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Semi beginner cruiser player, suggestions on a new ship.

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I'm mainly a destroyer player, in fact I only have a Minotaur, no battleships and want to burn down ships. Nothing brings as much satisfaction than watching a ship burn down and have been considering a couple of ships, the Henri, Zao, Goliath and the Alaska which is a beautiful ship. I have to tell you the Henri really has my interested but would like some direction from the more experienced players. I do have prefer to have a shorter reload as one of the reasons I not in a battleship is because of the long reloads. I can maybe work with less than 20 second reload, but beyond that my patience is just not there. I also require radar or hydro because I'm going to need some defense against destroyers. I will most likely utilize torpedo acquisition as a captain skill which will increase the range even when using hydro. 

My resources are low, so that pretty much removes any chances at any of the ships in the armory.

1. Henri

2. Zao

3. Goliath

4. Alaska

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Let's see,

Fast reload,

Fire starter

Radar

Hydro

 

May I suggest the US Navy? Des Moines and Wooster check those boxes. Fastest shooting cruisers guns for fires, with radar AND hydro. And ships below them aren't bad, so it's a fun grind.

Of the ones you listed, Alaska is more a BB than a CA. Great ship, but plays more on the BB side. Goliath, I haven't played her but the opinion seems to be she's very meh, I do know her reload is long. Zao and Henri are excellent long range firestarters though. But a bit slower paced with longish reloads (for cruisers) and sitting back.

You may need to rethink your DD defense though. Cruisers don't play defensive against DDs, they hunt them down and murder them. Hydro is perfectly adequate to spot torps, and you're usually small enough to dodge if you're paying some attention. Don't go vigilance, there are WAY more useful things to spend captain points on. Situational awareness is your best defense against torps. Have an idea where the DDs are, and from there it's fairly easy to predict where the torps are coming from, and once you know that, just make sure your ship isn't there. And radar and hydro really help with spotting the DDs. So don't think defensive against DDs, think offense. As a cruiser BBs are the ones you have to worry about.

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1 hour ago, Systemlord_1 said:

I can maybe work with less than 20 second reload, but beyond that my patience is just not there

I thought that way at first but BBs. There is plenty to do to keep you busy while waiting for the guns to reload, especially if you have a manual secondary build.

Boise sounds like a great ship for you and it's a winner in Narai if you need XP, Credits EXP or FXP. The reload is a bit long at 10 seconds but if you put a special captain in it you can switch shell types in 2.5 seconds, for when you need AP or HE at a moments notice. That is if you use the expert loader skill.

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My Henri reload is down to 10 sec.

Cruisers sometimes lack the firepower to kill BBs.  Those with torps allow you (sometimes) to bow tank up to the BB and then torp for the kill.  Prolly the best at that is Hindi.  That said, I really like Goliath too.

Helena/Boise and Worcester shoot fast and lots of shells, but you better learn your angling quick or you will die fast and often.

For reload and tankiness, DM is hard to beat.

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Fast reload, fire starting, radar, and hydro? May I suggest Russian cruisers?  Alexander Nevsky has a 6 second reload, which is only half a second slower than Des Moines, and the ballistics are insanely good.  Whereas Des Moines Wants to hug islands for cover, Nevsky wants to be in open water.  It all comes down to your preferred play style.

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I know you like starting fires,but I have Cleveland with demolition expert and ifhe.with this she is not a fire breathing dragon but she will start fires.the nice thing with this build is when you lob 12 shots at superstructure or just below the main deck.you usually see some high number damage to enemy ships...

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Henri is a lot fun. The MBRB opens up opportunities for burst damage. You can delete cruisers pretty quickly if they show too much broadside.

Alaska is also pretty good, you're pretty much a cruiser killer.

Don't have Zao, so I can't speak about it.

Goliath is a boat which I would consider pretty meh. It has decent guns and heal, but has a weird citadel trap which makes you suprisingly squishy. You also lack speed, and your range is pretty poor.

I would get either Henri or Alaska, but that's just my opinion.

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I don’t find Goliath squishy at all.  Indeed it tanks as well as Hendi. 
plus you already have most of the line researched.   Long reload though.

Prolly the best all around is Hendi.

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On 7/7/2020 at 7:23 AM, Quantumphysics333 said:

Henri is a lot fun. The MBRB opens up opportunities for burst damage. You can delete cruisers pretty quickly if they show too much broadside.

Still think so after the nerf? Guns are the same but it has lost its flair for open water gunboating. Haven't played the Henri much since the gutting but I did think it felt very sluggish now.

To the OP's question. Alaska is great but it will take resources to get and you indicate you don't have a lot. Are you in the same grind lines for each of the tech tree boats? As was mentioned you left out the DM from your choices. Is that because you haven't gone down the US line?  It seems a very meh boat but still seems to have a great following. It has the fastest reload of any of the heavies.

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I personally prefer cruisers with longer reloading guns such as the pensacola as I have time within those 15 sec to look at the minimap, look around for better broadsiding targets, etc..

 

but my best experiance with fast reloading HE spam ships has been the dallas, with hydro to rush smokes and def aa to escort battleships...

i struggle to set fires and pen BBs as i am working on getting IFHE and demo expert skills

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15 hours ago, Sabot_100 said:

Still think so after the nerf? Guns are the same but it has lost its flair for open water gunboating. Haven't played the Henri much since the gutting but I did think it felt very sluggish now.

 

I still play Henri, quite enjoy it. With speed boost on, your accel isn't that bad. I run JoaT, consumable flag, and superintendent. 4 speed boost charges + 76 sec reload = pretty much constant speed boost. Besides, I find that if you stay at long range, you can still juke shots pretty well. Best part about Henri IV is using MBRB + AP to tear cruisers a new one. That AP is brutal. Another thing to note: the nerf only affects acceleration when "spooling up." Once you reach max speed, if you don't slow down, the nerf doesn't affect you.  Just had a fun 210k game where a face tanked a Petropavlosk, torped him, and murdered 2 DDs. Lots of fun.

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3 hours ago, Quantumphysics333 said:

Once you reach max speed, if you don't slow down, the nerf doesn't affect you.

Right. the nerf just takes away the W-S from the WASD for dodging long range incoming fire. It was probably too good before but WG reduced it to BB levels of acceleration.

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On 6/27/2020 at 6:03 AM, Systemlord_1 said:

I'm mainly a destroyer player, in fact I only have a Minotaur, no battleships and want to burn down ships. Nothing brings as much satisfaction than watching a ship burn down and have been considering a couple of ships, the Henri, Zao, Goliath and the Alaska which is a beautiful ship. I have to tell you the Henri really has my interested but would like some direction from the more experienced players. I do have prefer to have a shorter reload as one of the reasons I not in a battleship is because of the long reloads. I can maybe work with less than 20 second reload, but beyond that my patience is just not there. I also require radar or hydro because I'm going to need some defense against destroyers. I will most likely utilize torpedo acquisition as a captain skill which will increase the range even when using hydro. 

My resources are low, so that pretty much removes any chances at any of the ships in the armory.

1. Henri

2. Zao

3. Goliath

4. Alaska

Henri is the true beast!

 

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