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Would You Like To see odd tier Aircraft Carriers added back into the game as support carriers with their own lines ?  

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  1. 1. Would You Like To see odd tier Aircraft Carriers added back into the game as support carriers with their own lines ?

    • Yes
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    • No
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  2. 2. If Japan and the USA did get support carriers, should Britain and Germany get support carriers as well at a later date.

    • Yes, Britain historically had a large fleet of carriers that on occasion acted as support ships
      4
    • Yes, Germany could have cool carriers and they have fast planes. (Could make running support missions faster.)
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    • Neither, both of them don't have a fully made carrier line. (The proposed German carrier line is all paper ships anyway besides Graf zeppelin if that even counts.)
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    • Both, the more the merrier.
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    • I voted No
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  3. 3. (Read My comment at the top first) What should the support carriers' planes do special to make them worth while ?

    • Be able to re-supply allied ships with consumables or health.
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    • Be able to drop smoke screens like destroyers do.
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    • Be able to help counter subs with depth charges. (Fleet carriers already do this but they don't have depth charges) (Subs are coming soon.)
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    • Be able to give better air support to allied ships (Buffed patrol Fighter consumable that stays on the ship that the squadron is closest to.)
      7
    • Be Able to put out fires on allied ships.
      2
    • Other, explain in the comments
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    • I voted No
      1
  4. 4. What Should make american support carriers different from other nations support carriers ?

    • General versatility
      2
    • Other (State In comments)
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    • I Voted No
      2
    • (Last Minute addition) Buffed depth charges in light of historical american aerial depth charge power.
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  5. 5. What should make Japanese support carriers different from other nations carriers ?

    • Replace the buffed patrol fighter consumable with a observation plane consumable that acts similarly but as a observation plane.
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    • Other (State In Comments)
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    • I voted No
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  6. 6. What Should Make British Support Carriers different from other nation's carriers.

    • Buffed Consumable planes that drop 1 of each of an allied ship's consumables to that ship. (As Britain Historically used merchant carriers that acted as merchant vessels with flight decks.)
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    • Other (State In comments)
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    • I voted No
      2
  7. 7. What should make German Support Carriers different from other nations carriers. (If they ever get added at all.)

    • Fast Planes (Like Graf Zep's Dive Bombers)
      4
    • Other explain in the comments.
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    • I voted No on the first question or no for german support carriers
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  8. 8. If this class is ever added to the game, Would you be opposed to a premium support carrier being added like Shinano or A British MAC(Aircraft ferrying carrier built on a Yamato hull. and MAC is acronym for merchant aircraft carrier.)

    • Yes
      1
    • No, They would need to make money off this new class
      3
    • No, I think it is cool
      3
    • Yes, I voted No On the first Question.
      1
  9. 9. Balancing in matches ?

    • 1 Support Carrier is = to 1 fleet carrier
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    • 1 support carrier = another support carrier
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    • To have a support carrier in a match, you have to have fleet carriers on both teams.
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    • I voted no
      1
  10. 10. Positioning on the tech trees ?

    • Right next to the tier IV carriers, linear progression and then they don't link up to anything else down the line. (So all who want to try them can)
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    • Next to tier VI carriers, then straight progression down the line. (To have a mild skill wall so noobs don't smoke up the spawn at the beginning of a game.)
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    • Interlinked progression, starts as a class on rank VI next to ranger. (Basically you can research the ships, but the support carrier on rank VIII can research midway and Lexington can research the rank X support ship and Midway.
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    • Completely separate explain in the comments (Linked to battleships or something)
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    • Only as premiums (Logistically if the majority of the player-base doesn't care about support carriers we could have support carrier premiums at rank VI like Ark Royal But Support Variants.)
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    • I voted no
      1

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Back when the carrier rework happened, Wargaming stated that the odd carriers would be taken out of the tech trees, but could return. The motivation behind this post is to start a conversation about what ways we could add these carriers back in a supporting role.

Warning: This is a hybrid request/conversation/rant/essay by me about bringing carriers Back and improved that not everybody will hate on but still being somewhat powerful.

So my idea would be bringing back the odd carriers and arming them with support aircraft and support consumables. Basically instead of Attack, Torpedo, and bomber aircraft, we get Smoke “bomber”, Depth charge bombers, and consumable dropping “bombers”.  Now smoke bomber aircraft are self explanatory, but they drop smoke canisters that act like destroyer smokes, and smoke a area for a period of time. Depth charge Bombers would drop depth charges to help destroy submarines, like destroyers and light cruisers can do in the submarine test servers. Now what do consumable bombers do ? You might ask. They drop consumable parcels instead of bombs. This is probably the main aircraft of these Support carriers. The consumable has to be dropped on a allied ship, like a bomb or rocket, and give that ally a randomly selected consumable their ship has equipped. The reason this is powerful and can turn the tide of a battle is it can sustain a battleship or heavy cruiser with repair party  consumables to the point of allowing a small task force with a support carrier to win a game against a 4 man squad of Mushashis if they work together well enough. Now what about patrol fighters ? Well we give these support carriers a buffed fighter consumable that escorts an allied ship that it is dropped on, similarly to the ship borne fighter consumable.
 

