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I'm thinking of buying a T8 battleship in the near future, and after much research (thanks @LittleWhiteMouse, @Lertand @NoZoupForYou) I've narrowed it down to 3 possibilities*:

  • GO 'BAMA! (Thanks Gene Hackman.)

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  • Mass Terror

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  • Business In the Front

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Yeah, I've done research, but I'd like to throw it out to the community for input. My play style for BBs can be summed up as "not a wallflower" (I don't like to hang back on the edge of the map and snipe at long range), "doesn't usually come on too strong" (I try not to push in too quickly but have been known to get ahead of myself on occasion), and "tries not to show too much ankle" (I'm usually very conscious of not showing broadside unless I have no choice). So in other words, pretty standard, nothing special.

Be gentle.

* It was originally 4, but the reviews on Vanguard weren't good.

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Massachusetts all the way.  She punishes things well, has faster cooldown on her heal and since you end up speccing for secondaries, she also gets the bonus of swatting planes like no one's business.

Bama is really not meant for up close, and for me, feels less accurate than Massa.

Lenin is too susceptible to getting it's sides blown out by the BB you don't see looking at you more so than the other 2, due to the high exposed citadel.

edit:  Massa is just hella fun!

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29 minutes ago, Batmantis_ said:

Massachusetts all the way.  She punishes things well, has faster cooldown on her heal and since you end up speccing for secondaries, she also gets the bonus of swatting planes like no one's business.

Bama is really not meant for up close, and for me, feels less accurate than Massa.

Lenin is too susceptible to getting it's sides blown out by the BB you don't see looking at you more so than the other 2, due to the high exposed citadel.

edit:  Massa is just hella fun!

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I've never found Alabama to really stand out from the tech-tree North Carolina. If you plan on going up the American BB line, Alabama would be better as a crew trainer as you wouldn't be building the captain with secondaries if you had the Massachusetts, but gameplay-wise Massachusetts offers better variety than the North Carolina with her secondary brawling play style.

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Massachusetts fits you play style to a tee . Fun to play you can push or you can hang back a while and then push . Fast heal good AA extra added bonus she looks great in black . 

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Cant go wrong with Massachusetts. Lots of fun, and uptiers ok.

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56 minutes ago, HMS_Hoodwink said:

Yeah, I've done research, but I'd like to throw it out to the community for input. My play style for BBs can be summed up as "not a wallflower" (I don't like to hang back on the edge of the map and snipe at long range), "doesn't usually come on too strong" (I try not to push in too quickly but have been known to get ahead of myself on occasion), and "tries not to show too much ankle" (I'm usually very conscious of not showing broadside unless I have no choice). So in other words, pretty standard, nothing special.

If you like to wade in and brawl, Tirpitz is a good Tier 8 BB for that, and Massachusetts aint bad for brawling either.

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Any BB you choose from tier 8 and above, are going to be OP...

So I recommend different parameters to choose your new toy... DO you have a reason for one or the other in general ?

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44 minutes ago, FullMetal_Inferno said:

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I've never found Alabama to really stand out from the tech-tree North Carolina. If you plan on going up the American BB line, Alabama would be better as a crew trainer as you wouldn't be building the captain with secondaries if you had the Massachusetts, but gameplay-wise Massachusetts offers better variety than the North Carolina with her secondary brawling play style.

That's because Alabama wasn't suppose to. She was released as a slightly different NC with worse accuracy but better turning and torpedo belt (50% reduction), before NC got the heal buff. Now NC is just straight up better. Then they took the upgrades Lucky A got, slapped on better secondaries for a more slightly nurfed main battery accuracy and gave Mass a shorter heal cooldown because brawling. 

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Big Mamie will deliver!  Decent armor scheme, good main guns, quick heals and meme-worthy secondaries.

 

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Massachusetts is an amazing ship, so is Tirpitz.  Looks like you have zero games at T8, might want to get some experience at that tier before investing the money though.  Different maps, metas, threats, etc.  You will probbably have  a blast when you are top tier but when you meet your first smolensk at T10 you are likely going to rethink your purchase.

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29 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Any BB you choose from tier 8 and above, are going to be OP...

So I recommend different parameters to choose your new toy... DO you have a reason for one or the other in general ?

do you ever take a break from trying to push this everything is over powered agenda?

 

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32 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Any BB you choose from tier 8 and above, are going to be OP...

So I recommend different parameters to choose your new toy... DO you have a reason for one or the other in general ?

From the looks of his profile he does not have a T8 yet.  Probably hoping to play the prem t8 and free xp to T9 and 10.

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Thanks folks, this is all fantastic input!

All the research I’ve done has suggested that Alabama’s main guns have better sigma and are more accurate than Mass’s. But granted the videos I’ve seen are a couple of years old now. Has that changed?

