Yoshino, Moskva or Salem?

[HattoriHanzo_2508]

Which Tier X Cruiser should I take for coal?

[MidnightPhoenix07]

Moskva (for now) is still quite decent in randoms, and has its used in competitive lineups depending on the meta. In randoms you’re mostly moving around flanks to either burn things down or AP broadsides, unlike the more anchor playstyle in competitive. 

Yoshino is decent in the right situations but is kind of a one trick pony - sit at range and spam HE, and invariably turn pink from your 20km torps. It’s better than Azuma, but most of the time it tries to do Zao supersized and ends up doing it worse than Zao does. 

Salem is similar to DM, but I’d focused around DPM rather than utility (no LM, weaker consumables), but is decent in a one on one engagement against most cruisers because of the improved heal. The AA is slightly different, and the firing angles are a degree or two worse on Salem, but it handles like a non LM DM. 

 

If you didn't get it from the split, I’d probably say get Moskva first just based on stats. Meta wise, Salem may beat Yoshino out ever so slightly for second place on the recommendation list. Of course, it also depends on what you’re looking to get out of it - a captain trainer (Moskva and Salem would match their nation’s CA build, Yoshino would be fine with either a CA or BB captain and Moskva would work with a typical Kremlin build with slightly less efficiency)? A ship to use in competitive (Moskva or Yoshino in CV seasons, Salem still works in non CV metas to out trade ships)? A ship to use to cover fleet deficiencies for directives? 

I got my new version Moskva through having it when the split happened, and will potentially pick up Salem for my next coal ship once I get the coal for it in a few months (assuming the meta doesn’t shift before then). After that, it will probably be Yoshino unless Pommern really impresses me on release or something else comes along.

[AJTP89]

Salem is essentially a Des Moines. You switch good radar for a super heal, but other than that they're identical. Not worth spending the coal for something you can get in the tech tree.

Moskva is good, great radar, great guns. I like mine. Not sure if it's worth coal though.

Yoshino is supposed to be good, but I don't have experience with it.

[sasquatch_research]

Hey

I picked Salem as I don't have a DM and that super heal has saved me many a day in Clan Battles.   Moskva can be very good in the right situations, great radar, tanky, but the guns are frustrating for me, either they over pen or they ricochet in large numbers, if a ship is broadside, it can be very murderous.  She burns rather quickly even with a full FP and BofS when trying to bow tank.  Yoshino, I do not have but I do have Azuma and it's been ok, sit at range and spam HE, decent damage but not a great team support boat.  I think Yoshino having more armor over Azuma would be better but it's kind of a semi boring playstyle.  Of the 3 for me; I have had the most consistent performance from Salem.  If you have DM, then skip Salem but I like it.  Moskva would be a second pick, then Yoshino.

PS update 9/6/20:  I now have the Yoshino and find it a very good and consistent damage dealer and tankier than Azuma.  Depends I guess on what playstyle you want.  I still like my Salem due to the heal.  Moskva for me is a mixed bag, frustrating much of the time but the benefit of 12km radar and her bow tanking ability, the the Yoshi, sit at range and burn away everything, and never discount those semi worthless meme torps, they pack a punch.  

Pete

[JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens]

Of the three, I'd say Yoshino is the best choice. It's reasonably tanky, very stealthy for such a big ship, has meme worthy torpedoes that make you a threat up close. Fantastic HE and AP. Great handling as well. And of the three of them it has the best AA.

Moskva is a good ship, but its gameplay can be quite stagnant sometimes. And with carriers in every match these days, it can make playing it difficult.

Salem is a worse Des Moines more or less. Yes, it has a super heal, but the actual healing potential isn't quite as high as advertised once you factor in AP pens and citadels. It also lacks Des Moines unique upgrade and lacks Des Moines's radar. So just buy Des Moines and get its permanent camo and you have a better Salem.

 

So in order, I'd get Yoshino first, then Moskva, then Salem

 (I currently own both Yoshino and Moskva and also have Des Moines.)

[Taylor3006]

What Mito said. 

The only things I have to add are #1, it really depends on which tech tree lines you are pursuing and #2, the Salem has a baked in service cost reduction on top of the one associated with her camo. This allows her to be played even in co-op profitably. 

[Marksman_Warboy]

