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I've noticed this too. Fear of sub strikes without opposition means players need to protect thier counters to remove the subs. Then you need ships to destroy the counters, sometging that CAs and BBs do against Destroyers and Cruisers well. CVs scout and clean up any wounded stragglers, and Subs provide opportunity striking.

Once subs are an accepted part of the ecosystem they won't be as bad. But, people will congregate to these forums to whine, whatever is done.

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45 minutes ago, Lady_Athena said:

Even people like Flamu are too blind and whiney to understand what it all brings, and it's truly sad.. especially by how many sheep blindly follow whatever he and other "influencers" say, like blind sheep. There's far too much "Feeling" and too little "logic" on the forums and in-game for me to honestly handle, but in the hopes this post finds some air of light...

He is unicum in every ship type and played for what was the best clan in the game, pretty sure he has a fair idea of whats going on.

46 minutes ago, Lady_Athena said:

Honestly if players stopped crying about the changes because their new little anime ship can't be immune to everything anymore, they'll see these 2 ship classes actually add a lot to the game in good ways.

Like in CB this season? Yeah CV added so much dynamic game play didnt it? What a stupid thing to say.

 

48 minutes ago, Lady_Athena said:

Team with better teamwork will win.. Every.... Single... Complaint I've seen about submarines is because "I can't yolo kills anymore with complete immunity!" is the summary of every complaint.. (Especially by DD players).

You dont often get team work so ships must have counter play, hence why players hate CV's.

 

49 minutes ago, Lady_Athena said:

Do they nerf DD's? :Smile_teethhappy:

Yeah lets nerf the single most countered ship class in the game.

This thead is one of the dumbest I've seen in a long time.

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Team play was sacrificed for power creep and over capability products.

Subs and CVs are not and will not be immune to this failed WG policy..

So far, the player base is not concerned about "team play."

It is what it is..

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1 hour ago, Lady_Athena said:

Even people like Flamu are too blind and whiney to understand what it all brings, and it's truly sad.. especially by how many sheep blindly follow whatever he and other "influencers" say, like blind sheep. There's far too much "Feeling" and too little "logic" on the forums and in-game for me to honestly handle, but in the hopes this post finds some air of light...

 

What's the point of even trying to debate when you think anyone that disagrees with you is a blind sheep? Seriously what's the use in even making this thread if that how you feel about the other side. How can we talk about anything when you literally think the other side is too stupid to think for themselves and make up their own mind. What possible good do you think could come from a thread that starts out like this?

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1 hour ago, Lady_Athena said:

What does Carriers and Submarines add to the game? Directly, the need for teamwork

And the world needs less crime and more love.

 

Good luck with all three.

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2 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

I'm looking forward to seeing if this less than stellar community can over come

May we all endeavour to aspire to your level of perfection.  

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2 hours ago, dieselhead77 said:

He is unicum in every ship type and played for what was the best clan in the game, pretty sure he has a fair idea of whats going on.

Like in CB this season? Yeah CV added so much dynamic game play didnt it? What a stupid thing to say.

 

You dont often get team work so ships must have counter play, hence why players hate CV's.

 

Yeah lets nerf the single most countered ship class in the game.

This thead is one of the dumbest I've seen in a long time.

 1 ) What dose that mean ? That means he speaks for everybody because he’s a great player ? That makes him right about everything because he was in the best clan ? There’s plenty of great players that don’t agree with him .  He really is a great player I watch him but it doesn’t make him right about everything .
 
2) 80% of players don’t even play clan battles and could care less that CVs are supposedly wrecking that game mode  . Besides how many times have CVs even been in CB .
 

3) Contrary to what is written in all these forums everybody doesn’t hate CVs or nobody would be playing them . It’s the same people complaining over and over again . You don’t have to follow the forums long to figure out how it works here . We have to get rid of a whole class of ship that’s been hear since the games inception because people won’t work as a team ?

4) Oh boy the poor DD again so much on there plate bla bla bla . 
 
5) At least it’s isn’t the standard bunch of cliched complaints about CV , Subs , or anything new that WG adds to this game .
 
47% win rate 700 Pr  39, 600 Average damage ,

So people don’t have to look it up and tell me I can’t have an opinion .

I don’t know what to make of subs but if they are bad for the game I will be the first to say it . 
I’m just going to wait first and not pretend I know the answers already . CVs are fine I don’t play them and they don’t bother me I just hit the battle button and go . People can have an opinion either way doesn’t mean there dumb . 

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2 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

<wall of self-righteous text>

     To paraphrase a fellow forumite: adapting to crap is still crap.

