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Hi everyone, I actually play on the Asia server as LordTyphoon, this is my NA alt that I don't play anymore, but just wanted to pick everyone's brain here. 

After four years in this game, frustration is starting to set in. 

I started playing warships with a Storm League clan, and now I have spent a few years with Typhoon and Hurricane League clans. Originally, I thought that playing with better players will improve my skills, but this has not happened.

From all these years in the game, I have observed that clans have the following ways of selecting players:

- Statistics-based recruiting: Having good statistics from random battles. Generally, a solo win rate of 60%+ and a PR of 2300+ in all ship class is required for this to work. 

- Reputation-based recruiting: From being a well-known unicum and having played with clan leaders of other well-known clans, it is very easy to obtain offers from various recruiters

- Specialist-based recruiting: As the name suggests, being a top 1% player in a ship class. Generally requires a 65%+ solo win rate and a PR of 2500+ in that class. 

Since I have not been able to meet any of these requirements, I feel that I have been unofficially labelled as 'A Bravo Team Player', and therefore have been passed over during selection to play in Alpha teams in higher leagues.

It is now a vicious cycle as:

- My statistics are now too tedious to fix since I have over 13k random battles;

- My reputation is screwed as I am a well known 'Bravo team player'

- I feel my skills in each ship class has reached a peak, and my win rates are no longer getting higher

I have never been approached to join any top clan before, and have always had to go through lengthy recruitment processes to prove my (apparently insufficient) skills toget in. 

Has anyone else 'hit this wall' before, and does anyone have any advice?

I am really on the fence here and I am starting to think that it might be best to stop thinking about this, hang up the boots and not play any competitive anymore. 

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start your own clan .pick a few good players ..and teach them a lesson about kicking you to the curb...tom brady took this attitude now hes the GOAT ,,,no reason that i can see that you cant do the same ..its just a game dont loose sleep over it..

im not looking for or interested in clan battles at this time 

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Not sure what is not good enough to be honest.  Much like real life you need to get to know people and network, posts like this however really don't help your case.  Or you can start your own clan and lead from the front, whatever works for you.

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you are just with the wrong group of guys, if you feel like you are struggling you could try for the 07 clans on NA, when i first joined in oo7 i was about 1800 pr and ive grown 500 pr since and i am now unofficially the stalingod greatest stalin gamer on NA.

you just need to find a good bunch of guys that you enjoy playing with and you will find you will start improving as you feed off of them.

i am from new zealand and i can confirm playing on NA server is far better then playing on SEA.

the requirements are not nearly as high as you have suggested there but if you think you are competent enough to perform with us then have a chat with us on the o7 discord.

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49 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_BABY said:

you are just with the wrong group of guys, if you feel like you are struggling you could try for the 07 clans on NA, when i first joined in oo7 i was about 1800 pr and ive grown 500 pr since and i am now unofficially they stalingod greatest stalin gamer on NA.

you just need to find a good bunch of guys that you enjoy playing with and you will find you will start improving as you feed off of them.

i am from new zealand and i can confirm playing on NA server is far better then playing on SEA.

the requirements are not nearly as high as you have suggested there but if you think you are competent enough to perform with us then have a chat with us on the o7 discord.

But don't you guys already have an Alpha group?

Sounds like OP doesn't want to be in a Bravo group.

Not trying to be sarcastic just clarifying his issue per the OP.

Of course a far as I know you all switch out between both groups giving everybody a chance to share the glory.

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Quit Asia and just build up your NA reroll stats. :Smile-_tongue:

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It’s JMO but if you have to be in a top clan playing at the highest level then I’m Not surprised that you are missing out on the enjoyment of the game. Most people want to win but top tier players and clans are pretty low percentage of the overall base to achieve. Everyone plays for their own reasons but being driven by stats and what others think of you must get tiring. Mad respect to those top tier players, I don’t want to be one and don’t have the skills to be one even if I wanted to, but the game is still a blast for me. 

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Just now, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

But don't you guys already have an Alpha group?

Sounds like OP doesn't want to be in a Bravo group.

Not trying to be sarcastic just clarifying his issue per the OP.

Of course a far as I know you all switch out between both groups giving everybody a chance to share the glory.

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anybody that turns up gets to play except for KOTS we pick the best team we have available.

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34 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_BABY said:

anybody that turns up gets to play except for KOTS we pick the best team we have available.

Coolie...fair CB system & wise KOTS system...kudos.

Sounds like OP would fit nicely in your clan.

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2 hours ago, Trollphoon said:

Hi everyone, I actually play on the Asia server as LordTyphoon, this is my NA alt that I don't play anymore, but just wanted to pick everyone's brain here. 

After four years in this game, frustration is starting to set in. 

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I have been (and kind of still am) in your shoes dude.

My main account used to be in NA. I transferred it to EU (same name) when the opportunity arose in December because participating in CBs does not mean I have to completely reschedule my life or go days without any sleep there.

