AA too OP. Needs nerf especially Halland AA

[behindurback]

Just got tier 10 IJN CV and every game there OP AA shredding my entire squad of planes before I can even strike once.

Especially Halland how does a tiny DD have more AA than a huge BB? That's so OP. 

Played two games in the IJN CV and both games got deplaned in the first five minutes after two strike attempts. Then had to wait forever for them to grow back! By that time the game is over!  Of course lost both games...

WG pls fix this and make CV playable!

[Oldschool_Gaming_YT]

2 minutes ago, behindurback said:

Just got tier 10 IJN CV and every game there OP AA shredding my entire squad of planes before I can even strike once.

Especially Halland how does a tiny DD have more AA than a huge BB? That's so OP. 

Played two games in the IJN CV and both games got deplaned in the first five minutes after two strike attempts. Then had to wait forever for them to grow back! By that time the game is over!  Of course lost both games...

WG pls fix this and make CV playable!

You sum of all my feelings about clueless cv players.

[AlcatrazNC]

 

 

And I still had some planes left. Halland AA is strong yes but the ship is far from being immune to CV. Meanwhile I wish my Shima, Kléber, Marceau or Harugumo could shred as many planes as Halland vs an average CV player.

[Burnsy]

Halland's AA is good AA.  It will take down planes and it will let you know that it means business.  The CV player needs to be aware of it and understand what it is capable of.

There is no way that you should be completely deplaning the Hak in 5 minutes though.  You are flying face first into flak or something, a lot. 

[Navalpride33]

[Burnsy]

There are a bunch of videos on youtube that will explain how to avoid flak and how to minimize your time in close range AA.  Check them out and they might help you out.

[Burnsy]

20 minutes ago, Tyberius_D said:

And this time they can't call the OP a scrub...

A large number of his CV games are from the old RTS CVs.  Specifically in the old Saipan (which was a monster back then, but is now one of the worst premium CVs). Does that count the old CV stats?  I dunno.

He does have almost 80 games at 59% in the reworked T8 IJN CV, which are great stats but that ship will also face the Halland.  So I am confused, he should have been facing the Halland already in a lessor CV and he seems to have done a great job in it.

[neptunes_wrath]

 

[jags_domain]

10 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

There are a bunch of videos on youtube that will explain how to avoid flak and how to minimize your time in close range AA.  Check them out and they might help you out.

Holland is aa op.  No dosging can help that.

[jags_domain]

30 minutes ago, behindurback said:

Just got tier 10 IJN CV and every game there OP AA shredding my entire squad of planes before I can even strike once.

Especially Halland how does a tiny DD have more AA than a huge BB? That's so OP. 

Played two games in the IJN CV and both games got deplaned in the first five minutes after two strike attempts. Then had to wait forever for them to grow back! By that time the game is over!  Of course lost both games...

WG pls fix this and make CV playable!

Holland and range from Russian ships.

Aside from Russian BB being way to strong in general there AA is massive and very long range.

[Burnsy]

12 minutes ago, jags_domain said:

Holland is aa op.  No dosging can help that.

It's got good AA, but it isn't going to deplane a Hak all by itself unless the player is running full squads into it over and over.

I face a lot of them in Clan Battles this season, they hurt and you have to be aware of what they can do, but they aren't are THAT bad.

[El2aZeR]

Halland is actually among the worst AA ships you can pick - against skilled CV players that is.

Reasons why are quite simple.
- Halland's AA is quickly neutered by consecutive strikes which will easily smash over half of her AA mounts in short order.
- She is completely reliant on DFAA as her base AA is mediocre.
- She is a gigantic DD, thus takes monstrous damage from rocket and HE bomb strikes.
- She has no smoke to disengage.
- Her air detection is on the worse side of the spectrum, enabling first approach strikes by quite a few rocket planes

The only thing that makes her somewhat annoying to deal with is the heal.

Couple of examples:

 

Admittedly tho Hakuryu has the most issues dealing with Halland as her rockets are kinda meh nowadays. Want to make Halland lives miserable? Play Midway with Tiny Tims.

 

19 minutes ago, Tyberius_D said:

And this time they can't call the OP a scrub...

