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It's about that time WG will announce what is coming after the new tech tree (German CVs).

Anybody got any hunches as to what it may be?

Here's my list.

 

My Top Picks:

USN BBs 2.0!

USN DDs 2.0!

 

Next Best Picks:

Italian BBs!

IJN CLs!

German CLs!

Italian DDs!

French CLs!

A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES:

"Enter" The SPANIARDS!

 

Honorable Mentions:

Pan Euro CLs/CAs

Pan Asian CLs/CAs

Pan America Nation

 

Turbo Super Cancer Picks:

Russian BBs 2.0

Russian CVs

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I suspect the Spaniards  will be under the EU tree with only UK, Russia, Italy, France and Germany have their own tech tree due to their better Navy.

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2 hours ago, Raven_of_Norway said:

Did the Spaniards even have their own Navy?

Seriously???

When has a lack of History ever confounded WG?

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4 hours ago, CAPTAIN_JACK_HOLDEN said:

It's about that time WG will announce what is coming after the new tech tree (German CVs).

Anybody got any hunches as to what it may be?

Here's my list.

 

My Top Picks:

USN BBs 2.0!

USN DDs 2.0!

 

Next Best Picks:

Italian BBs!

IJN CLs!

German CLs!

Italian DDs!

French CLs!

A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES:

"Enter" The SPANIARDS!

 

Honorable Mentions:

Pan Euro CLs/CAs

Pan Asian CLs/CAs

Pan America Nation

 

Turbo Super Cancer Picks:

Russian BBs 2.0

Russian CVs

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IJN light cruisers and the return of the Kitakami.

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3 hours ago, Raven_of_Norway said:

Did the Spaniards even have their own Navy?

 

 

1 hour ago, BearlyHereBear said:

Seriously???

When has a lack of History ever confounded WG?

Actually, Spain had a navy on par with the Netherlands. When the Europe tech tree is finished, it will likely have three separate lines of DDs centered on Sweden, the Netherlands, and Spain, plus between Spain and the Netherlands, they can even put together a cruiser line as well. Here are some likely candidates:

Spain

IV Blas de Lezo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blas_de_Lezo-class_cruiser

VI Principe Alfonso

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almirante_Cervera-class_cruiser

VII Canarias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canarias-class_cruiser

 

The Netherlands

V Java

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java-class_cruiser

V Tromp (Alternative)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tromp-class_cruiser

V De Ruyter (Premium)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_De_Ruyter_(1935)

X De Zeven Provincien

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Zeven_Provinciën-class_cruiser

 

If they wanted to string them together, they could fudge the numbers a bit and go IV Blas de Lezo, V Tromp, VI Java, VII Principe Alfonso, VIII Canarias, and X De Zeven Provincien with a paper ship at IX, but I have a few issues with that, and I am sure @Lert would as well.

 

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Oh and my vote is for the next line to be Italian Battleships

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I'm enjoying the USN destroyer line, and since there are still a fair few historical US DDs still absent from the game (or simply absent from the US tech tree), a second USN destroyer line or a line split would be great. Two of 'em should be easy- the Gleaves and Allen M Sumner classes, both of which are already represented in the Pan-Asian tech tree! There were also the Porter, Gridley, and Bagley- and a multitude of classes besides Sampson in between the Smith and Wickes, which would end up being alternate T2 ships so there's likely not much demand for them...

...I also wouldn't mind seeing a Northampton-class CA as a T6 premium, since they're the only interwar USN cruisers not represented yet- or alternately Pensacola's sister ship, Salt Lake City, since there isn't a USN premium cruiser at that tier. Maybe they could give either ship her as-delivered torpedo launchers, to differentiate her from the tech tree counterpart?

...and while I'm wishing for the entire US Navy, also the USS Olympia at T2 or T3- because if they have the other two oldest surviving steel warships (Mikasa and Aurora), the protected cruiser that put the US on the map as a world power definitely deserves some love too. They could even roll it into a promo event- X% of every purchase goes to the ship's preservation, because she needs every dollar she can get for long-overdue repairs.

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5 hours ago, Raven_of_Norway said:

Did the Spaniards even have their own Navy?

