WoWS needs WGC open to run

[LaviKabos]

Not a change I'm very happy with. I only use WGC for updates, I DO NOT want to open it every time I play....

Also, this should have been near the top of the update notes, not in the middle of nowhere considering how many people it's likely to affect.

[Burnsy]

8 minutes ago, LaviKabos said:

Not a change I'm very happy with. I only use WGC for updates, I DO NOT want to open it every time I play....

Also, this should have been near the top of the update notes, not in the middle of nowhere considering how many people it's likely to affect.

Lots of online games now require their launcher to be running to start the game.  That's why they are often called a "launcher". What's the big negative affect?

[AJTP89]

The old launcher hasn't worked for a long time now, and hasn't been readily available for even longer. You could use the exe file to start the game, but I doubt many people did that. I think the vast majority of players have used the WGC for a while now, so I don't think many people are actually going to wake up tomorrow and be unable to start the game.

Also the launcher automatically closes once the game launches, so the game can run without it open, you just need it to start it.

[Rocketpacman]

8 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

Lots of online games now require their launcher to be running to start the game.  That's why they are often called a "launcher". What's the big negative affect?

What's the positive effect for any player? 

[Burnsy]

4 minutes ago, Rocketpacman said:

What's the positive effect for any player? 

I like it because at a quick glance I can skim the important news stuff before I launch the game and I can choose between launching the the live game or test server in one place.  It also has a button to load the this forum or enter a game code.  Finally, I have the thing load on windows load, so it's always running and always updated.  I don't have to wait for an update.  When I am ready to play, it's already updated and ready to go.

It minimizes itself after launching so it stays out of the way if I alt tab out between matches etc.  It's a win-win as far as I am concerned.

[Rocketpacman]

7 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

I like it because at a quick glance I can skim the important news stuff before I launch the game and I can choose between launching the the live game or test server in one place.  It also has a button to load the this forum or enter a game code.  Finally, I have the thing load on windows load, so it's always running and always updated.  I don't have to wait for an update.  When I am ready to play, it's already updated and ready to go.

It minimizes itself after launching so it stays out of the way if I alt tab out between matches etc.  It's a win-win as far as I am concerned.

But presumably then you were already launching World of Warships via WGC and this change has no impact on you whatsoever. 

[Burnsy]

15 minutes ago, Rocketpacman said:

But presumably then you were already launching World of Warships via WGC and this change has no impact on you whatsoever. 

Correct.  Other than obviously launching the game from the launcher, what's the big change?

[Kuckoo]

Apparently, WG doesn't appreciate users opting for just the executable.

I don't care to be told that I need "help" with frivolous and pointless crap that I never asked for help with or needed in the first place.  The game runs perfectly fine without the WGC up and running.  It probably runs even better without the bloat running in the background and going through my system doing who-knows-what.  Only need it to download and update WoWS, and that's it.  Period!

But now they are forcing it.

More and more WG does things that make me like this game less.  There are still things that I love about it, mostly the aesthetics.  But now it's getting to the point where that is being outweighed...

 

 

[KilljoyCutter]

42 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

Lots of online games now require their launcher to be running to start the game.  That's why they are often called a "launcher". What's the big negative affect?

What's the positive effect? 

What benefit does it offer to the user to have a download manager running in the background constantly while the game is playing? 

(Never mind that so far, WGC is slower and touchier than the classic Launcher.) 

 

[Burnsy]

6 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

What's the positive effect? 

What benefit does it offer to the user to have a download manager running in the background constantly while the game is playing? 

(Never mind that so far, WGC is slower and touchier than the classic Launcher.) 

 

I already went over what I feel the positives are.  

[Rocketpacman]

7 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

Correct.  Other than obviously launching the game from the launcher, what's the big change?

There is no "big" change either way. But there is no positive effect for any player which is naturally why people are going to complain and be suspicious.  

For people like you who were already using the WGC to start the game nothing has changed. For people who, for whatever reason, did not want to start the game via the launcher this change will have a negative impact on them. 

[Slimeball91]

9 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

Correct.  Other than obviously launching the game from the launcher, what's the big change?

The change, as already pointed out, is that launcher is always running in the background (doing god knows what). 