I am also in this dilemma of whether I should get Moskva or Yoshino. On one side, Moskva fits part of my playstyle. On the other hand, Yoshino fills parts of my playstyle as well. I'm already on the grind for Des Moines, so I don't want Salem. 
Moskva is sort of a combination of the RU CLs and RU CAs. On one side of the RU cruiser spectrum, there is Smolensk and Nevsky. On the other side of the RU cruiser spectrum is Stalingrad and Petro, with Smolensk and Stalingrad being the extremes and Nevsky and Petro being the more moderate ships of their spectrum side. Moskva is unique, however, in that it sits somewhere between Nevsky and Petro. Moskva has fairly good AP but not as good as Petro's and Stalingrad's. Meanwhile, Moskva can kinda fall back on her HE, but her HE isn't as good as Smolensk's and Nevsky's. She is tanky for a cruiser, but not as tanky as Stalingrad or Petro. Moskva has fairly good DPM, but not the best out of other T10 cruisers. Two weaknesses of Moskva, however, are her poor maneuverability and bad concealment, making her spotted from space, hard to handle, and extremely difficult to disengage. She is forced to bow tank, which she is fairly good at, but she will still eat damage and Stalingrad is just a better bow tanker.
Yoshino is an improved, basically better, version of the Azuma, and is essentially a supersized Zao but with a Yamato citadel, making her a glass fire cannon. Her HE is lovely, but unless you can't get Thunderer on time before it leaves (me included), just get Thunderer. Yoshino tries to do what Zao does, but sorta fails at it. She also isn't very good in ranked. Her AP is meh, and Yoshino is very squishy,. In summary, Yoshino is basically a long range HE spammer that is a Zao but bigger.
Salem is essentially a copy-paste DM with a superheal and slightly worse radar. That's basically it.
I'm still unsure of whether to choose Moskva and Yoshino. If Thunderer wasn't leaving before I had enough coal for her, then there would be no need for Yoshino and almost no need for Moskva. But since I can't get Thunderer on time, I have to choose between Moskva and Yoshino. Unless you really don't want to grind for DM, don't get Salem.
But if you can get Thunderer on time, then just get Thunderer. Period.

[sasquatch_research]

Hey

More me personally:  Yoshino, Salem, Moskva in that order of fun.  The reason for Moskva is that too many times your stuck in that nose in and tank style which is very boring, and the guns for me either over pen, or ricochet everything.  The radar is very nice but just found it frustrating; the Salem was much more forgiving and actually useful and the heal was very nice (keep in mind I didn't have Des Moines).  I have had a lot of fun with Yoshino (and Azuma also for that matter) and they tend to get under appreciated and even the 20km torps are hilarious when you connect.

 

Pete

[anonym_M9X3TkIyIaEj]

I have a Yoshi and like even after commander skill rework. I us en it Yamamoto and he is also my Zao capt. It is a 21 pt capt, has a torpedo and AA(Yosh has very decent AA to make it really different from IJN ships) biased skill set. It does all you would want your Zao to do but in a larger pack hence has a few drawbacks. Its is the fastest CB and if i'm not wrong the longest finger range. With that in mind you can deliver consistent DMG beyond 24km while having a 11.9km stealth and torps that can put down 27k dmg. Of course has big turning circle and if you are caught broad you are made of citadels, so be ready for a visit to Davy Jones. It is a very competent if not among the best long range combatants in game(spare the CVs), that can be complemented with a very good torpedo suite which can be tailored for area denial or emergency brawling(this is the hardest to achieve). It is due to that good long range knack a poor brawler(even when you consider it has the highest DPM secondaries gun suite). I enjoy it, its not a Yammy and its not a Zao but works pretty well with a Zao mind and skill set. 

However as some have stated I would choose the one that is closer to my current shipyard dwellers.

[Gunuin]

Hello,

Anyone have any new updates on any changes to these ships? I have enough coal to buy any of the three, and I'd like to buy a tier X ship, just can't decide between these three.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

[sasquatch_research]

On 4/4/2021 at 10:08 PM, Gunuin said:

Hello,

Anyone have any new updates on any changes to these ships? I have enough coal to buy any of the three, and I'd like to buy a tier X ship, just can't decide between these three.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Hey

For me and playing all three.  Yoshino, Salem, Moskva in that order still holds true for randoms.  For clan battles alone then the radar is handy but I really hate the boring bow in and tank damage play that can be associated with Moskva, the Salem is good with its super heal, and Yoshino last in CB.  

 

Pete

[remington79]

I just bought the Salem and I like it. I have the Des Moines so while it’s kind of the same it’s nice to be able to switch Halsey between the two and Alaska. Or if the DM is still in battle my John Doe aka Steven Segal can go in it. 
 

I’m still trying to get RU and IJN ships to click with me the way the other nations have. I’ve just now started to finally start to get my Ibuki down and Tallin down. So I wasn’t interested too much in a premium in those countries yet. 
 

I do have Yamamoto unlocked also for special commander so I’ll probably get Yoshino next. 

[Wolfswetpaws]

On 6/23/2020 at 8:20 PM, Souza_SB said:

Which Tier X Cruiser should I take for coal?

I voted for Yoshino.

It's your choice, though.

[Ericson38]

On 6/23/2020 at 5:58 PM, AJTP89 said:

Salem is essentially a Des Moines. You switch good radar for a super heal, but other than that they're identical. Not worth spending the coal for something you can get in the tech tree.

Moskva is good, great radar, great guns. I like mine. Not sure if it's worth coal though.

Yoshino is supposed to be good, but I don't have experience with it.

The Tech Tree Petro is even better than Moskva, so why spend coal on Moskva. I have both ships, and Moskva is way bigger with weaker guns (2 km detection range bigger), guns are no match to Petro's. Isn't there anything else you can spring for ?  Moskva's 14.2 km detection is going to get real old in T10 matches. Moskva easier to hit, with large profile. Also Moskva radar is slightly better than Petro's, so expect to get focused out of DD heavy matches. Moskva is too large physically for what it is. Straight line guns don't see over anything, so very little hiding with it.

[sasquatch_research]

Hey

One real downside to Moskva is the sheer numbers of ricochets and over pens which is really annoying.  She can tank some damage but all too often its a boring bow in and camp playstyle.   

 

Pete