Now, my issue was that 1) I discovered stats (and consequently how bad I was) very late, with many many thousands of games already clocked in, and 2) I insisted on improving my solo rates because I believed stat-padding with a 2/3-man div wouldn't fool anybody. Standing at 17k+ with 55% WR, I can now tell you that although it is extremely easy to tell if someone is stat-padding with divs, no one actually gives a sh*t, as I've seen many people whose solo stats are all yellow and orange, but got themselves into a reputable purple clan by virtue of their overall purple stats that came as a result of never playing solo in the last 2-4 years. Consequently, although I lifted it up from 48%, I regret not stat-padding with divs when my game count was still at at the 10k mark.

But back to the point; I have found that the "we look at recent stats" line some top clans use to encourage applications is mostly a lie. Because despite recents stretching back a year being firmly in the purple, most top clans simply don't want someone with a 55% overall within their ranks. I've had to go through countless trial processes where I'd actually consistently outperform my triallers, only to be slapped in the face with the "the vote was a no" response. Upon inquiring about the reason for my rejection, the answer I got was almost universally the same; my overall stats.

Now, some people here are encouraging you to switch to NA. I'd honestly advise against it. The competitive scene in NA has all but disappeared. With only 3 or 4 clans hoarding an overwhelming percentage of the present talent, it is hard to get into a top clan and consistently get playtime when there are 40 other dudes who have established themselves as regulars.

My honest advice for you would be to switch to EU, if the CB times work for you. For every purple clan in NA, there are 3 others in EU and 5 others that could get there with some guidance. The distribution of talent is more or less homogeneous and hasn't consolidated to a level where it is impossible for a new clan to make a name for itself, or for that matter, impossible to get into a top clan where you can get consistent playtime.

I actually know this from experience. When I transferred to EU, my first proper clan was a newly formed one with barely 15 people in it. If you looked at our stats, mine was pretty easy to spot being the only green one in a sea of light and dark purple. But they accepted me based on my recents. I got to create a set of strats for that clan (with the help of @piecesofpizza) and be the main caller and watch the clan go from struggling to stay in Storm to #4 in EU in just two weeks. My current clan, despite having been formed in the last season, has been sitting at #5 in EU pretty much since the season started. We don't have a "bravo" team. We have two teams, playing both ratings and competing with each other in the rankings.

The point is, do not be discouraged. If I could find a place where I'm comfortable being in, with people objectively better than me that I can learn from and keep improving, where my competitive itches are getting scratched, so can you find that place. You just need a change of scenery. And if that change requires you to change your name and start a new account, so be it. Who [edited]  cares about a reroll when you know you have the chops to make it. Who [edited]  cares about a reroll, period.

I honestly do not get why people grief rerollers to begin with, but that's a topic for another day.

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2 hours ago, ITZ_ACE_BABY said:

you are just with the wrong group of guys, if you feel like you are struggling you could try for the 07 clans on NA, when i first joined in oo7 i was about 1800 pr and ive grown 500 pr since and i am now unofficially the stalingod greatest stalin gamer on NA.

you just need to find a good bunch of guys that you enjoy playing with and you will find you will start improving as you feed off of them.

i am from new zealand and i can confirm playing on NA server is far better then playing on SEA.

the requirements are not nearly as high as you have suggested there but if you think you are competent enough to perform with us then have a chat with us on the o7 discord.

indeed. We have it pretty good here. Ping to the NA server is mint. 

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3 hours ago, Trollphoon said:

Hi everyone, I actually play on the Asia server as LordTyphoon, this is my NA alt that I don't play anymore, but just wanted to pick everyone's brain here. 

After four years in this game, frustration is starting to set in. 

I started playing warships with a Storm League clan, and now I have spent a few years with Typhoon and Hurricane League clans. Originally, I thought that playing with better players will improve my skills, but this has not happened.

From all these years in the game, I have observed that clans have the following ways of selecting players:

- Statistics-based recruiting: Having good statistics from random battles. Generally, a solo win rate of 60%+ and a PR of 2300+ in all ship class is required for this to work. 

- Reputation-based recruiting: From being a well-known unicum and having played with clan leaders of other well-known clans, it is very easy to obtain offers from various recruiters

- Specialist-based recruiting: As the name suggests, being a top 1% player in a ship class. Generally requires a 65%+ solo win rate and a PR of 2500+ in that class. 

Since I have not been able to meet any of these requirements, I feel that I have been unofficially labelled as 'A Bravo Team Player', and therefore have been passed over during selection to play in Alpha teams in higher leagues.

It is now a vicious cycle as:

- My statistics are now too tedious to fix since I have over 13k random battles;

- My reputation is screwed as I am a well known 'Bravo team player'

- I feel my skills in each ship class has reached a peak, and my win rates are no longer getting higher

I have never been approached to join any top clan before, and have always had to go through lengthy recruitment processes to prove my (apparently insufficient) skills toget in. 

Has anyone else 'hit this wall' before, and does anyone have any advice?

I am really on the fence here and I am starting to think that it might be best to stop thinking about this, hang up the boots and not play any competitive anymore. 

Well going through what you have written there is only so much that can be done however we can break it down in to easy to do tasks and that just makes everything a lot easier. 