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2 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

Even people like Flamu are too blind and whiney to understand what it all brings, and it's truly sad.. especially by how many sheep blindly follow whatever he and other "influencers" say, like blind sheep. There's far too much "Feeling" and too little "logic" on the forums and in-game for me to honestly handle, but in the hopes this post finds some air of light...

Out of all the complaints though there is one which is true more than anything.. There is not enough emphasis on teamwork.. So nobody does...

What does Carriers and Submarines add to the game? Directly, the need for teamwork.

 

Carriers bring the need to overlap AA.
 

Submarines bring the need to support your DD so they can do their historical job of anti submarine, and picket defense for the fleet.

 

Honestly if players stopped crying about the changes because their new little anime ship can't be immune to everything anymore, they'll see these 2 ship classes actually add a lot to the game in good ways.

 

Team with better teamwork will win.. Every.... Single... Complaint I've seen about submarines is because "I can't yolo kills anymore with complete immunity!" is the summary of every complaint.. (Especially by DD players).

 

Does submarines add a new dynamic? Of course.

Is that dynamic something you can dislike? Of course.

Are they completely broken OP? Don't be stupid.

Do they nerf DD's? :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Let's be honest, they only nerf bad DD players..

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That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing if this less than stellar community can over come the new dynamic and find how good actual team work as the game becomes far more enjoyable for myself because of it. (and hopefully weed out those horrible DD players who think the ship class is somehow difficult).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep hoping. will never happen.

Back then just after release when we were all learning the game, there was such "teamwork" where players grouped and worked together. If you were in a Cleveland (tier 6 then) you escorted your BBs (you even paced down so you have the same speed as him) to protected them for the initial air strikes.

Oviously this was in detriment of CVs who lobbied and Cleveland was nerfed. So the reason for teamwork was removed. It's been 3 years of this and WG did nothing to solve it, when after CV rebork there was a chance of this to happen again, they again nerfed AA overall to the ridiculous thing we have today.

So, sorry I hope nothing to improve thanks to the CVs and Subs.

 

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2 hours ago, Rouxi said:

What's the point of even trying to debate when you think anyone that disagrees with you is a blind sheep? Seriously what's the use in even making this thread if that how you feel about the other side. How can we talk about anything when you literally think the other side is too stupid to think for themselves and make up their own mind. What possible good do you think could come from a thread that starts out like this?

This is how she operates on every topic. 

As far as subs go, they add exactly NOTHING of value to the game. 

DDs already have too much to do, and most are dead in the first few minutes anyway. 

Light cruisers have to over-expose themselves because of the idiotic way depth charges work, and most of them will die going after the subs. 

So once the only two classes that can counter subs are dead...what then? BBs can do nothing, not can heavy cruisers.

I'm sure this will all make for some super engaging gameplay. :cap_old:

Subs should stay in their own game mode if they are to be implemented at all. Otherwise, subs will finish what the CV rework started and drive away all but the most potato of players.

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3 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

What does Carriers and Submarines add to the game? Directly, the need for teamwork.

Carriers bring the need to overlap AA.
Submarines bring the need to support your DD so they can do their historical job of anti submarine, and picket defense for the fleet.

If you think being in close proximity to other ships is what constitutes teamwork..... Coordinating with your team to create crossfires from BBs? That's teamwork. Using smoke to help your team? That's teamwork. DDs screening for their BBs by acting as early warning for torps? That's teamwork. Having to be in a deathball to avoid damage? That's just boring gameplay. 

Submarines do not bring a newfound need to support your DD. There's already a need for that, it's just people don't do it. What makes you think that submarines will fix that?

3 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

Even people like Flamu are too blind and whiney to understand what it all brings, and it's truly sad.. especially by how many sheep blindly follow whatever he and other "influencers" say, like blind sheep. There's far too much "Feeling" and too little "logic" on the forums and in-game for me to honestly handle, but in the hopes this post finds some air of light...

While you're being condescending and rude to people that hold different views, people like Flamu are creating arguments with actual logical basis. Quite unlike your vague and unsupported claim that CVs and subs will encourage teamwork. Let's not ignore the fact that you're conveniently ignoring all the problems that subs are known to bring. I guess according to you we're supposed to just ignore them because "moRe teAmWoRk".

3 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

Every.... Single... Complaint I've seen about submarines is because "I can't yolo kills anymore with complete immunity!" is the summary of every complaint.. (Especially by DD players).