2 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

I already went over what I feel the positives are. 

You said you like seeing the news and selecting the different severs to play on.  I like those features too, I just wish the launcher would close after the game launches.

[LaviKabos]

7 minutes ago, Kuckoo said:

Apparently, WG doesn't appreciate users opting for just the executable.

I don't care to be told that I need "help" with frivolous and pointless crap that I never asked for help with or needed in the first place.  The game runs perfectly fine without the WGC up and running.  It probably runs even better without the bloat running in the background and going through my system doing who-knows-what.  Only need it to download and update WoWS, and that's it.  Period!

But now they are forcing it.

More and more WG does things that make me like this game less.  There are still things that I love about it, mostly the aesthetics.  But now it's getting to the point where that is being outweighed...

 

 

This is really the issue, I don't like WGC it takes even longer for me to load the game and clutters my computer. Just let me live and launch the game alone. 

[Burnsy]

1 minute ago, Slimeball91 said:

The change, as already pointed out, is that launcher is always running in the background (doing god knows what). 

You said you like seeing the news and selecting the different severs to play on.  I like those features too, I just wish the launcher would close after the game launches.

It has been running in the background on my PC, at the startup of windows for years.

The WGC launches fine on my PC with no lag, doesn't download while you are playing and per my windows task manager right now, uses vastly less ram than this single firefox browser tab does.

In terms of impacting game play or computer performance, it's a non factor.

[KilljoyCutter]

40 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

I like it because at a quick glance I can skim the important news stuff before I launch the game and I can choose between launching the the live game or test server in one place.  It also has a button to load the this forum or enter a game code.  Finally, I have the thing load on windows load, so it's always running and always updated.  I don't have to wait for an update.  When I am ready to play, it's already updated and ready to go.

It minimizes itself after launching so it stays out of the way if I alt tab out between matches etc.  It's a win-win as far as I am concerned.

Whereas I never launch the game from WGC, never let WGC run unless there's an update, have pre-download and sharing/seeding disabled (and hard blocked by the firewall), and otherwise find all the "features" of the WGC utterly useless.  It's an added nuisance that's only "needed" because it's imposed.   If I could, I'd just manually download and install updates.    WGC literally does nothing for me, it's all downside.   It downloads and installs updates slower than the classic Launcher, and requiring the game to be started through WGC just adds time and steps to the process that aren't needed and don't accomplish anything for the user.   

I built a new gaming-specific PC rather than let WGC run on my computer used for writing, shopping, etc, and only open web pages on that computer in a secure private-mode browser with scripts and cookies and such all disabled by default such that they need to be approved and "allowed" one at a time during each browsing session.  

The harder companies try to force this crapware on us (everything from Steam, Origin, WGC, and the like, to the forced updates in Windows 10, to the background crap that so much software tries to install and run at start) , the less I trust any of it.  If it was so great, it wouldn't need to be shoved down our throats.  

 

7 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

I already went over what I feel the positives are.   In addition, the WGC launches fine on my PC with no lag, doesn't download while you are playing and per windows task manager, uses less ram than this firefox browser tab does.

Yeah.  None of those are positives or benefits as far as I'm concerned, just more nuisance.  

Comparing it to the browser is a false equivalency, the browser actually does something useful. 

 

[Burnsy]

5 minutes ago, LaviKabos said:

This is really the issue, I don't like WGC it takes even longer for me to load the game and clutters my computer. Just let me live and launch the game alone. 

As I said, most all online games have their own launcher.  It's just the way the industry is going.

I have WoWs loaded on my M.2 NVME drive.  From clicking play to being in port is around 8 seconds.  It would be faster but the login time is what actually takes the longest. I understand that WoWs has an older hardware base from it's players than most, but as software and time moves forward, at some point, your hardware has to as well.  It's just a universal part of PC gaming.

If using the launcher substantially slows down your computer, it's going to be time for an upgrade in the near future, launcher or not.

[Burnsy]

2 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

Whereas I never launch the game from WGC, never let WGC run unless there's an update, have pre-download and sharing/seeding disabled (and hard blocked by the firewall), and otherwise find all the "features" of the WGC utterly useless.  It's an added nuisance that's only "needed" because it's imposed.   If I could, I'd just manually download and install updates.    WGC literally does nothing for me, it's all downside.   It downloads and installs updates slower than the classic Launcher, and requiring the game to be started through WGC just adds time and steps to the process that aren't needed and don't accomplish anything for the user.   

