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Cost aside, since both are T9 premiums, which one is the better choice?

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Sieggy, as she's locked behind the RB, while Agir is just a FXP ship... relatively speaking, of course.

Agir has been nerfed during her development, while Sieggy was relatively untouched, IIRC.

I mean, it only makes sense for WeeGee to put the biggest carrot on a longest stick, hanging at a highest point... lol. :Smile_hiding:

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12 minutes ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Sieggy, as she's locked behind the RB, while Agir is just a FXP ship... relatively speaking, of course.

Agir has been nerfed during her development, while Sieggy was relatively untouched, IIRC.

I mean, it only makes sense for WeeGee to put the biggest carrot on a longest stick, hanging at a highest point... lol. :Smile_hiding:

Is Siegfried the one with the better secondaries?

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Have it.  And you're likely correct.

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6 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

Is Siegfried the one with the better secondaries? Have it.  And you're likely correct.

Sieg has longer range secondaries, but Agir has more of them. And after 4 battles with my new Sieg (two with my GK captain a secondary setup - but no manual secondaries...) and 2 with my Hindy capt (all damage control,) I am VERY underwhelmed by the Sieg's secondaries. Oh they shoot at stuff, but the most hits I've gotten was 9. Maybe it was just how much the teams were really staying at range - but I didn't land a single hit on any DDs, even ones who were relatively parked. I'm not sure what's up, if it was just bad luck or what, but really a lot of nothing so far. Maybe, the secondaries might be similar to Odin's in that they're not really good vs anything but brawling BBs. Time will tell.

It is an interesting twist to the Alaska, which is a ship I love btw and endorse it fully.

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I figure in the degree of difficulty to obtain. I would lean towards which ever is the hardest to get.

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28 minutes ago, TheArc said:

Sieg has longer range secondaries, but Agir has more of them. And after 4 battles with my new Sieg (two with my GK captain a secondary setup - but no manual secondaries...) and 2 with my Hindy capt (all damage control,) I am VERY underwhelmed by the Sieg's secondaries. Oh they shoot at stuff, but the most hits I've gotten was 9. Maybe it was just how much the teams were really staying at range - but I didn't land a single hit on any DDs, even ones who were relatively parked. I'm not sure what's up, if it was just bad luck or what, but really a lot of nothing so far. Maybe, the secondaries might be similar to Odin's in that they're not really good vs anything but brawling BBs. Time will tell.

It is an interesting twist to the Alaska, which is a ship I love btw and endorse it fully.

I would really appreciate if you could keep us informed about your next games (and capt skills used), to see if it was simply bad luck or not...

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Siegfried with AFT and manual control. 166 shots, 15 hits. For me Ägir its a VERY good ship. If you dont want regrind, pick it, the guns are very good too.

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40 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

Is Siegfried the one with the better secondaries?

Apparently so. The nerf that Agir received was on her Secondaries. Sieggy still maintained her long range (so to speak) Secondaries. 

 

30 minutes ago, TheArc said:

Sieg has longer range secondaries, but Agir has more of them. And after 4 battles with my new Sieg (two with my GK captain a secondary setup - but no manual secondaries...) and 2 with my Hindy capt (all damage control,) I am VERY underwhelmed by the Sieg's secondaries. Oh they shoot at stuff, but the most hits I've gotten was 9. Maybe it was just how much the teams were really staying at range - but I didn't land a single hit on any DDs, even ones who were relatively parked. I'm not sure what's up, if it was just bad luck or what, but really a lot of nothing so far. Maybe, the secondaries might be similar to Odin's in that they're not really good vs anything but brawling BBs. Time will tell.

It is an interesting twist to the Alaska, which is a ship I love btw and endorse it fully.

So even Sieggy isn't good for Secondary brawling, even with her long range Secondaries? That's a shame. 

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Which is better? Siegfried... all the tools plus better armor. The dispersion is god-tier. My first game in her...

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Ägir its good too. 95k, 100k, 98k, 107k, 131k, all good games, both are solid ships.

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4 hours ago, lbfreitasBR said:

I would really appreciate if you could keep us informed about your next games (and capt skills used), to see if it was simply bad luck or not...