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4 minutes ago, HallaSnackbar said:

From the looks of his profile he does not have a T8 yet.  Probably hoping to play the prem t8 and free xp to T9 and 10.

Yep, I don’t currently have anything above T7, but I’m honestly not thinking about going past T8 for a while until I get comfortable at that tier.

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35 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_BABY said:

do you ever take a break from trying to push this everything is over powered agenda?

 

Not everything is the victim of power creep. Just

  • AP (high caliber HP)
  • Planes (against small defenseless ships)
  • Fire (because BB mains hate getting sunk from Torps.)
  • Immunity against certain gun calibers.
  • Armor and interaction between shell penetrations and armor characteristics, will closely resemble WOT. 

For the sake of this thread... Its BBs...

IMO, pushing fair game play over OP WG products, will benefit the company for the long term...

Short term, WG will enforce the OP/over-capable policy... High tier/high caliber ships should be happy...

Question is...Do you like the current disproportional aspects I noted above ??? If you do cool...Many do not..

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I recommend Lenin and Alabama. I've got no experience in Massachusets, but I do have experience in Alabama and Lenin. I love both ships, do rather well in them, and Lenin is a bow-tanking king up front. I would recommend Lenin if you're going up the USSR line and Sweet Home Alabama for the US line.

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59 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Not everything is the victim of power creep. Just

  • AP (high caliber HP)
  • Planes (against small defenseless ships)
  • Fire (because BB mains hate getting sunk from Torps.)
  • Immunity against certain gun calibers.
  • Armor and interaction between shell penetrations and armor characteristics, will closely resemble WOT. 

For the sake of this thread... Its BBs...

IMO, pushing fair game play over OP WG products, will benefit the company for the long term...

Short term, WG will enforce the OP/over-capable policy... High tier/high caliber ships should be happy...

Question is...Do you like the current disproportional aspects I noted above ??? If you do cool...Many do not..

no competent player likes the state of current content the balancing is all over the place, hence why so many good players dont play anymore and steam rolls in randoms is so much more prominent. 

But wargaming will never have balanced ships as it does not benefit their targets to make ships more accessible to everyone in order to encourage more spending, like a certain ship class that got reworked i wont say because it will trigger some people. By making certain ships and ship classes easier and more rewarding for lesser skill it appeals to newer players who are more unknowing about the game and wargamings money pinching schemes and are more likely to open wallets while at the same time pushing away veteran players.

for example OP here looking at buying a tier 8 premium as he has only played 1k battles, for myself i will never spend another cent on this game but aslong as new players roll in and spend money wargaming do not care for game health, game longevity or veteran players.

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Mass all the way. You can get the Alabama experience for free playing the North Carolina. Lenin is pretty good, but you can get the all up front experience off the Tech Tree with the Nelson. Mass needs a specialised captain to shine, though.

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I have the Bama and she is a solid boat but not much different from the NC. 

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4 hours ago, ITZ_ACE_BABY said:

do you ever take a break from trying to push this everything is over powered agenda?

 

When everyone is super, no-one is

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4 hours ago, HMS_Hoodwink said:

Thanks folks, this is all fantastic input!

All the research I’ve done has suggested that Alabama’s main guns have better sigma and are more accurate than Mass’s. But granted the videos I’ve seen are a couple of years old now. Has that changed?

That hasn't changed but the difference is minor and only noticable over hundreds of salvos. It's not like Alabama drives tacks while Massa misses everytging. Sigma is overrated and overestimated.

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Massachusetts is the best at brawling of your bunch.... Because of the secondaries and fast heals... But she is the most captain points hungry of the bunch to be able to shine... BF, AF, AS, SI.. now all these BBs will fade if while pushing and you give broadside... I have all three of these and love them all.... Massachusetts can push the best because of fast heals... Lenin tanks the best with great armor thickness,(he isn't as effective against lenin) and unique damage control party.. She's more of a defender than attacker.... Alabama can play any style but but best concealment of the bunch..... She maneuvers better than NC has better torpedo reduction than NC also.... Massachusetts, Alabama both have great torpedo reduction.. Lenin not so much(defender) happy hunting Captain 😎 

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Massachusetts is an awesome ship but it has one major downside.  MASSA needs an 18 point captain to bring online. This 18 point captain will only be good on Georgia and perhaps OHIO.   If you don't have an 18 point John doe ready i would recommend grinding that first before purchasing Massa.    Alabama and Lennin  can use any tech tree BB captain and play well.

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1 hour ago, Lert said:

Sigma is overrated and overestimated.

Exactly. 

Same reason why the Russian battleship parameters of poor accuracy from afar and good up close doesn't really change much compared to their contemporaries.

Same reason why Musashi can still wreck face just as much as Yamato, with all things being equal.

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