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RU Cruiser Split Seems Odd

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Light Cruiser Gun Progression

Budy (152mm)->Shchors(152mm)->Chapy(152mm)->Donskoi(180mm)-new one(? mm) all makes sense however,

Heavy Cruiser Gun Progression

Tallinn(180mm)->Riga(220mm)->PetroPavlovsk(220mm)

 

180mm?! Huh-what? I thought min. 203mm was the definition of a heavy cruiser.

Other than it's WGs sandbox, any other reason or just "reasons".

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The Treaty definition of a heavy cruiser was one with guns over 155mm, to a maximum of 203mm. Historically every nation went immediately to the maximum heavy cruiser limit, except the Russians as they were not subject to the Treaty.

Theoretically over 203mm or over 10,000t standard displacement made you a 'capital ship'. 

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2 minutes ago, mofton said:

The Treaty definition of a heavy cruiser was one with guns over 155mm, to a maximum of 203mm. Historically every nation went immediately to the maximum heavy cruiser limit, except the Russians as they were not subject to the Treaty.

Theoretically over 203mm or over 10,000t standard displacement made you a 'capital ship'. 

Thanks. Still seems odd, Donskoi at T9 and Tallin T8 are, or might be, the same Guns.

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It's a paradox.  180mm guns are CA caliber by real life standards, but in game they are treated as CLs because they can't pen 32mm plating, but the only reason they can't pen 32mm plating is because they are given CA pen (1/6) rather than CL pen (1/5).

Or basically.....they're CAs that are CLs because they're CAs.   

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49 minutes ago, Wye_So_Serious said:

Light Cruiser Gun Progression

Budy (152mm)->Shchors(152mm)->Chapy(152mm)->Donskoi(180mm)-new one(? mm) all makes sense however,

Heavy Cruiser Gun Progression

Tallinn(180mm)->Riga(220mm)->PetroPavlovsk(220mm)

 

180mm?! Huh-what? I thought min. 203mm was the definition of a heavy cruiser.

Other than it's WGs sandbox, any other reason or just "reasons".

T10 light CL has 180 guns. And fits the line. The CA line has 220 guns that make scene for CA.

Yep 180<203mm make a light cruiser based on gun cal in game

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In strictly game terms, the 180mm on the "CL" Dmitri Donskoi compared to the 180mm on "CA" Bagration, Tallinn are very different.

 

CL Donskoi's AP doesn't hold a candle to the CA versions.  The CA versions have faster, more level flying shells.

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CL Donskoi has normal AP bounce angles, 45-60 degrees.  Even Molotov with her 180mm guns have the same bounce angles.

CA Bagration has 55-65 degrees.

CA Tallinn has 50-65 degrees.

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petro 220s have much more punch than Alaska 305s and Yoshi 310s. what a joke.

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Tallinn is a CL in game, it has 27 mm deck but only 25 mm upper belt like the Cleveland or Chapayev.

The line progression still makes sense, you're in CLs from tier 1-8 and then CAs for 9 and 10. 

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