 

In the 16th century they were a naval superpower. That got stopped in 1588. They were strong for another 200 years but never fully recovered after Cape St Vincent in 1797 and Trafalgar in 1805. Modern? Small dreadnoughts, interesting RN-style CAs and DDs.

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I'm guessing Soviet Armored Blimps with Shark Paint, Mind Controlled Squids, and Large Battle BBs which manual controlled missiles.

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31 minutes ago, Merc_R_Us said:

Large Battle BBs which manual controlled missiles.

You rang?

 New Mexico-class C hull, basically.

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3 hours ago, Shannon_Lindsey said:

If they wanted to string them together, they could fudge the numbers a bit and go IV Blas de Lezo, V Tromp, VI Java, VII Principe Alfonso, VIII Canarias, and X De Zeven Provincien with a paper ship at IX, but I have a few issues with that, and I am sure @Lert would as well.

Actually a Dutch cruiser tree is entirely viable. Fr05ty made one that I fully approve of, and I have an alternate one myself. Fr05ty's would lean reasonably heavily on paper, but have a very logical progression and keep some very interesting historical ships as possible premiums, and my alternative tree incorporates more historical ships but lacks the natural progression of Fr05ty's.

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I don’t think this will be next but if I had my wish it would be a 2nd US BB line starting T3 with Delaware, Lexington BC class at T8 for the speed a la Amagi (extra wish culminating with Iowa buffed to T10 in either current tree or new one, I just think the ship belongs in the top tier).

If not that, then I’d like another Italian tree, which is more likely

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4 hours ago, Lert said:

Actually a Dutch cruiser tree is entirely viable. Fr05ty made one that I fully approve of, and I have an alternate one myself. Fr05ty's would lean reasonably heavily on paper, but have a very logical progression and keep some very interesting historical ships as possible premiums, and my alternative tree incorporates more historical ships but lacks the natural progression of Fr05ty's.

I definitely like your line better, as there are a lot more historical ships in it, although I don't like Java or De Zeven Provincien being tiered so low. Not sure why you went tech tree for De Ruyter, as it seems like a great candidate to be a tier 5 premium. It's a shame there seems to be no way to fit Tromp in. 

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1 minute ago, Shannon_Lindsey said:

although I don't like Java or De Zeven Provincien being tiered so low

Read my threads about them. They're simply not suited for higher tiers than that. Java maaaaybe, but D7P no way. It's in essence a tier 6 hull, designed and laid down pre-war,  with only 8x 152mm rifles, no torpedoes and weak armor, and you want to put her higher than I have her?

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12 hours ago, Raven_of_Norway said:

Did the Spaniards even have their own Navy?

 

Up to the civil war there are enough ships to choose from to fill up to tier 6 at least. From up there it gets tricky. By themselves it is difficult but as part of a PE tree along with the dutch and the swedes, sure they have some interesting ships.

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9 hours ago, Aivris said:

IJN light cruisers and the return of the Kitakami.

I don't think so. Yahagi, Yubari and Kuma are already in the game. Yahagi is crap as far as I've seen.  Mogami with the 6.1 inch guns is about all that is viable. Kitakami is not going to happen. So that is about it for IJN CLs.

Italian BB or DD is my guess. If they can figure out a way to make the DDs ok without to many gimmicks. 

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Italian battleships is looking likely. Rumour has it that Impero was made solely for testing Italian BB mechanics, which is a fair hint to the future.

German battle cruisers or panzerschiffe(or hybrid of both) lines would be nice, more likely than light cruisers. But with a CV line coming out soon, highly unlikely that we’d get two german lines in one year(personally would rather get German CL or panzerschiffe lines than the CV line).

On the topic of sub lines, I’m honestly thinking they might end up being thrown out or confined to a separate game mode at this point. With the community response as I’ve seen it(being extremely hit or miss) over the past month, It’s hard to say what will happen with subs(assuming wargaming is keeping an eye on the feedback of course, though they might just go ahead anyway with adding subs, wouldn’t be the first time something like this has happened).

USN destroyer leader sub branch could be an option if the DD line is getting remodelled overall.

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Russian aircraft carriers, another Russian battleship line, Russian missile cruisers, Russian missile destroyers and Russian submarines would all be a fantastic addition to the game!