 

 

1. If you believe your stats are bad then do not focus on them, make them private and put them at the back of your mind. When you improve your skill, your stats will improve over time too.

2. Focus on 1 or 2 ships at a time that you want to up your skill in, check out strategy guides for those ships. Hone your skill in those ships. It them becomes a building block to become good in other ships. 

3. Once you have picked a few ships you wish to get better in ask for help on the forum, talk strategies, provide previous games replays for constructive purposes (very talented people here that will help you out) 

4. Enjoy the prospect of learning something new and never think of it as a chore or work or waste of time etc.... because that can stifle the productivity of your learning. 

5. Know your maps, know where you should be in the battle based on your ship class

6. Know what your role is in the battle, watch the minimap like a hawk, learn to read it like a compass on where your ship needs to go based on where your allies are moving.

7. [What others do] create a new account and spend the time making the stats you want to see on that account. 

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Reroll, eggroll, Tootsie roll, Cinnamon roll, pine nut roll, cheese roll, dinner roll, jelly roll, and any other roll that comes along with moving around and....( Cough, cough, starting over), it's just starting over.

If you had the opportunity to start over, then the real question is can you play enough on a new account to be actively recruited by a clan. Then maintain your..ahem stat supremacy in solo, divo, and clanno battles, well that is the real burning question isn't it?

Do you think if a clan can overlook your previous stats and set you up on a probation period to see if you make the cut?

If a clan does, then good. But all competitive clans will have standards. The throbbing forehead and fivehead clans will throw you out on a tenth of a percentage point though.

I myself, never got into any clan that was a serious contender for anything. I left eventually.

My take on this is if you feel that being among the best in this game will bring you notoriety and I guess money, then you are going to have to get ruthless.

If it's about a digital patch, a plastic trophy, that one night stand, and that crazy tattoo you wish you didn't get, then maybe you need to think about what does the game do for you.

I am seldom recruited. And lately, to be honest I have turned invites down.

Why? Well, as I look back and see what my clan was all about, it seemed that over time, that I was just the guy that brought in the oil.

I didn't mind, I wanted to build a nice base. And my modest contribution did help. But members were few, I could only count on one hand who was on.

There are other issues, but I don't care to dwell on that.

At this point in the game, I play my way and I only serve myself. I am free for the first time in years and it feels great.

I am a Capricorn, so that might have a hand in my decision. I don't think I even consider my stats as even close to remarkable. Mediocre and maybe meh at best. I am not worried about it. And that is because I never started over. I just keep playing.

Wins, losses, the PR whatever, is just numbers that at any point can be manipulated by WG and on some fine day, even the purple players might find themselves unable to win a match due to server saturation of players.

Saturation is the idea that you get a new influx of players that hit high tiers and they casually just go out there and create chaos instead of winning most of the time. The numbers they influence can be as such that the handful of purples would likely never get a good MM spawn and are forced to carry a match and inevitably lose to a less talented team by just sheer numbers.

When that happens, you get players wanting to move or they stop playing to preserve what they got. A statistical number that WG can at their own discretion can reset the stats or even wipe them.

Tabula rasa.

I don't have any good advice on how to improve your game as you are already trying. But I don't think a clan that pressures you would be a way to go.

You have to love the game. Because if you hate it, then you need to stop.

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Trollphoon said:

Hi everyone, I actually play on the Asia server as LordTyphoon, this is my NA alt that I don't play anymore, but just wanted to pick everyone's brain here. 

After four years in this game, frustration is starting to set in. 

I started playing warships with a Storm League clan, and now I have spent a few years with Typhoon and Hurricane League clans. Originally, I thought that playing with better players will improve my skills, but this has not happened.

From all these years in the game, I have observed that clans have the following ways of selecting players:

- Statistics-based recruiting: Having good statistics from random battles. Generally, a solo win rate of 60%+ and a PR of 2300+ in all ship class is required for this to work. 

- Reputation-based recruiting: From being a well-known unicum and having played with clan leaders of other well-known clans, it is very easy to obtain offers from various recruiters

- Specialist-based recruiting: As the name suggests, being a top 1% player in a ship class. Generally requires a 65%+ solo win rate and a PR of 2500+ in that class. 

Since I have not been able to meet any of these requirements, I feel that I have been unofficially labelled as 'A Bravo Team Player', and therefore have been passed over during selection to play in Alpha teams in higher leagues.

It is now a vicious cycle as:

- My statistics are now too tedious to fix since I have over 13k random battles;

- My reputation is screwed as I am a well known 'Bravo team player'

- I feel my skills in each ship class has reached a peak, and my win rates are no longer getting higher

I have never been approached to join any top clan before, and have always had to go through lengthy recruitment processes to prove my (apparently insufficient) skills toget in. 

Has anyone else 'hit this wall' before, and does anyone have any advice?

I am really on the fence here and I am starting to think that it might be best to stop thinking about this, hang up the boots and not play any competitive anymore. 

You are welcome to join us.  We're on the NA server. We're not in a higher league but we play clan battle and like to have fun, it is just a game after all.

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