79 TadpoleFishTaco Members 110 posts 4,941 battles Report post #1 Posted May 23, 2020 I generally score near the top of my team's leaderboard in my Cossack, but I keep finding myself struggling to do damage. I have roughly a 2.0 K/D ratio but since that's mostly DDs, my damage it pretty low. I'm also struggling to land torpedoes and I think that is part of the reason I don't do a lot of damage, as I prefer using my concealment to sneak around, spot, and cap, and use my smokes to break contact and run rather than sit and farm. Somehow I'm finding myself having much higher damage games much more often in my Jervis with only an 8 pt captain (I have a 14pt cpt on Cossack). I love playing Cossack though so I'm hoping Lightning will it me like a glove as a combination of Jervis and Cossack. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
211 [MKF] Dath_1 Members 584 posts 20,416 battles Report post #2 Posted May 23, 2020 If you are killing off enemy DDs, dominating caps and controlling vision then you are definitely doing what you need to do 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
50,444 [MAUS] LittleWhiteMouse Retired WoWS Community Contributors 13,463 posts Report post #3 Posted May 23, 2020 Quality of damage means more than quantity of damage. Cossack and her younger sister, Haida, are notorious for not farming high damage totals given their inclination to contest caps, spot and bully other lolibotes. If you're winning consistently and having fun, don't fuss about your damage totals. These destroyers aren't designed to farm damage off big ships very well -- they're instead meant to be scouts and destroyer knife fighters. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
409 [FT] Mister_Tanman Members 287 posts 13,632 battles Report post #4 Posted May 23, 2020 I love the Cossack! I have over 600 games in her. And let me tell you, you are playing her exactly as she is supposed to be played. Concerning torps, they reload so fast so don’t hesitate to fire them off blindly into high traffic areas. Also single firing them into a inattentive BB really ruins their day. Few other notes. With a 5.5 detect, you will see mist DDs first. If you can ride the line of spotting them and not being detected, they alway turn tail and run when your team starts raining shells down on them. I put the super captain on her, forget his name. But the extra consumables with two kills and fast reload with just a few torp hits has saved my bacon many times late game. The Cossack is going to dominate in the next ranked season! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
79 TadpoleFishTaco Members 110 posts 4,941 battles Report post #5 Posted May 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Dath_1 said: If you are killing off enemy DDs, dominating caps and controlling vision then you are definitely doing what you need to do 8 hours ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: Quality of damage means more than quantity of damage. Cossack and her younger sister, Haida, are notorious for not farming high damage totals given their inclination to contest caps, spot and bully other lolibotes. If you're winning consistently and having fun, don't fuss about your damage totals. These destroyers aren't designed to farm damage off big ships very well -- they're instead meant to be scouts and destroyer knife fighters. 8 hours ago, Mister_Tanman said: I love the Cossack! I have over 600 games in her. And let me tell you, you are playing her exactly as she is supposed to be played. Concerning torps, they reload so fast so don’t hesitate to fire them off blindly into high traffic areas. Also single firing them into a inattentive BB really ruins their day. Few other notes. With a 5.5 detect, you will see mist DDs first. If you can ride the line of spotting them and not being detected, they alway turn tail and run when your team starts raining shells down on them. I put the super captain on her, forget his name. But the extra consumables with two kills and fast reload with just a few torp hits has saved my bacon many times late game. The Cossack is going to dominate in the next ranked season! Thanks for the feedback :) I'm having a blast in her and I love the knife fighting, I just wasn't sure if it was bad that I was getting smaller damage figures. I also experimented with the single launch torps and using them to bait ships into turning into the rest of my torps and it bumped my damage numbers up for the last few games. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
211 [MKF] Dath_1 Members 584 posts 20,416 battles Report post #6 Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, TadpoleFishTaco said: Thanks for the feedback :) I'm having a blast in her and I love the knife fighting, I just wasn't sure if it was bad that I was getting smaller damage figures. I also experimented with the single launch torps and using them to bait ships into turning into the rest of my torps and it bumped my damage numbers up for the last few games. Single launched torps are a blast. Just remember that vision control wins games, the best BB player cant do much if he has nothing to shoot... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
79 TadpoleFishTaco Members 110 posts 4,941 battles Report post #7 Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, Dath_1 said: Single launched torps are a blast. Just remember that vision control wins games, the best BB player cant do much if he has nothing to shoot... That's true. I have no reservations against racking up spotting damage and bullying caps. Is Lightning more similar to Cossack's playstyle with its stealth or is it more similar to Jervis'? I don't really know how to define Jervis since it has some stealth, but it still gets outspotted by a fair amount of DDs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
409 [FT] Mister_Tanman Members 287 posts 13,632 battles Report post #8 Posted May 23, 2020 Lighting gives up a turret for an extra torp launcher. Makes her a more well rounded ship, which goes against why I love the Cossack. Lighting guns are better at range, but I’m never shooting at range in my dd. Lighting is a good ship, but I don’t really compare her to the Cossack because I like Cossack for her knife fights. 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
211 [MKF] Dath_1 Members 584 posts 20,416 battles Report post #9 Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, TadpoleFishTaco said: That's true. I have no reservations against racking up spotting damage and bullying caps. Is Lightning more similar to Cossack's playstyle with its stealth or is it more similar to Jervis'? I don't really know how to define Jervis since it has some stealth, but it still gets outspotted by a fair amount of DDs. Lightning is just awesome... relatively stealthy, good firepower, great turret traverse and you can devastate ships with the single fire torps. It plays a bit different but that's where the Brit line became really fun for me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,539 [BNKR] CaptainKaitoGhost [BNKR] Members 2,882 posts 2,681 battles Report post #10 Posted May 23, 2020 12 hours ago, TadpoleFishTaco said: I generally score near the top of my team's leaderboard in my Cossack, but I keep finding myself struggling to do damage. I have roughly a 2.0 K/D ratio but since that's mostly DDs, my damage it pretty low. I'm also struggling to land torpedoes and I think that is part of the reason I don't do a lot of damage, as I prefer using my concealment to sneak around, spot, and cap, and use my smokes to break contact and run rather than sit and farm. Somehow I'm finding myself having much higher damage games much more often in my Jervis with only an 8 pt captain (I have a 14pt cpt on Cossack). I love playing Cossack though so I'm hoping Lightning will it me like a glove as a combination of Jervis and Cossack. No, it isn't all right at all. In fact, you should just give your Cossack to me, so that I can play her properly. I'm lying, I just really want a Cossack. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
388 [-GOD-] bosco1111 [-GOD-] Members 1,385 posts Report post #11 Posted May 24, 2020 14 hours ago, LittleWhiteMouse said: Quality of damage means more than quantity of damage. Cossack and her younger sister, Haida, are notorious for not farming high damage totals given their inclination to contest caps, spot and bully other lolibotes. If you're winning consistently and having fun, don't fuss about your damage totals. These destroyers aren't designed to farm damage off big ships very well -- they're instead meant to be scouts and destroyer knife fighters. What she said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
409 [FT] Mister_Tanman Members 287 posts 13,632 battles Report post #12 Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) Also, with the right upgrades you get a 3 1/2 minute hydro. Edited May 24, 2020 by Mister_Tanman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites