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Marceau guns are overpowered.

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why does the Marceau Destroyer have an artillery rating of 35 for 128 mm guns..

the Khabarosvsk destroyer  has 130mm guns with an artillerty rating of 33

is there a formula or is it high to get people to buy it then they nerf it.  sounds about right.

Marceau is Definitely op

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Kremlin and République have both 100 survivability rating if I remember correctly, yet one is considered as the most squishy BB while the other is considered as the most tanky BB.

 

Rating sure is magic

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Clemson gets +1 artillery rating when it gets the gun upgrade which doubles its firepower if that gives you an idea how useful that number is.

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8 minutes ago, kagero__ said:

I don’t think those numbers actually mean anything anymore.

They never meant anything to begin with.

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Those values stop meaning stuff since 2015

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26 minutes ago, Muki41 said:

Those values stop meaning stuff since 2015

Agreed.

The numbers are pure rear cavity arbitrarily generated nonsense.

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1 hour ago, DevilD0g said:

why does the Marceau Destroyer have an artillery rating of 35 for 128 mm guns..

the Khabarosvsk destroyer  has 130mm guns with an artillerty rating of 33

is there a formula or is it high to get people to buy it then they nerf it.  sounds about right.

Marceau is Definitely op

No its not op I have one. Get one and play it you will figure it out.

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5 hours ago, DevilD0g said:

why does the Marceau Destroyer have an artillery rating of 35 for 128 mm guns..

the Khabarosvsk destroyer  has 130mm guns with an artillerty rating of 33

is there a formula or is it high to get people to buy it then they nerf it.  sounds about right.

Marceau is Definitely op

It is not OP. The higher rating means that they have a quicker reload (3 sec instead of khaba's 5 sec). But don't let those numbers fool you, the guns are rather difficult to use at range.

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Lets talk about the AA rating

 

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7 minutes ago, db4100 said:

Lets talk about the AA rating

 

While it's the one stat that actually has a bit of relevance, it's only in telling between what ships actually have AA as opposed to ships like the Somers where it's Captain Bad Advice running around with a flare gun.

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one fires 96 shells per min for a theoretical AP damage of 249,600/min and has shorter range

the other fires >136 shells per min for a theoretical AP damage of >333,200/min and has longer range

 

logically the latter will be rated higher than the former by whatever simplified formula they use to get a rating >0 <=100, noting that the UI is capped at 100 and you can improve something that's at 100 anyway, it just wont display the change.

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7 hours ago, DevilD0g said:

why does the Marceau Destroyer have an artillery rating of 35 for 128 mm guns..

the Khabarosvsk destroyer  has 130mm guns with an artillerty rating of 33

is there a formula or is it high to get people to buy it then they nerf it.  sounds about right.

Marceau is Definitely op

Ratings have been useless since the beginning.

From what I understand, they only take into account the total numbers, for example, DPM in this case. And let's say the total DPS of AA for AAA rating.

In practical situations though, there are other factors that severely affect how well these actually perform. In Marceau's case, it's the very floaty shells that make it hard to hit anything over 9km. And in AAA's case it might be that most of the AA power is concentrated within the short-range guns of about 2.5km, making it practically useless as the only time you're doing any meaningful damage is when you're already getting struck (after which the planes are protected by an immunity period anyway).

Stuff like that.

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16 hours ago, DevilD0g said:

why does the Marceau Destroyer have an artillery rating of 35 for 128 mm guns..

the Khabarosvsk destroyer  has 130mm guns with an artillerty rating of 33

is there a formula or is it high to get people to buy it then they nerf it.  sounds about right.

Marceau is Definitely op

How is the Marceau OP?

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16 hours ago, DevilD0g said:

why does the Marceau Destroyer have an artillery rating of 35 for 128 mm guns..

the Khabarosvsk destroyer  has 130mm guns with an artillerty rating of 33

is there a formula or is it high to get people to buy it then they nerf it.  sounds about right.

Marceau is Definitely op

The "ratings" are meaningless.  I've not paid heed to them since very shortly after I started playing in closed beta.  You need to do a more detailed examination of a ship's stats yourself to see what it really is, or look for a review by, preferably, @LittleWhiteMouse, or another CC like Flamu, iChasegaming or such.

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16 hours ago, DevilD0g said:

why does the Marceau Destroyer have an artillery rating of 35 for 128 mm guns..

the Khabarosvsk destroyer  has 130mm guns with an artillerty rating of 33

is there a formula or is it high to get people to buy it then they nerf it.  sounds about right.

Marceau is Definitely op

1: the in port numbers regarding how good something is is practically useless (except concealment)

2: Marceau is worse than Kleber and Mogador, and unlike Mogador and Kleber, cannot hit anything but a stationary target past 9km

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17 hours ago, DevilD0g said:

why does the Marceau Destroyer have an artillery rating of 35 for 128 mm guns..

the Khabarosvsk destroyer  has 130mm guns with an artillerty rating of 33

is there a formula or is it high to get people to buy it then they nerf it.  sounds about right.

Marceau is Definitely op

Marceau is not OP. Have you seen its shell arcs? It's certainly OP when a dumb DD that has weak guns goes at close range to it.

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13 hours ago, hanesco said:

It is not OP. The higher rating means that they have a quicker reload (3 sec instead of khaba's 5 sec). But don't let those numbers fool you, the guns are rather difficult to use at range.

 

10 hours ago, KosmicRavioli said:

Ratings have been useless since the beginning.

From what I understand, they only take into account the total numbers, for example, DPM in this case. And let's say the total DPS of AA for AAA rating.

In practical situations though, there are other factors that severely affect how well these actually perform. In Marceau's case, it's the very floaty shells that make it hard to hit anything over 9km. And in AAA's case it might be that most of the AA power is concentrated within the short-range guns of about 2.5km, making it practically useless as the only time you're doing any meaningful damage is when you're already getting struck (after which the planes are protected by an immunity period anyway).

Stuff like that.

 

1 hour ago, tfcas119 said:

1: the in port numbers regarding how good something is is practically useless (except concealment)

2: Marceau is worse than Kleber and Mogador, and unlike Mogador and Kleber, cannot hit anything but a stationary target past 9km

I think of it as a baby Colbert.  Fewer guns but harder to hit.

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On 6/15/2020 at 2:06 PM, ClassicLib said:

 

 

I think of it as a baby Colbert.  Fewer guns but harder to hit.

That description is not far off. But while the guns are harder to use, she can disappear things faster than Kleber. Depending how comfortable you are with those arcs, Marceau will probably be worth it.

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Why is Krispy Kreme so OP? please nerf ASAP, shimakaze also very OP guns please nerf it to 10s reload.

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