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seen a few games either I died and it was strange, killed by a shot through a mountain  or 5 seconds later phantom torps . I watched a fee games after I dies and seen , ships disappear with no fog, no smoke,, I get ok maybe a few good shots , but not miss 1 , 2 moving targets 8 plus km apart? Sad they said it was banned, but not sure how someone folks say its talent , when no subs in game and torps appear, or get shot over a mountain , by a cruiser, not a little hill but a mountain, should be ways to report issues , and they can "review: video. want to play since fun, but will not spend money on extras when game is not controlled by some anti cheat, its pretty obvious if you play enough games, or when the area around a ship , looks warped and then you miss, seen that atleast a few times , and no its not a frame rate issue.

 

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Sounds like a latency issue, not an fps issue.

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57 minutes ago, rckrtns said:

seen a few games either I died and it was strange, killed by a shot through a mountain  or 5 seconds later phantom torps . I watched a fee games after I dies and seen , ships disappear with no fog, no smoke,, I get ok maybe a few good shots , but not miss 1 , 2 moving targets 8 plus km apart? Sad they said it was banned, but not sure how someone folks say its talent , when no subs in game and torps appear, or get shot over a mountain , by a cruiser, not a little hill but a mountain, should be ways to report issues , and they can "review: video. want to play since fun, but will not spend money on extras when game is not controlled by some anti cheat, its pretty obvious if you play enough games, or when the area around a ship , looks warped and then you miss, seen that atleast a few times , and no its not a frame rate issue.

 

 Post a replay for us so we can see what you are talking about. 

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19 minutes ago, rckrtns said:

seen a few games either I died and it was strange, killed by a shot through a mountain  or 5 seconds later phantom torps . I watched a fee games after I dies and seen , ships disappear with no fog, no smoke,, I get ok maybe a few good shots , but not miss 1 , 2 moving targets 8 plus km apart? Sad they said it was banned, but not sure how someone folks say its talent , when no subs in game and torps appear, or get shot over a mountain , by a cruiser, not a little hill but a mountain, should be ways to report issues , and they can "review: video. want to play since fun, but will not spend money on extras when game is not controlled by some anti cheat, its pretty obvious if you play enough games, or when the area around a ship , looks warped and then you miss, seen that atleast a few times , and no its not a frame rate issue.

 

The bar for proving a cheat is pretty high, if you dont provide a replay of your claims... Everything has a good explanation...

Next time. post the replay...

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3 minutes ago, USMC2145 said:

Dude looking at your stats I think this is more a player issue than anything..... 

you CANNOT say that S word here.

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I play a lot, at all tiers.  I have no earthly idea what you are talking about.  So far as anti cheat software:  wargaming does a lot of things, at least according to a lot of players, wrong.  They do handle cheating pretty well.  They know that actual cheating is the end of most video games.

they do a server restart every Monday, and there is a replay system.

going back to my days in tanks, wargaming would permaban cheaters, and they do get caught.

If you are positive that other players are cheating you should send the replay to wg and let them know.

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I would be careful about posting a replay here for others to see, just in case there is a reasonable explanation, falsely accusing players in public isn’t cool.

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37 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_BABY said:

you CANNOT say that S word here.

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I guess I am just on a tangent today. 

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Can't Radar go through islands ?

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1 minute ago, alex08060 said:

Can't Radar go through islands ?

Yep, also there is a trick using the map and back to norm quickly which lets you peek over and island/mnt so you can get an idea where their ship is so you can shoot it. But that ship has to be visable of course. 

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31 minutes ago, rckrtns said:

seen a few games either I died and it was strange, killed by a shot through a mountain  or 5 seconds later phantom torps . I watched a fee games after I dies and seen , ships disappear with no fog, no smoke,, I get ok maybe a few good shots , but not miss 1 , 2 moving targets 8 plus km apart? Sad they said it was banned, but not sure how someone folks say its talent , when no subs in game and torps appear, or get shot over a mountain , by a cruiser, not a little hill but a mountain, should be ways to report issues , and they can "review: video. want to play since fun, but will not spend money on extras when game is not controlled by some anti cheat, its pretty obvious if you play enough games, or when the area around a ship , looks warped and then you miss, seen that atleast a few times , and no its not a frame rate issue.

 

Some of the stuff you mention have other possible explanations than cheating:

  • Phantom shells/torpedoes: I've seen them but they are rare, mostly rendering bugs, every time I've seen them such "ordenance" is not active (even if it hits me it doesn't "arm"). Also some CVs can make close drops, which might be easily mistaken with phantom torps.
  • Ships disappearing without smoke: Most likely its players that know how to use their concealment and go "dark", some ships (mostly DDs) can have concealment way lower than 8 km, so they can go stealth if no one else is close enough to detect them.
  • Torps appear without subs: Some DDs have very long range torps, and some players are good enough to go most (if not all) of the match undetected.
  • Shot over a mountain: Ballistics are different for different ships, for example USN Cruisers are particularly good at shooting over mountains due to their "semi-orbital" parabolic arcs; furthermore, the "spotter plane" gives the user a "birds eye" view, making it possible to make accurate shooting over mountains, even more, you can enable the "last known position" on the minimap, and there is a small circle on it that tells you where you are aiming, decent enough players can make "good guesses" as to the position on ships ... even if currently undetected.
  • "warped stuff" is likely a ping/latency issue (not necessarily your PC, or WG's servers, but any hop in between).