If this the only thing you've seen with regards to the complaints about subs, you clearly haven't watched the Flamu video properly (nice job calling someone blind and whiney without actually understanding their argument), or bothered understanding what the complaints are actually about. I guess that's why you haven't even attempted to actually refute the complaints, and went off on a tangent that is rather irrelevant. 

Finally, you want blind and whiney? Check out the battleship mains. We literally have a CC who complains that "battleships are not the majority anymore" when they never have been and never should be, lol. 

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Finally a high functioning adult posts an honest thread about the game and two of its hottest topics. Perfectly said. Hits multiple nails on the head. Great post. 

Many feels were hurt in the production of this post. Watch as children respond with false outrage for being outed by the truth and make sad excuses for their sad and obsolete concepts on how a constantly evolving game is now meant to be played. 

Every down vote is a badge of honor in this case Lady. Bravo! BRAVO!!

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NB4 the usual parade of purple posters comes in to spout about their vast knowledge of game balancing, stats, fun, and of course KOTS.   

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4 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

Even people like Flamu are too blind and whiney to understand what it all brings, and it's truly sad.. especially by how many sheep blindly follow whatever he and other "influencers" say, like blind sheep. There's far too much "Feeling" and too little "logic" on the forums and in-game for me to honestly handle, but in the hopes this post finds some air of light...

Out of all the complaints though there is one which is true more than anything.. There is not enough emphasis on teamwork.. So nobody does...

What does Carriers and Submarines add to the game? Directly, the need for teamwork.

Carriers bring the need to overlap AA.

Submarines bring the need to support your DD so they can do their historical job of anti submarine, and picket defense for the fleet.

Honestly if players stopped crying about the changes because their new little anime ship can't be immune to everything anymore, they'll see these 2 ship classes actually add a lot to the game in good ways.

Team with better teamwork will win.. Every.... Single... Complaint I've seen about submarines is because "I can't yolo kills anymore with complete immunity!" is the summary of every complaint.. (Especially by DD players).

Does submarines add a new dynamic? Of course.

Is that dynamic something you can dislike? Of course.

Are they completely broken OP? Don't be stupid.

Do they nerf DD's? :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Let's be honest, they only nerf bad DD players..

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That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing if this less than stellar community can over come the new dynamic and find how good actual team work as the game becomes far more enjoyable for myself because of it. (and hopefully weed out those horrible DD players who think the ship class is somehow difficult).

 

How clueless do you have to be to not realize that that putting more unbalanced crap in the game isn't going to suddenly make this player base play like a team.:Smile_facepalm:

This is who the game attracted, and all the whiney little complaints aren't going to change that......

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3 hours ago, Rouxi said:

What's the point of even trying to debate when you think anyone that disagrees with you is a blind sheep? Seriously what's the use in even making this thread if that how you feel about the other side. How can we talk about anything when you literally think the other side is too stupid to think for themselves and make up their own mind. What possible good do you think could come from a thread that starts out like this?

Basically, the message has completely shut you down so now you must resort to critiquing the delivery.  Gotcha....

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7 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

Even people like Flamu are too blind and whiney to understand what it all brings, and it's truly sad.. especially by how many sheep blindly follow whatever he and other "influencers" say, like blind sheep. There's far too much "Feeling" and too little "logic" on the forums and in-game for me to honestly handle, but in the hopes this post finds some air of light...

Out of all the complaints though there is one which is true more than anything.. There is not enough emphasis on teamwork.. So nobody does...

What does Carriers and Submarines add to the game? Directly, the need for teamwork.

 

Carriers bring the need to overlap AA.
 

Submarines bring the need to support your DD so they can do their historical job of anti submarine, and picket defense for the fleet.

 

Honestly if players stopped crying about the changes because their new little anime ship can't be immune to everything anymore, they'll see these 2 ship classes actually add a lot to the game in good ways.

 

Team with better teamwork will win.. Every.... Single... Complaint I've seen about submarines is because "I can't yolo kills anymore with complete immunity!" is the summary of every complaint.. (Especially by DD players).

 

Does submarines add a new dynamic? Of course.

Is that dynamic something you can dislike? Of course.

Are they completely broken OP? Don't be stupid.

Do they nerf DD's? :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Let's be honest, they only nerf bad DD players..

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That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing if this less than stellar community can over come the new dynamic and find how good actual team work as the game becomes far more enjoyable for myself because of it. (and hopefully weed out those horrible DD players who think the ship class is somehow difficult).

 

...and I thought I sometimes come off as arrogant and opinionated.

But at least I'm not naive.  :Smile_veryhappy:

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, thebigblue said:

Basically, the message has completely shut you down so now you must resort to critiquing the delivery.  Gotcha....

