyer witch my father served 

on and it gives hope that maybe the developers will add some Canadian anti-submarine corvettes to the

game

 

 

 

 

 

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Corvettes like the Flower class are too small for the game and would be out gunned by most tier 2 DD's.

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Yes, it's an INSULT that WG doesn't include ships that T1 ships outgun and outmuscle.

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Ok. Since World of Warships lied to everyone about the implementation of submarines into game. What anti-submarine

vessels are being planned to help combat the submarine threat (over the side depth ect.)? I can see why the player base has 

dropped considerably over the past 3/4 years!

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1 hour ago, hardtodie said:

I can see why the player base has 

dropped considerably over the past 3/4 years!

Between Radar proliferation, CVs, HE spam, and overpowered Russian premiums, a lack of ships that would only be useful in one very specific mode that probably won't be implemented full-time for quite a while is the least of this game's problems.

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The size of the RCN is something thats been doing the rounds since the forum started, and I believe that it comes out as being briefly the 4th largest, depending on what you count.   

Unfortunately, as things stand, there aren't that many Canadian ships that would fit, and given WG's reluctance to make British premiums (which are what Canadian ships are predominantly related to) it seems like Haida will be a singleton for now. Still, at least Haida is here now, which is an improvement over there not being any. 

 

 

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Understood thank for your input.

 

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Since  1 Sherman brought the subject of game problems I will make the follow statements:

1- The cost of flags in the game are absurd-9600 credits per flag and you only get 20.

2- The cost of Premium ships on web site are totally absurd. I was going to purchase a tier 8  

premium ship  until I seen the $456.00  Canadian price tag.

To me the game play in not the problem- its that world of warships functions on a GREED NOT

NEED POLICY.  A LOT OF WORLD OF WARSHIPS PLAYER BASE CANNOT AFFORD THESE KIND OF

PRICES. WHEN I BEGAN PLAYING ALMOST 6 YEARS IT WAS VERY COMMON TO SEE 34000 PLAYERS ON-

LINE IN NA AT ONE TIME. FOR THE LAST WEEK I CHECKED THE MOST PLAYERS I SEEN WAS 9000.

THIS DECLINE IS NOT CAUSED BY PROBLEMS WITH GAME PLAY. IN FACT IT IS CAUSED BY  THE GREED

OF ALL STAFF AT WORLD of WARSHIPS. WITHOUT PLAYERS THE GAME WILL NOT SURVIVE!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

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I think the closest they could come to putting a "Canadian" ship in the game is introduce the HMS Canada, the WW 1 battleship at Tier IV or V maybe as a premium.  It would be Canadian in name only but it would be a reasonable sop to players.

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It's roughly equal to Iron Duke in capability so it would make a reasonably playable ship.

WG could even get a twofer out of it.  They could make some minor changes to the appearance and issue it as the Chilean battleship Almirante Latorre since these are one and the same ship under different owners.

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On 7/8/2020 at 2:55 PM, BrushWolf said:

Corvettes like the Flower class are too small for the game and would be out gunned by most tier 2 DD's.

They are outgunned by ALL T1 ships! And they make the Texas look like a speedboat.

 

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Just now, Sabot_100 said:

They are outgunned by ALL T1 ships! And they make the Texas look like a speedboat.

 

That too but I figured being out gunned but ships that are outgunned by tier 1 ships made my point more striking.

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17 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:

That too but I figured being out gunned but ships that are outgunned by tier 1 ships made my point more striking.

Just a thought-in game wouldn't a submerged sub be able to outrun them?

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6 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

Just a thought-in game wouldn't a submerged sub be able to outrun them?

Not quite and even if the sub turns with their turn on a dime agility they would be right back on them. Even DD's with their much wider turning radius are right back on the DD before it gets to go anywhere. Subs have no tools to break contact with at this time.

