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"Bot-piloted aircraft carriers no longer launch air squadrons without having at least one full attack flight."

It will be interesting to see how this impacts the game, especially if it leads to the return of some Operations.

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46 minutes ago, Admiral_Downes said:

"Bot-piloted aircraft carriers no longer launch air squadrons without having at least one full attack flight."

It will be interesting to see how this impacts the game, especially if it leads to the return of some Operations.

It will impact rewards  and planes down tasks significantly as the bots will go through their planes fast and then not be able to launch reduced squads. IF you don't get planes early you are SOL! :Smile_facepalm:

What would have been a far better change, and actually make sense, would be to make them use ALL squads vs just one over and over like using rockets when it is down to 1 plane while it has full torp and bomber squads. 

I don't get this change at all??? :Smile_amazed:

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I guess it depends if there is no hidden buff to bot CV plane regen that was not listed in the patch notes.

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I dread seeing on team CV bots in Co-Op. It would be nice if they worked on that AI.

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12 minutes ago, AdmiralThunder said:

What would have been a far better change, and actually make sense, would be to make them use ALL squads vs just one over and over like using rockets when it is down to 1 plane while it has full torp and bomber squads. 

I don't get this change at all??? :Smile_amazed:

Quite the assumption that, that isn't part of the change, guess we will have to wait one day and see.

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2 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

It will impact rewards  and planes down tasks significantly as the bots will go through their planes fast and then not be able to launch reduced squads. IF you don't get planes early you are SOL! :Smile_facepalm:

What would have been a far better change, and actually make sense, would be to make them use ALL squads vs just one over and over like using rockets when it is down to 1 plane while it has full torp and bomber squads. 

I don't get this change at all??? :Smile_amazed:

Maybe to force the bots to cycle through the types, instead of the onesies flights?

As usual, better ways to say things, if so, than what WG perhaps choose to use.

Why not just say; bots will cycle through squad types?

Oh well; maybe good in that you won’t keep getting spotted by the stupid onesies?

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The changes mean Bot CVs become a nonfactor after 1-2 minutes.

 

That's okay I guess.  Games end in 3-5 minutes anyways.

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31 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Maybe to force the bots to cycle through the types, instead of the onesies flights?

As usual, better ways to say things, if so, than what WG perhaps choose to use.

1.  Why not just say; bots will cycle through squad types?

2.  Oh well; maybe good in that you won’t keep getting spotted by the stupid onesies?

1.  Will they cycle?  Heck, I thought they already did that.  Shows how little attention I've been paying.  :Smile_facepalm:

2.  They will be twosies or threesies.  As soon as one "flight", not one squadron, is ready.

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46 minutes ago, Captain_Slattery said:

1.  Will they cycle?  Heck, I thought they already did that.  Shows how little attention I've been paying.  :Smile_facepalm:

2.  They will be twosies or threesies.  As soon as one "flight", not one squadron, is ready.

1: Seemed like they would play Rockets (for example,) to death, until something made them change to another type.

2: Didn’t consider that interpretation. That might not be so bad either; at least longer between getting re-spotted. (Complete PITA when your a last PvE player, and you’re trying to deal with 2-3 bots.)

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9 hours ago, AdmiralThunder said:

It will impact rewards  and planes down tasks significantly as the bots will go through their planes fast and then not be able to launch reduced squads. IF you don't get planes early you are SOL! :Smile_facepalm:

What would have been a far better change, and actually make sense, would be to make them use ALL squads vs just one over and over like using rockets when it is down to 1 plane while it has full torp and bomber squads. 

I don't get this change at all??? :Smile_amazed:

It sounds as if it implies that the bot CV will cycle through its squads if the one it's been spamming have been depleted and no longer has enough to do one full attack flight.

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On the PTS they had a challenge to play several co-op games.  I honestly cannot recall if the plane attacks were any different.  Of course, I would have paid more attention if I had read the release notes.  :Smile_facepalm:

You guys may not agree, but I think a big reason for the 'missing' ops is that WG just can't get the AI fixed on CVs.  Given they had so much developer time focused on fixing CVs after 8.0 (if you can say they are fixed), and then coding the sub disaster, they may just now be getting around to teaching bots to drive CVs.  That's my hope, anyway, since I really miss Cherry Blossom.

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thanks for sharing. that will lead to a more pleasant experience (i.e. bot cv plane farming) if the enemy bot chooses a different squadron when it gets one type depleted.

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not a large sample size, but CV player's in every game so far this morning, plane kills are up and the bot CV's are cycling through different squadrons

will be interesting to see how green bot CV's do

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On 6/9/2020 at 9:29 AM, AdmiralThunder said:

What would have been a far better change, and actually make sense, would be to make them use ALL squads vs just one over and over like using rockets when it is down to 1 plane while it has full torp and bomber squads. 

 

23 hours ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Maybe to force the bots to cycle through the types, instead of the onesies flights?

Why not just say; bots will cycle through squad types?

We all know that what WG writes and what they actually mean 'ain’t ever exactly been similar'. When i read the change I assumed they meant that they would cycle squadrons instead of just launching one type the whole match like they sometimes do. Anybody played enough yet to have an idea?

 

Edit: Maybe i should read ALL the posts. Nod to OP right above me...

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After more games, I'm even more impressed with this change. 
Matter of fact... DD players may want to avoid bum-rushing a CV late game if they have lackluster AA.
Saw a bot Kaga decimate two DD's who wouldn't wait for support or air cover. 

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Interesting. I noticed in a training room against a high difficulty bot that it prefers to send the counter type planes rather than a full squadron of a different type. So if I'm in a cruiser, it will keep sending dive bombers until it completely runs out and only then switch to something else. 

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On 6/9/2020 at 9:29 AM, AdmiralThunder said:

It will impact rewards  and planes down tasks significantly as the bots will go through their planes fast and then not be able to launch reduced squads. IF you don't get planes early you are SOL! :Smile_facepalm:

What would have been a far better change, and actually make sense, would be to make them use ALL squads vs just one over and over like using rockets when it is down to 1 plane while it has full torp and bomber squads. 

I don't get this change at all??? :Smile_amazed:

WG nerfed Narai rewards. I see this as a means to reduce coop rewards. Bot CV's will be defenseless my the time they come under direct attack.

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It seems like they would still send out reduced squads, but only after they had taken out whatever full squad was available.

I was raking in planes in the games I could get the CV to go after me.

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Oh I don't know they seem as dumb as always 

 

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Overall it doesn't seem to be a huge change in total kills (not more or less) but you definitely have longer periods with no planes flying. Seems to be a net zero effect change.

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