How laughable a position to take, as is your blind defense of the OP.  If the OP is deadset on trying to shame the playerbase for not liking WG's very flawed subs implementation (as well as WG not really listening to feedback they don't want to hear), why waste time and bandwidth arguing with a brick wall?

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2 hours ago, So_lt_Goes said:

     To paraphrase a fellow forumite: adapting to crap is still crap.

Yeap. 

We can adapt to  a lot of things, and learn to deal with them, but that doesn't make them good things or things we should just accept. 

All these "submarines" bring to the game is an increase in bad gameplay.  

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5 hours ago, Lady_Athena said:

Even people like Flamu are too blind and whiney to understand what it all brings, and it's truly sad.. especially by how many sheep blindly follow whatever he and other "influencers" say, like blind sheep. There's far too much "Feeling" and too little "logic" on the forums and in-game for me to honestly handle, but in the hopes this post finds some air of light...

Out of all the complaints though there is one which is true more than anything.. There is not enough emphasis on teamwork.. So nobody does...

What does Carriers and Submarines add to the game? Directly, the need for teamwork.

 

Carriers bring the need to overlap AA.
 

Submarines bring the need to support your DD so they can do their historical job of anti submarine, and picket defense for the fleet.

 

Honestly if players stopped crying about the changes because their new little anime ship can't be immune to everything anymore, they'll see these 2 ship classes actually add a lot to the game in good ways.

 

Team with better teamwork will win.. Every.... Single... Complaint I've seen about submarines is because "I can't yolo kills anymore with complete immunity!" is the summary of every complaint.. (Especially by DD players).

 

Does submarines add a new dynamic? Of course.

Is that dynamic something you can dislike? Of course.

Are they completely broken OP? Don't be stupid.

Do they nerf DD's? :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Let's be honest, they only nerf bad DD players..

-------------------------

 

That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing if this less than stellar community can over come the new dynamic and find how good actual team work as the game becomes far more enjoyable for myself because of it. (and hopefully weed out those horrible DD players who think the ship class is somehow difficult).

 

 

 

 

 

 

No matter they game style of play etc, I and many thousands of others play WOW to do battle with Surface ships. I have been playing over 3 years and my love of history and Naval Warfare like Jutland and many others brought me here. I have always hated sky cancer but I understand that in the 1930,s and 40's CV's played an ever increasing role in Naval warfare so I accept CV's in tier 5 and above.

Putting CV's in with anything lower is I believe a very wrong choice for the game and the players as CV's were experimental in WW1 and it's planes did not carry out attacks against enemy fleets let alone have rockets on them. Most players also did not come here to play against Submarines, which WOW said they would NEVER put in the game.  

That's why I think their should be an option to play against subs or not to. And IMHO I think CV's should be restricted to tier 5 and above.

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7 minutes ago, GSXstage1 said:

 And IMHO I think CV's should be restricted to tier 5 and above.

Not to get too far off topic of subs, you are right. IMHO they should move all the carriers up a tier (bump the tier 4 carriers up to 5, tier 5s to 6, etc) and give them buffs as needed. Tier 4 carriers slaughtering tier 3 ships, many of which have zero or close to zero AA, is just stupid. Now if a low tier ship divisions with a tier 5 ship, well then it is on them not the carrier player as they are just asking for it. It is a great idea GSX. 

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Let's see, what do these "subs" bring to the game, and is it lacking? 

  • Trolling and griefing?  No, the game already has plenty of that. 
  • Strange mechanics?  No, the game already has plenty of that. 
  • Tasks for DDs?  No, DDs are already overloaded.    
  • Ambush attacks driving stagnant gameplay?  Already plenty of that.  

 

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16 minutes ago, GSXstage1 said:

No matter they game style of play etc, I and many thousands of others play WOW to do battle with Surface ships. I have been playing over 3 years and my love of history and Naval Warfare like Jutland and many others brought me here. I have always hated sky cancer but I understand that in the 1930,s and 40's CV's played an ever increasing role in Naval warfare so I accept CV's in tier 5 and above.

Putting CV's in with anything lower is I believe a very wrong choice for the game and the players as CV's were experimental in WW1 and it's planes did not carry out attacks against enemy fleets let alone have rockets on them. Most players also did not come here to play against Submarines, which WOW said they would NEVER put in the game.  

That's why I think their should be an option to play against subs or not to. And IMHO I think CV's should be restricted to tier 5 and above.

This is very reasonable and said without preaching to anybody +1 . I have my doubts about subs in random games but let's see what happens before we go to the mattresses  .

 

 

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