Now what about national differences ? Well we tackle this like fleet carriers. American aircraft are just versatile, Japanese support aircraft carriers drop recon aircraft  instead of patrol fighters for their consumable. And Britain, if they ever would get this, would get their merchant aircraft carriers, in the form of consumable bombers that drop 1 of each type of consumable equipped on an allied ship. Germany doesn't get anything until they get a proper fleet carrier tree.
 

And balance between teams? I propose support carriers be added as separate from fleet carriers as their own class. They are considered less powerful than a fleet carrier and are matched with a fleet carrier on their own team so there is a 1:1 ratio of carrier borne power on the teams. So either green team gets 1 fleet carrier and 1 support carrier vs 1 fleet carrier and 1 support carrier or 2 support carriers vs 2  support carriers.

Research: I propose that these aircraft carriers are placed horizontally next to the fleet carriers at rank 6/VI and so they are behind a basic Carrier skill wall to prevent widespread groups of noobs dropping smoke on their allies at spawn.

Reason for these to exist ?: I believe these carriers could not only give meaning to the odd carriers that were dropped but these support carriers could also help the lives of other ship classes, destroyers could actually get damage instead of having to drop smoke for allies or deal with the soon to drop submarines, designated team players like me  (I like being useful by defending battleships from carriers with my Dallas) could get a new and gimmicky class of support ship, carrier players that don’t want to be hated for playing a cool class could  get a new and less hated version of it, and players who want to help turn the tide of a battle without direct combat could finally support their allies. 
 

For those who think “WHERE IN THE WORLD IS THE BALANCE” I say, you still depend on your allies to win, and you don’t have direct  power over the battle, but if your team communicates you could have a sweeping amount of influence over the game.

Premiums: (Yes, I had to add this to it to make it remotely possible) Shinano, the Yamato hull aircraft carrier. The proposition that has repeatedly been put up in suggestions as a T10 Premium but fails because of the fact it was a transport carrier instead of a fleet carrier. We could solve this by having her as a specialty support carrier that has the depth charge bombers and smoke bombers, but instead of consumable bombers, she can land a squadron of her planes on other allied carriers to refill their hanger of combat aircraft. (The aircraft would be split between the respective aircraft carrier’s aircraft classes.)  The reason for this is because she carried  aircraft in a transport hanger, not a combat hanger. This could be good reason for shinano being able to land her aircraft on other carriers. Or she could have the normal IJN  carrier aircraft and have support capabilities to make her more versatile

I end my essay here, please talk out this idea in the (comments? I think) and keep it civilized. And if anyone would kindly do some more research on the real world classes of support carriers and suggest them please do, but please credit me for the basic format/system I have put forward and the national specialties. (The actual idea of an alternate line was stated when they removed the odd tiers, and they mentioned firefighting and smoke planes.)(I spent 3 Hours working on this.)

If you would like to learn about where I got the idea, Wikipedia  merchant aircraft carriers (where I got the idea for the consumable aircraft and British specialty), the PB4Y/ B24 ( American long range bomber and maritime patrol aircraft, the PB4Y actually used depth charges and gave me the idea for the depth charge bombers.) and google the M-10 Smoke tank (a smoke tank used by the USAAF to drop a smokescreen in combat.)

 

Just a excerpt from wikipedia on MAC's or merchant aircraft carriers.

A merchant aircraft carrier (also known as a MAC) was a limited-purpose aircraft carrier operated under British and Dutch civilian registry during World War II. MACs were adapted by adding a flight deck to a bulk grain ship or oil tanker enabling it to operate anti-submarine aircraft in support of Allied convoys during the Battle of the Atlantic.

Despite their quasi-military function, MACs retained their mercantile status, continued to carry cargo and operated under civilian command. MACs began entering service in May 1943 and although originally intended as an interim measure pending the introduction of escort carriers, they remained operational until the end of the war in Europe.

Edited by Penguinattack27
Forgot to mention when the original idea was proposed by Wargaming PR staff

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I can see you put alot of work in your post, I did not read your wall of text i'm sorry for that.

Carriers are soooooooo bad for the game i really would hate to see more of them added and yes i have played alot of carriers.

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This round of clan battles is a prime example of how bad cv's are most teams running 6 cruisers and 1 cv.

Until wg find a way to balance cv's for ships that need stealth to do anything adding more would be a mistake.

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