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2 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:

Not quite

But it could be a looooooooooong chase. Sub would probably get several volleys off from its stern tubes before being overtaken.:Smile_trollface:

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2 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

But it could be a looooooooooong chase. Sub would probably get several volleys off from its stern tubes before being overtaken.:Smile_trollface:

The Flower class has a turning diameter of 136 yards/radius of 68 yards. which is turning on a dime. A sub is not getting very far away from a ship as nimble as that particularly with their artificially terrible under water turning ability and even with more realistic maneuverability they would be hard pressed to get away.

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1 minute ago, BrushWolf said:

A sub is not getting very far away from a ship as nimble as that particularly with their artificially terrible under water turning ability and even with more realistic maneuverability they would be hard pressed to get away.

In game it would be the closure rate. The sub steams straight away launching and loading and launching the rear tubes while the corvette inches closer. Lots of time to call for help too as it drags the corvette across the map (in slow motion). Funny to watch in a watching paint dry kind of way.

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5 hours ago, Sabot_100 said:

In game it would be the closure rate. The sub steams straight away launching and loading and launching the rear tubes while the corvette inches closer. Lots of time to call for help too as it drags the corvette across the map (in slow motion). Funny to watch in a watching paint dry kind of way.

Yeah but subs turn like an overloaded '57 Eldorado. If subs had more realistic turning rates while submerged I would agree but remember we are talking about the Flower class which would still turn inside a sub and not DD's or CL's. Also I figure that the Shotgun or what I call the Porpoise will be addressed with slower dive and rise speeds and subs will have to come to periscope depth to fire.

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10 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

Yeah but subs turn like an overloaded '57 Eldorado. If subs had more realistic turning rates while submerged I would agree but remember we are talking about the Flower class which would still turn inside a sub and not DD's or CL's.

You keep bringing up turn rates. In my scenario, there is no need for the sub to ever turn once it gets its  butt pointed at the corvette. If the corvette can avoid the torpedoes (and fire from subs allies) and keep closing, it will likely win the contest. The sub could try to surface to avoid the DC (current rules), slam on the brakes while surfaced to go for a bow torp shot as the corvette "races" on by (corvette has no rear gun!) or go for the ram (probably killing both), or dive deep and try to wait the corvette out. Its a moot point as there is no way WG would add corvettes except in some special convoy scenario, but an interesting thought exercise.

Remember, corvettes were built because Britain was desperate, the boats were cheap, and they could build them fast, not because they were good. The US, with its greater resources, went with destroyer-escorts to fill that role. Not gonna see those in game either.

Just remembered, the Black Swan, a Brit counterpart to a DE, is in the game. But at T1.

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The problem with the Flower class is that it is the minimum ASW vessel for the WWII period to about 1944.  The USN got a dozen on reverse lend-lease and reclassified them as PG (Patrol Gunboats) and relegated them to backwater zones away from the main combat like the Caribbean.

Against even a sub, the Flower is marginal.

A US DE like the Rudderow class would be competitive at Tier IV (2 x 5"/38, 3 x TT, 28 knots).  Give it smoke, hydro, and /or radar and it would a Tier IV threat and a half.

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48 minutes ago, Murotsu said:

The problem with the Flower class is that it is the minimum ASW vessel for the WWII period to about 1944.  The USN got a dozen on reverse lend-lease and reclassified them as PG (Patrol Gunboats) and relegated them to backwater zones away from the main combat like the Caribbean.

Against even a sub, the Flower is marginal.

A US DE like the Rudderow class would be competitive at Tier IV (2 x 5"/38, 3 x TT, 28 knots).  Give it smoke, hydro, and /or radar and it would a Tier IV threat and a half.

The RN used the Flower class because they were cheap and could be built fast, not because they were great for the job.

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1 hour ago, Murotsu said:

A US DE like the Rudderow class would be competitive at Tier IV (2 x 5"/38, 3 x TT, 28 knots).  Give it smoke, hydro, and /or radar and it would a Tier IV threat and a half.