Now, I'm not saying what you witnessed isn't cheating, just that there are other possible explanations, it is hard to say without screenshots/replays. If you truly believe it is cheating (or a bug) you can submit a ticket to WG and send them the replay, if they find something they can correct it on a future update.

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31 minutes ago, USMC2145 said:

when the area around a ship , looks warped and then you miss, seen that atleast a few times , and no its not a frame rate issue.

i saw this ....warped is a close description but it was alot weirder... almost like a time warp actually affected my vision ..i really have no better words to describe ..maybe like the game became more round instead of flat ..im really lost for words ... i did post about a ship magiclay appearing and torping me  during ranked battles maybe a week or two ago ...but this phenomenon lasted a few hours ...i know what he saw with this part of his description  

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Why is it cheating if someone sinks you? Cheating is the least likely explanation for your visit with Davey Jones. 

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Sounds much more like latency than anything cheating related. 

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55 minutes ago, USMC2145 said:

Yep, also there is a trick using the map and back to norm quickly which lets you peek over and island/mnt so you can get an idea where their ship is so you can shoot it. But that ship has to be visable of course. 

And you can use the middle mouse button to do the same(or press down the scroll wheel)

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I was in a coop game the other day, and one of the "players" was doing odd things that caught my eye in a BB, some of the behaviour was very bot like so I watched them for half the game, shooting at part sunk ship hulls, shooting at islands with no ships beyond them, literally almost every 30sec the ship was firing with its guns pointing what appeared to be the opposing direction average of the friendly ships around it, until such point a red ship was spotted, it would then move its guns to that target and fire, and even if the target was killed in the intervening time it would still fire at its last location unless a new target was at the mid turret slue point and would plot courses to targets to be at optimal defensive angle, in that respect it was like looking at a WoWs pro.

 

looking at their profile at the end of the match, it was quite telling, almost an identical ~1250 games each in coop and random battles, a 94% win rate in coop, a 43% win rate in random battles, an account just over 2 weeks old, the German and Japanese BB lines ground out to tier 10, a relatively similar number of battles at each tier in each line of BB indicative of grinding up the tiers, with the number of games at tier 9 looking like they had used accrued FXP from the tier 3 to 9 BB to get the tier 10 early, another thing that caught my eye, it had an average main gun accuracy of ~45%, not just as an average of all ships but for each and every ship it was >44% <46%, it then dawned on my why despite its perceivable accuracy at hitting targets why it would fire at sunk ships and island in order to hide it true accuracy and to encourage and red ships to expose their position by firing!

 

Now this doesn't mean there is a nefarious bot doing the rounds, as it could be nothing more than an academic test of machine learning using a platform (wows) that they have no direct control over.

 

 

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2 hours ago, RagingxMarmoset said:

Why is it cheating if someone sinks you? Cheating is the least likely explanation for your visit with Davey Jones. 

Because when you are new, any sufficiently advanced skill is indistinguishable from cheating.

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16 hours ago, USMC2145 said:

 Post a replay for us so we can see what you are talking about. 

...and thus the immortal words that send OPs running to the hills.
No matter how many times you see someone claiming there is hacking or some kind of glitch or whatever, they never ever ever want to provide a replay to back themselves up.

It's almost like they expect us to take their word in this day and age........

16 hours ago, USMC2145 said:

Yep, also there is a trick using the map and back to norm quickly which lets you peek over and island/mnt so you can get an idea where their ship is so you can shoot it. But that ship has to be visable of course. 

Pretty sure that trick has been corrected for.

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16 hours ago, rckrtns said:

seen a few games either I died and it was strange, killed by a shot through a mountain  or 5 seconds later phantom torps . I watched a fee games after I dies and seen , ships disappear with no fog, no smoke,, I get ok maybe a few good shots , but not miss 1 , 2 moving targets 8 plus km apart? Sad they said it was banned, but not sure how someone folks say its talent , when no subs in game and torps appear, or get shot over a mountain , by a cruiser, not a little hill but a mountain, should be ways to report issues , and they can "review: video. want to play since fun, but will not spend money on extras when game is not controlled by some anti cheat, its pretty obvious if you play enough games, or when the area around a ship , looks warped and then you miss, seen that atleast a few times , and no its not a frame rate issue.

 

A replay would be nice to verify these claims...

You know, so that others can see what is actually happening and make a more accurate assessment.

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The day someone provides a replay with their OP on a cheating claim I will probably have a heart attack.

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17 hours ago, Spartias said:

Sounds like a latency issue, not an fps issue.

Nah, he's being killed by sharks with lasers.

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19 hours ago, rckrtns said:

seen a few games either I died and it was strange, killed by a shot through a mountain  or 5 seconds later phantom torps . I watched a fee games after I dies and seen , ships disappear with no fog, no smoke,, I get ok maybe a few good shots , but not miss 1 , 2 moving targets 8 plus km apart? Sad they said it was banned, but not sure how someone folks say its talent , when no subs in game and torps appear, or get shot over a mountain , by a cruiser, not a little hill but a mountain, should be ways to report issues , and they can "review: video. want to play since fun, but will not spend money on extras when game is not controlled by some anti cheat, its pretty obvious if you play enough games, or when the area around a ship , looks warped and then you miss, seen that atleast a few times , and no its not a frame rate issue.

 

To be honest, it sounds like you're having some server desync issues by the way you are explaining things, if you ever feel someone is suspicious, feel free to send me replays and I'll take a look.

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All the years i've played this i don't think i've ever seen something that isn't explained by either latency issues, old computers and skill.

It takes quite a bit of work to actively cheat on a game like this, and with constant patching its very uncommon.

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