I built a new gaming-specific PC rather than let WGC run on my computer used for writing, shopping, etc, and only open web pages on that computer in a secure private-mode browser with scripts and cookies and such all disabled by default such that they need to be approved and "allowed" one at a time during each browsing session.  

The harder companies try to force this crapware on us (everything from Steam, Origin, WGC, and the like, to the forced updates in Windows 10, to the background crap that so much software tries to install and run at start) , the less I trust any of it.  If it was so great, it wouldn't need to be shoved down our throats.  

 

Yeah.  None of those are positives or benefits as far as I'm concerned, just more nuisance.  

Comparing it to the browser is a false equivalency, the browser actually does something useful. 

 

Launchers are not "crapware".  The are basically an industry standard.  WG is actually behind everyone else in forcing the use of one. 

[KilljoyCutter]

Just now, Burnsy said:

As I said, most all online games have their own launcher.  It's just the way the industry is going.

And that's why this is the last video game I'm ever getting "invested" in, and when it's gone (because they mismanage it into utter failure, or whatever), then I'm done with video games. 

 

[Burnsy]

1 minute ago, KilljoyCutter said:

And that's why this is the last video game I'm ever getting "invested" in, and when it's gone (because they mismanage it into utter failure, or whatever), then I'm done with video games. 

 

I understand.  Let's be fair though, you have been claiming you are "on your way out" from this game, for years now.  You keep having new complaints about....everything, all the time.

[Slimeball91]

1 minute ago, Burnsy said:

Launchers are not "crapware".  The are basically an industry standard.  WG is actually behind everyone else in forcing the use of one. 

They are all spyware to some extent or another.  The less these launchers are running the better.

[theLaalaa]

Launcher gathers info. Info is $$. $$ drives companies. Company is WG.

[KilljoyCutter]

12 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

Launchers are not "crapware".  The are basically an industry standard.  WG is actually behind everyone else in forcing the use of one. 

They are absolutely crapware -- they accomplish nothing for the user and only serve the "needs" of the company. 

When someone keeps trying to sell me on something I don't need or want, that is of no benefit to me, to the point of making it mandatory in order to access something I actually do want, that's a red flag that it's something that benefits THEM, and in a way that I'd object to if I could "look behind the curtain". 

If these "launchers" are so great, and offer so many "positives"... why do the companies feel the need to FORCE them to the point of making the games impossible to even access without them?  

 

10 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

I understand.  Let's be fair though, you have been claiming you are "on your way out" from this game, for years now.  You keep having new complaints about....everything, all the time.

I keep finding ways to avoid the things that make me want to leave and enjoy a smaller and smaller slice of the game. 

 

[Burnsy]

4 minutes ago, Slimeball91 said:

They are all spyware to some extent or another.  The less these launchers are running the better.

If I didn't trust a companies software to be on my computer, I would remove it right away.  WG has my credit card number of all things.   I would be worried about that a lot more. 

It's not a concern for me personally.  We all have to make our own decisions though.

[landcollector]

1 hour ago, Burnsy said:

I like it because at a quick glance I can skim the important news stuff before I launch the game

Old launcher was able to do that as well, you realize?  Not a new feather in WGC's cap.

 

1 hour ago, Burnsy said:

I can choose between launching the the live game or test server in one place.

Admittedly a minor plus for those who decide to even bother with the mostly pointless PTS (after all, WG doesn't give a crap about player feedback so what good even is PTS anymore?).

[Burnsy]

2 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

They are absolutely crapware -- they accomplish nothing for the user and only serve the "needs" of the company. 

When someone keeps trying to sell me on something I don't need or want, that is of no benefit to me, to the point of making it mandatory in order to access something I actually do want, that's a red flag that it's something that benefits THEM, and in a way that I'd object to if I could "look behind the curtain". 

 

I keep finding ways to avoid the things that make me want to leave and enjoy a smaller and smaller slice of the game. 

 

No for profit company is going to let your dissect their software.