Better ROF per gun so may be the equivalent of the base Clemson. Upgraded the Clemson wins hands down. Much better AA than the Clemson. Only 3 torps  make it questionable at T4.  Cambelltown at least has 3 torps per side. I think every T4 DD has at least 6. Radar is out. Hydro, maybe. Always thought the speed was closer to 24 kts (or course in game its whatever WG decrees). Even at 28kts, that's damn slow for a DD. Competitive may be the wrong word.

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On 7/8/2020 at 5:24 PM, hardtodie said:

For five years that I have played World of Warships never have I seen the 3rd largest navy in the world

(RCN) represented in World of Warships. As Canadian I'am somewhat annoyed at this. Without the 

Royal Canadian Navy doing  escort  duty of ships headed to the United Kingdom and patrols in the

North Atlantic Britain would now be a German State. The Royal Canadian Navy  was also involved in

in D-day- the and other significant naval battles  of World War 2. However World of Warship still chooses

to INSULT every Canadian who plays the game. I have the  tier 7 Haida destroyer witch my father served 

on and it gives hope that maybe the developers will add some Canadian anti-submarine corvettes to the

game

Please enhance your calm. Canada is not being ignored in WoWS, please be patient as it takes considerable amounts of time to develop new ships, and simply put there are larger markets in the US and Europe to cater to when it comes to content.
Plus, since every nation has a "niche role" in the game, it stands to reason that Canada's (as part of the Commonwealth tree) would be anti-Submarine. However, submarines haven't even been decided if they'll stick around and still require months of work.
If you're desperate for playing the Flower-class, [edited] has it at the end of their Tier 1 branch of UK ships. But if you're holding out for WoWS to add them, it'll be a while, unless you want copy-paste ships like more Tribals, or a Town-class. Within the game's eras, we really didn't have much variety    (and please don't yell back with a list of ships, I've seen them all)

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On 7/8/2020 at 5:24 PM, hardtodie said:

For five years that I have played World of Warships never have I seen the 3rd largest navy in the world

(RCN) represented in World of Warships. As Canadian I'am somewhat annoyed at this. Without the 

Royal Canadian Navy doing  escort  duty of ships headed to the United Kingdom and patrols in the

North Atlantic Britain would now be a German State. The Royal Canadian Navy  was also involved in

in D-day- the and other significant naval battles  of World War 2. However World of Warship still chooses

to INSULT every Canadian who plays the game. I have the  tier 7 Haida destroyer witch my father served 

on and it gives hope that maybe the developers will add some Canadian anti-submarine corvettes to the

game

Yes, it's totally an insult that a video game doesn't pander to historical accuracy nuts by including a class of ship that doesn't fit the game parameters. 

No one is arguing the RCN didn't contribute to victory in WW2. But  there are no tier 1 premiums, and corvettes would only work as a tier 1 ship. If they ever do a commonwealth (Canada/ANZAC/etc) DD line, Canada will likely be included and maybe a Canadian corvette will be the tier 1 ship for that line. 

The issue with the RCN is that most RCN ships of the era were retreads and hand me downs from the RN or USN, and very few of them were DDs or larger. Certainly not enough for a tech tree of its own. There's no doubt a commonwealth DD line will happen eventually and Canada will likely be represented on it as they had a bunch of DDs (all or almost all RN designs).

A commonwealth cruiser line is possible and Canada had two cruisers that could go on it ( a Crown Colony class CL so a Fiji clone, and a Minotaur-class (the Crown Colony variant, not the paper Minotaur-class included in the RN line) , but that's about it. HMCS Ontario (the Minotaur-class) is a tier 6/7 depending on how they balance her, HMCS Quebec (the Crown Colony-class) is a tier 7/8 depending on how they balance her. But that's it for cruisers, and you cant build an entire cruiser line with two hand-me-downs. They would work in a pan-commonwealth line, though, or as premiums. 

But we don't even have the Italian tech tree filled out, and Canada is a lower priority. Be patient. 

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If we get Flowers I want this. Thetis class patrol boat.

 

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There is a Canadian ship in the game. know we need more but at least we have a very good one

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now we just need the Ontario and Uganda/Quebec

 

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