You should use the filter. He's actually terrible.

[Burnsy]

12 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

You should use the filter. He's actually terrible.

A 59% win rate in the T8 is terrible?  Sounds pretty darned good to me.  Which is why I am confused about the thread.

[DocWalker]

I came expecting the old, tired, but often relevant "Oh wait, you're serious?" meme ... but classic Frazier is always a winner.

[El2aZeR]

5 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

A 59% win rate in the T8 is terrible?  Sounds pretty darned good to me.  Which is why I am confused about the thread.

WR becomes representative only after a large amount of battles. For example if someone were to boast a WR of 100% over 10 battles, that won't make them some kind of god. The OP has played only 78 battles in the Shokaku. WR typically becomes representative after 150-200 battles.

This is why all other stats must be taken into consideration as well - which show at best a mediocre picture. 55k average damage with 1.14 average frags per match in the best still available T8 CV are far from the hallmarks of a skilled CV player.

[Andreas_Jager]

Anything that makes a CV's life harder gets my vote. AA has been nerfed into the ground, time to nerf CVs.

[shiroko_prpr]

16 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

The only thing that makes her somewhat annoying to deal with is the heal.

Oh yeah definitely agree with that. One moment the Halland is an easy oneshot, then it goes stealth while you prepare a rocket attack and then it comes back up at half health. 

[Mizzerys_Fate]

1 hour ago, behindurback said:

Just got tier 10 IJN CV and every game there OP AA shredding my entire squad of planes before I can even strike once.

Especially Halland how does a tiny DD have more AA than a huge BB? That's so OP. 

Played two games in the IJN CV and both games got deplaned in the first five minutes after two strike attempts. Then had to wait forever for them to grow back! By that time the game is over!  Of course lost both games...

WG pls fix this and make CV playable!

After the 20 ners to AA that neutered previous AA premium ships, your not going to get any love.

.....

As a Haland driver, bring it on... good CV can still chunk me, but he'll lose all the planes.

[_SterlingArcher_]

#justdodge

#gitgud

#justadapt

[Col_Nasty]

[Pay_Your_Torpedo_Tax]

God forbid a DD gets to put up a little bit of a fight huh.....

[Merc_R_Us]

I made a similar post not a while back. I just started playing this game quite heavily and am still relatively new. 

I've accepted the fact that the Halland is THE counter to CVs. I get very annoyed when I have to play against 2 of them and a mino, Worcester, or smolesk all in the same match, but the thing is we usually win those; why, because hallands aren't built for capping like the other DDs. 

An anti air build halland will win every time vs a CV 1-1. The CV is technically supposed to be the strongest ship type in the game and real life but I'm ok with it. 

Scout for the halland at the beginning and avoid it for the rest of the game unless:

It didn't have it's AA off at the beginning

Or 

It is detected by another ship. Then you can fly in and strike it.

[Brohk]

2 minutes ago, Merc_R_Us said:

I've accepted the fact that the Halland is THE counter to CVs

This sentence is so very sad, for a myriad of reasons. One whole DD is "THE" counter? I get that you are new, but damn man, that is sad state of affairs. Sorry to go boomer on you, but way back when, USN ships were "THE" counter. Now we are down to one whole DD? And that is somehow... bad? 

4 minutes ago, Merc_R_Us said:

An anti air build halland will win every time vs a CV 1-1.

Still depends on the skill of the Halland player relative to the CV player. 

[Merc_R_Us]

Just now, Brohk said:

This sentence is so very sad, for a myriad of reasons. One whole DD is "THE" counter? I get that you are new, but damn man, that is sad state of affairs. Sorry to go boomer on you, but way back when, USN ships were "THE" counter. Now we are down to one whole DD? And that is somehow... bad? 

Still depends on the skill of the Halland player relative to the CV player. 

By THE counter I mean that 2 pro players vs each other 1-1 the halland wins. 

2 unicum players, head on, the halland wins. I'm teching to get the thing myself cause I love shooting planes down. 

[PrinzEugen85]

"Please nerf AA escort cruisers so I can roll face unimpeded okthx"