Will do.

4 hours ago, Blorgh2017 said:

So even Sieggy isn't good for Secondary brawling, even with her long range Secondaries? That's a shame. 

Well, it was only 4 battles... I might try adding manuel secondaries to see tomorrow.

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4 hours ago, Taichunger said:

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Which is better? Siegfried... all the tools plus better armor. The dispersion is god-tier. My first game in her...

 As I recall you had help posting that score.....

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 Agir def no slouch and her guns hit where you aim.

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Just now, Ares1967 said:

 As I recall you had help posting that score.....

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 Agir def no slouch and her guns hit where you aim.

yep, that was a fun match, excellent comeback led by the three of us and that Sinop, once all the morons had been killed. 

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1 minute ago, Taichunger said:

yep, that was a fun match, excellent comeback led by the three of us and that Sinop, once all the morons had been killed. 

Ah yes.. the Sinop: "I hate fighting tier 9's.. Finishes 2nd in xp, 3 kills, dread and fireproof

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5 hours ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Apparently so. The nerf that Agir received was on her Secondaries. Sieggy still maintained her long range (so to speak) Secondaries. 

 

So even Sieggy isn't good for Secondary brawling, even with her long range Secondaries? That's a shame. 

Siegfried might have longer range secondary guns but they shoot all over the place. Agir has Graf Zeppelin guns and are much more accurate.

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topic is very interesting to me (going to pick up one soon), but as far as I can judge about (in words of Flamu) "bread and butter" - main guns, - it's simple choice - reload (Agir) vs accuracy (Sieg)
 

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So for me it's Sieg no question asked

 

(Oh hear me, RNGesus, deliver me from the sin of secondaries temptation)

of course big point is different DPM because of different number of guns as well

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4 hours ago, Corsair_I said:

Siegfried might have longer range secondary guns but they shoot all over the place. Agir has Graf Zeppelin guns and are much more accurate.

 

Both ships have normal secondary dispersion. 

Ägir used to have the GZ dispersion, but got nerfed. 

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10 hours ago, Taichunger said:

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Which is better? Siegfried... all the tools plus better armor. The dispersion is god-tier. My first game in her...

That's good to see because when Siegfried first came out with WiP vids long ago, people thought I was crazy for saying she'd be good to go.  You can't go wrong with BB guns that shoot accurately.

 

People said, "Bismarck guns is no gud" and I disagreed.  She was more accurate than the original Bismarck-class platform that people were used to.

The shells were never the problem, it was the innate wonkiness of the German BBs.

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10 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

That's good to see because when Siegfried first came out with WiP vids long ago, people thought I was crazy for saying she'd be good to go.  You can't go wrong with BB guns that shoot accurately.

 

People said, "Bismarck guns is no gud" and I disagreed.  She was more accurate than the original Bismarck-class platform that people were used to.

The shells were never the problem, it was the innate wonkiness of the German BBs.

I was pleasantly shocked to ripple a salvo of six shells and have five hit at 18 or 19 km. 

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5 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

I was pleasantly shocked to ripple a salvo of six shells and have five hit at 18 or 19 km. 

I'd say the guy getting hit at that range by that many shells from German BB guns was more surprised :Smile_trollface:

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16 hours ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Apparently so. The nerf that Agir received was on her Secondaries. Sieggy still maintained her long range (so to speak) Secondaries. 

16 hours ago, lbfreitasBR said:

I would really appreciate if you could keep us informed about your next games (and capt skills used), to see if it was simply bad luck or not...

Just an update, the Sieg secondaries are better than I feared at first. Looking over my old replays it seems that it has the issue as all other secondary ships - the newer DDs (because of their speed and being at range,) are just completely impossible to hit. The secondaries work quite well vs cruisers and BBs. 

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I was looking at the Roon last night as a comparison tier 9 German cruiser, and its secondaries have a base range of 5.0km. 

So while it's disappointing that Agir lost secondary range, especially while mounting the 128mm... it's not like Agir's secondaries are out of line with cruisers in general.  

 

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