Vermont is a Russian modified Tillman battleship

[ihsasum]

Vermont is similar to Tillman 4-2 with 1 less turret and 2 knots slower. 

Not creative enough, isn't it, wg? Where are those turrets with 6 guns?

[Fatalimpulse]

To add onto this, the T8 and 9 are both different variations of South Dakota 1920 class preliminary designs with modernized superstructures. 

[ramp4ge]

Yeah Vermont looks like a mix between the Tillman 4-1 and 4-2. 18" guns in 4 triple turrets instead of a mix of triples and twins.

 

Kansas is a modernized SoDak20 with the wrong guns. It has Colorado's 16"/45s instead of the 16"/50s designed and produced for the class.

Minnesota is a modernized SoDak20 with the right guns.

Meanwhile, we still have US battleships that actually existed that aren't in the game at all. 

[ithekro]

I wanted the ridiculous 24 gun (16 inch) Tilllman 2 design along with the only moderately less ridiculous five triple turret Tillman 4-2 design (with 18 inch guns)

 

If you are going to cut a turret out of the Tillman 4-2, at least make room for more engines.  25 knots minimum.  27 knot realistic I suppose for that hull form.

if both Tier IX and X are Tillman based, they should make 25 knots.  South Dakota was the last of the really slow designs at 23 knots.

 

Minnesota could be a modernized Tillman 1 design based on the South Dakota hull lines.  There wasn't a lot of difference between the two, other than size and speed.  The Tillman concept was 25 or 26 knots and Panamax sized.

 

[ramp4ge]

The IX looks like a properly-armed even-more-modernized SoDak20 with the right guns firing Mk8 superheavies.

 

The VIII is a modernized SoDak20 with the wrong guns. Which is completely unnecessary. They could've given it the correct guns and given it the lighter shell.

 

I want to see if the X will have the Tillman's 16-18" belt.. 

[Pugilistic]

8 minutes ago, ithekro said:

I wanted the ridiculous 24 gun (16 inch) Tilllman 2 design along with the only moderately less ridiculous five triple turret Tillman 4-2 design (with 18 inch guns)

 

For balance, your reload time would be adequate to brew and drink a cup of tea. 

[ramp4ge]

Just for reference, there are at least a couple ways you can tell whoever at Wargaming designed the Vermont was looking at a Tillman.

 

1) 3 funnels. The Tillmans had 3 funnels. 

2) It's flush-deck. The Tillmans were going to be flush-deck. The SoDak20 and the Standards all had quarterdecks that were closer to the waterline. The Tillmans were to have a flush deck from bow to stern, and the Vermont has that feature.

 

Yeah it's definitely a Tillman. 

[ithekro]

I could buy the sextuple guns taking a while to reload.  Triple turrets though?   Not as designed.  Remember the Americans did make the guns for South Dakota and Lexington class ships.  The 16"/50 Mark 2 and Mark 3  We used them for coastal defense when the Washington Naval Treaty cancelled the ships the guns were designed for.  Even the 18" gun was designed, if not completed due to the treaty. The 18"/48 Mark 1.

[ramp4ge]

Keep in mind that the Tillmans "as designed" were extremely early preliminary designs. It's very possible that they'd take the best of all of the designs and put them together into one class.

 

So it's really not beyond the reach of reality for a Tillman to have been built with 18"/47s or 18"/48s in triple turrets (since the IV-I was going to have a mix of twins and triples anyway) with an 16"-18" belt and a 25 knot top speed.

 

Remember that between 1912 and the early 1920s, the US learned a lot. They would've no doubt come to the same conclusion that lead to the SoDak20 having 4 triples instead of 6 twins or some other weird design. 4 triples means less turrets means a shorter ship means less area to protect with the belt armor means thicker belt for the same tonnage. It also means no amidships magazines. 

[ANDROMADA]

On 7/5/2020 at 12:01 AM, ithekro said:

I wanted the ridiculous 24 gun (16 inch) Tilllman 2 design along with the only moderately less ridiculous five triple turret Tillman 4-2 design (with 18 inch guns)

Tillman IV had the same Twenty-four gun layout, but had a 19" armor belt too. Should go with that.