 

Okay, I did it. When will the doubloons be credited to my account?

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honestly, I have an idea for How subs can be balanced. Add a CV line split called escort carriers and light (CVE/CVL). Their main purpose is to hunt down subs along with the DD and light cruisers by dropping sonar pods and depth charges. They also drop FIDO torps or basically homing torpedoes that will attempt to hit a Sub at the higher tiers. As for battleships, they should be able to drop Noisemakers. It throws off the homing of the subs and negates their ability to citadel should they even manage to hit, or alternatively, a noisemaker will basically cause a sub to "go blind" as it cannot use its sonar to "see" the BB's forcing them to disengage as that noisemaker also serves as a SOS signal for all the ASW components of the team to gather there. As for heavy cruiser, most of them should have hydro or radar so that fine.
 

as for subs, allow them to have the highest concealment values across the board, pushing stealth as their main advantage. Otherwise, I feel that instead of homing torps, you can use player controlled torps (similar to CV but in a kamikaze sense) with less damage and can be detected further away than normal torps. This way, a properly skilled sub player can do damage, but not be as broken due to homing torps citadel capability. They will have to rely purely on their sonar to "see" their target when submerged and guide the torp there. If a noisemaker is dropped or depth charges are used within a certain radius of the sub, the Sub becomes "blind" due to these noise sources overriding any ambient noise. In order to "see" while in this state, they will have to surface to periscope depth, basically exposing them to fire from surface weapons, or use an active sonar ping, basically selling his position out. A good sub captain will maintain his stealth advantage for as long as he possibly can, and he will get points for basically being deterrent rather than an actual source of incoming damage.

How i see subs should play out:

1.They are the scouts 2nd to CV planes. Their primary advantage is that they cannot receive damage from conventional means and by using their sonar, they can shadow a enemy team for as long as the captain dares to (and he gets detection XP and credits the longer he keeps them spotted via passive sonar. they are worth just as much as damage points) AKA information warfare. Keeping enemy ships spotted continuously is a very powerful and underrated tool in the eyes of many players. This aspect will only increase the subs value as an team asset when cyclone or weather effects that reduce detectability are in effect.

2.They will most often not do much damage. By that I mean they are meant as a deterrent/scout as in their real life role. They are meant to fight merchant ships, not ships of the line. When they did historically participate in surface combat, they mainly served in the information war by shadowing enemy vessels and only taking opportunistic torpedo shots which may or may not have worked. Basically, im telling WG to nerf sub torps. They are stealth infiltrator scouts, not ships of the 1960's with nuclear torps.

3.Yes, when they are found they will take ASW fire from all directions but finding clever ways to avoid all that is part of the fun. A cold waters kind of gameplay to subs where stealth and tactics working around the ASW that dictate everything should be implemented, they are a very strategic ship class and are not meant to go against surface vessels directly but indirectly via information warfare and deterrence.

4.When they stop or "run silent" they become harder to detect passively but once someone pops hydro or a CVE/CVL drops a sonar pod it's open season for the DD and CL in the area if they are there. Being able to counter them using some counter ASW tactics based on real life ones will be very interesting.

 

Oh yeah, and add back shell penetration induced flooding. this way, you can punish those light cruisers in a different way despite overpenning them like 7 or 8 times in a single salvo.

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11 hours ago, GrandAdmiral_2016 said:

In the 16th century they were a naval superpower. That got stopped in 1588. They were strong for another 200 years but never fully recovered after Cape St Vincent in 1797 and Trafalgar in 1805. Modern? Small dreadnoughts, interesting RN-style CAs and DDs.

Yes I know they had one way back when with the Armada but I don't recall them having one in WWI or WWII considering they were nuetral.

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3 hours ago, Raven_of_Norway said:

Yes I know they had one way back when with the Armada but I don't recall them having one in WWI or WWII considering they were nuetral.

Franco neutral?? Got friends whose families fought on the Republican side in the civil war who think otherwise. Knew some ex-RAAF/RAF/RCAF in my younger days, shot down over France who walked  into Spain and got their heads handed to them by the Guardia Civile simply because they were on the Allied side.

 

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