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So what are US CA/CLs good at again?

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They are much better at shooting over islands. They are much worse at shooting at long range. So RU CA have a higher risk reward. You can play much more safely with US CA. 

Going to be a play style choice.

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They are good at burning down Iowas and Georgias from behind islands.

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US CAs and CLs are some of the best cruisers in the game. Just because they dont fit the open water playstyle doesnt mean they are bad ships at all. 

 

And AA rating doenst mean much, you need to check individual stats for AA aura, range and flak. Anyway, AA all around is in a really poor state right now, CVs just laugh from "good AA ships".

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On top of what's aready been mentioned, they have superior radars. Also, the light cruisers can use DFAA and hydro together, which is good.

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2 minutes ago, Xlap said:

US CAs and CLs are some of the best cruisers in the game. Just because they dont fit the open water playstyle doesnt mean they are bad ships at all. 

 

And AA rating doenst mean much, you need to check individual stats for AA aura, range and flak. Anyway, AA all around is in a really poor state right now, CVs just laugh from "good AA ships".

Based on what? US cruisers are pretty much bottom of the barrel stats wise, so exactly what do you base your statement on?

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20 minutes ago, Telastyn said:

Because now we've got tier 8 paper RU CAs with 85 AA rating...

These comparative ratings mean pretty much nothing anymore.  You need to know what shoots out to where, freq, etc.

USN cruisers are still some of the most flexible cruisers in game with the largest toolkits.

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American CA and CL actually have a cool history.  So you can actually read about them.

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The ratings in port are mostly useless. For whatever little it matters, Baltimore with 77 AA rating has significantly better AA than Pyotr with 85.

 

1 minute ago, awiggin said:

Based on what? US cruisers are pretty much bottom of the barrel stats wise, so exactly what do you base your statement on?

You can't just use the average stats from wows-numbers. US ships are known for being popular with potatoes (the infamous USN playerbase), and the US cruisers are high skill floor ships which only furthers that. The wows-numbers stats are also from the lifetime of the ship, and the Des Moines specifically has been buffed several times since the game was released.

 

US cruisers are some of the best performing ships for good players.

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9 minutes ago, pewpewpew42 said:

On top of what's aready been mentioned, they have superior radars.

Wut? They have shorter radars, and stuck behind islands they're not actually able to use them _and_ shoot dds.

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9 minutes ago, Telastyn said:

Wut? They have shorter radars, and stuck behind islands they're not actually able to use them _and_ shoot dds.

USN Radar is shorter range, but has longer duration, making it much less selfish and, IMO much more useful. Remember that during the first 6(?) seconds of radar targets are only rendered for the ship using the consumable. This represents a significantly longer proportion of the total radar time for Soviet cruisers. USN cruisers are also great at shooting targets from behind islands.

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36 minutes ago, paradat said:

They are much better at shooting over islands. They are much worse at shooting at long range. So RU CA have a higher risk reward. You can play much more safely with US CA. 

Going to be a play style choice.

Just wait for Russian CVs

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Just now, barbaroja_Ar said:

Just wait for Russian CVs

Errr… OK 

What trait do you think the RU CV's will have?

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1 minute ago, paradat said:

Errr… OK 

What trait do you think the RU CV's will have?

Just joking, but not. less than Kremlin like rocket planes

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1 minute ago, barbaroja_Ar said:

Just joking, but not. less than Kremlin like rocket planes

Oh OK lol. I did not get where you were going. OK

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8 minutes ago, paradat said:

Errr… OK 

What trait do you think the RU CV's will have?

 my guess is less concealment for higher maneuverability based on this leaked image of the Russian tier 4 CVconcept ships: Soviet Atomic Powered Ground-effect Light Carrier ...

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28 minutes ago, Nevermore135 said:

USN Radar is shorter range, but has longer duration, making it much less selfish and, IMO much more useful. Remember that during the first 6(?) seconds of radar targets are only rendered for the ship using the consumable. This represents a significantly longer proportion of the total radar time for Soviet cruisers. USN cruisers are also great at shooting targets from behind islands.

DD getting caught by something like Des Moines radar is bad, bad news for them.  It's up a long time and eventually derpty teammates realize, "Hey, there's a DD closeby I can shoot at!" and finally react and shoot also.

 

RU Radar is great but it doesn't last long.  By the time a bunch of teammates realize what you're doing, the radar is done.  Most especially these new 20 second RU Radars.

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Eh, I find RU radar far harder to play around when driving a DD at higher tiers, since torp ranges there are 10-12k.

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In fairness, many US cruisers seem to be a bit more resilient to damage and big citadel hits than most.  Especially the high-tier CAs - except the DM, whose citadel apparently is a very large electromagnet.

Also, US cruiser AP is some of the most effective AP in the game.

This is only an anecdotal observation, however this has been my experience with them.

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3 minutes ago, Kuckoo said:

In fairness, many US cruisers seem to be a bit more resilient to damage and big citadel hits than most.

Wut?!? We're talking about World of Warships right? The entirety of both lines are a floating citadel.

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1 minute ago, Telastyn said:

Wut?!?

Well, as I stated in the same comment:

4 minutes ago, Kuckoo said:

This is only an anecdotal observation, however this has been my experience with them.

So, take it for its worth.  You don't have to like it or believe it.

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54 minutes ago, paradat said:

Errr… OK 

What trait do you think the RU CV's will have?

Glorious Soviet Hypersonic missiles, created at MWG Design Bureau, (Make Weapon or go to Gulag,) and guided by the hand of Stalin himself.

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