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HMS Royal Sovereign/Arkhangelsk Tiering

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If WG were ever to bring in a Revenge class vessel, most likely HMS Royal Sovereign as she also pulled duty for the Soviet navy as Arkhangelsk, do we suspect that she would be tier VI or tier VII?

My limited understanding of the class is that it represents a slower, better protected counterpart to the Queen Elizabeth class. I’m curious to know if the extra protection would be enough (probably along with some massaging of the gun stats) to bring it up to tier VII, or if she’d be a functional retread of QE/Warspite. 

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I would have to imagine tier VI.  Hood makes tier VII with high speed and her rocket AA gimmick.  Can you imagine a 21kt tier VII battleship?  :Smile_sceptic:

Now the Archanlesk may have a different tiering  problem, what with her 0 degree/second turret traverse.

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6 minutes ago, Mono_De_Mantequilla said:

Can you imagine a 21kt tier VII battleship?  :Smile_sceptic:

Sure, how about the USS Colorado, and man is she slow. 

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Well, the Russian version wouldn't be able to rotate it's turrets if it was historical. In Soviet service, they let it sit so long that the turrets jammed in place.

A better fit might be HMS Renown. While being a battlecruiser, it would at least have a top speed of 32 knots, and keep 6 15" guns. Both it and HMS Repulse have a sizable amount of history between them.

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Tier 6, too slow for Tier 7 with no special gimics from the historical record and a 15" gunned Battleship would be brokenly OP at Tier 5

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She looks like Tier VI material.

381mm x8

23kts.

 

Colorado in Tier VII at least has 406mm x8, even then it's not a fun place to be for her.

Revenge-class succeeded Queen Elizabeth-class, so Royal Sovereign in Tier V would be too strange.

 

I can see a dual RN BB & RU BB release for her.  It's not a drastic change as she was equipped while in RN service in WWII and then transferred to the USSR in 1944.  Hell, WG could have the same model, do a RN & Russian paint job and BAM!  Two Premium BBs for sale!

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3 hours ago, SkaerKrow said:

If WG were ever to bring in a Revenge class vessel, most likely HMS Royal Sovereign as she also pulled duty for the Soviet navy as Arkhangelsk, do we suspect that she would be tier VI or tier VII?

My limited understanding of the class is that it represents a slower, better protected counterpart to the Queen Elizabeth class. I’m curious to know if the extra protection would be enough (probably along with some massaging of the gun stats) to bring it up to tier VII, or if she’d be a functional retread of QE/Warspite. 

 

Tier VI. Like you said shes basically a worse QE. The QE's are clearly T6, smack in the middle IMO. Royal Sovereign should be a T6 as well, she'd be to OP at T5 and would be obsolete at T7(think Colorado with weaker guns, Colorados got the worst stats at T7 as is). Someone else on another thread was mentioning it made more sense to make Royal Sovereign the Tech Tree T6 and make QE and Warspite premiums and I agree with this. They nerfed QE anyway for that role. But that ships sailed. Royal Sovereign might be the potential BB class that makes the least sense to release cause you're going to be charging someone a T6 price for something that is going to have to be considerably slower/worse than the QE/Warspite.

Extra protection wouldn't be close to enough to make this class T7. QE/Warspite is already super well protected, not like the Royal Sovereign is the slow well protected class and QE is the fast poorly protected one. Warspite feels like a tank. According to wikipedia their belt armor is pretty much the same and RS's is better elsewhere but just don't see it making a big difference because QE/Warspite's armor is a strength at T6. How much further can you go in that direction?

IMO WG would be better off releasing Bahram as a third ship in the QE class than doing Royal Sovereigns cause at least then it wouldn't be a downgrade and you can make it different via gimmicks. Also think class repeats Rodney and Prince of Wales make more sense for the same reason. Think both of those would be T7's make more sense than a T6 RS or Bahram though. Then there's BC's. 

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2 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

She looks like Tier VI material.

381mm x8

23kts.

 

Colorado in Tier VII at least has 406mm x8, even then it's not a fun place to be for her.

Revenge-class succeeded Queen Elizabeth-class, so Royal Sovereign in Tier V would be too strange.

 

I can see a dual RN BB & RU BB release for her.  It's not a drastic change as she was equipped while in RN service in WWII and then transferred to the USSR in 1944.  Hell, WG could have the same model, do a RN & Russian paint job and BAM!  Two Premium BBs for sale!

The Russian one would have better stats though. 

Like Marblehead/Murmansk...

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8 hours ago, Jolly_Rodgered said:

Sure, how about the USS Colorado, and man is she slow. 

     Touche'

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You could realistically do T5 or T6.

T5 in a low-power configuration with poor accuracy and little of the refit present.

T6 would need a few tricks to keep up with the faster, more HP (more displacement) and better AA equipped Queen Elizabeth. I think supercharges for the AP shells would help out.

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11 hours ago, Mono_De_Mantequilla said:

Can you imagine a 21kt tier VII battleship?  :Smile_sceptic:

 

Yeah, it is called USS Colorado

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11 hours ago, UltimateNewbie said:

The Russian one would have better stats though. 

Like Marblehead/Murmansk...

I'll believe it when I see it.

The Omaha-class disparity was way back in 2015.

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The R-class were more or less slower, cheaper QEs, so Royal Sovereign/Arkhangelsk are easy T6 fits, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do a Boise/NdJ and make it a dual nation ship.

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It would be T6. Gamewise there isn't much difference between a Queen Elizabeth (QE and Warspite in-game) and a Revenge class (Royal Sovereign/Arkhangelsk). The as-built the QEs were a bit faster and larger, but had slightly less armor. By WWII, the QEs were much better ships. Most of them had some level of modernization over the years. The RN had so little regard for the Revenges that very few got significant modernization and were mostly serving in convoy escort duties. Royal Sovereign was about to be taken out of service and be put in reserve with most of the other Revenges when she was transferred to the Soviets. I can't imagine how she would be a T7 ship. I think she is a solid T6.

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