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So the A. Nevksky got a sigma buff because Russian bias of course.   The one thing that Flamu said about the Nevsky that he didn't like was the "decent" dispersion even though it was already good smh.  Well, they made it better.  From 2.0 to 2.02.   Is that small of a change significant? 

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There is some math game we are failing to see. Its like how the Colbert vs Smolensk is IFHE under the new IFHE formula. The caliber of gun with the Colbert is just 1mm short of crossing the 27mm threshold. While just coincidentally the Smolensk will pen exactly 27mm

I feel there is some sneaky long game interaction/change that will be made later that will reveal why that odd number sigma buff.

 

Maybe it's just my tinfoil Ushanka.

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11 minutes ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

There is some math game we are failing to see. Its like how the Colbert vs Smolensk is IFHE under the new IFHE formula. The caliber of gun with the Colbert is just 1mm short of crossing the 27mm threshold. While just coincidentally the Smolensk will pen exactly 27mm

I feel there is some sneaky long game interaction/change that will be made later that will reveal why that odd number sigma buff.

 

Maybe it's just my tinfoil Ushanka.

Smolensk has 130mm guns, Colbert has 127mm so that's where that extra 1mm pen comes from

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29 minutes ago, kishan99 said:

So the A. Nevksky got a sigma buff because Russian bias of course.  

No...it got a sigma buff because there was no reason for it to have worse sigma than every other Tier 10 cruiser.

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7 minutes ago, yashma said:

No...it got a sigma buff because there was no reason for it to have worse sigma than every other Tier 10 cruiser.

Because all tier 10 cruisers need to be the same? All all tier 10 BBs the same? All tier 10 DDs? I must admit your logic with that statement falls a tad short of credible.

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3 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Because all tier 10 cruisers need to be the same? All all tier 10 BBs the same? All tier 10 DDs? I must admit your logic with that statement falls a tad short of credible.

So far every Tier 10 tech tree cruiser has 2.05 sigma....and the Nevsky's performance does not warrant it having worse.  

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40 minutes ago, kishan99 said:

So the A. Nevksky got a sigma buff because Russian bias of course.   The one thing that Flamu said about the Nevsky that he didn't like was the "decent" dispersion even though it was already good smh.  Well, they made it better.  From 2.0 to 2.02.   Is that small of a change significant? 

it really wasn't a buff. Every T9 and T10 cruiser (except Stalingrad, Agir, and Puerto Rico) has a 2.05 sigma. It was just aligning it with the normal sigma for high tier cruisers. Plus, .05 sigma is seldom noticed, especially when your guns reload every 4.8secs.

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20 minutes ago, Vader_Sama said:

Smolensk has 130mm guns, Colbert has 127mm so that's where that extra 1mm pen comes from

Yes thats obvious but its how they redid IFHE. what a coincidence they chose 25% at certain tiers. Just so happens the Russian ship hits that magic number. 

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10 minutes ago, yashma said:

So far every Tier 10 tech tree cruiser has 2.05 sigma....and the Nevsky's performance does not warrant it having worse.  

Every cruiser at tier 10, regardless of gun caliber, has 2.05 sigma? IF that is true (and I honestly don't know if it is or if it isn't), then why didn't Nevsky's sigma get set at 2.05 from the beginning and why are all those sigma's the same when the guns are very different? Nevsky's sigma is the same as Moskva's sigma which is the same as Des Moines' sigma which is the same as Smolensk's sigma which is the same as Puerto Rico's sigma? Colbert's sigma is the same as Goliath's sigma which is the same as Venezia's and also the same sigma as Worcester's. All those different ships and all those different guns have the same sigma? Because they certainly all don't have the same dispersion. So what's up?

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Wait, really?  All tier X tech tree cruisers have the same sigma?  I did not know that.   Curious why they made Nev have 2.00 from the start

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8 minutes ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

Yes thats obvious but its how they redid IFHE. what a coincidence they chose 25% at certain tiers. Just so happens the Russian ship hits that magic number. 

Just like Yamato's 460mm vs every other 18 in guns

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1 minute ago, Vader_Sama said:

Just like Yamato's 460mm vs every other 18 in guns

Which 18 inch guns would those be?

 

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17 minutes ago, tfcas119 said:

has a 2.05 sigma. It was just aligning it with the normal sigma for high tier cruisers. Plus, .05 sigma is seldom noticed, especially when your guns reload every 4.8secs.

 

18 minutes ago, yashma said:

So far every Tier 10 tech tree cruiser has 2.05 sigma....and the Nevsky's performance does not warrant it having worse.

oh wait wait.  They didn't make it 2.05, they made it to 2.02.  So it is still under the "normal" amount.   Unless Flamu read it wrong and it is actually 2.05

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Yeah Nevsky got a very very small sigma buff...

 

So what ? It's not like you'll notice a major difference.

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32 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Which 18 inch guns would those be?

 

Georgia, Conqueror, Thunderer, AFAIK.

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28 minutes ago, Skpstr said:

Georgia, Conqueror, Thunderer, AFAIK.

Are any of those 460s? Or are they just sort of 18 inchers?

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1 hour ago, Umikami said:

Every cruiser at tier 10, regardless of gun caliber, has 2.05 sigma? IF that is true (and I honestly don't know if it is or if it isn't), then why didn't Nevsky's sigma get set at 2.05 from the beginning and why are all those sigma's the same when the guns are very different? Nevsky's sigma is the same as Moskva's sigma which is the same as Des Moines' sigma which is the same as Smolensk's sigma which is the same as Puerto Rico's sigma? Colbert's sigma is the same as Goliath's sigma which is the same as Venezia's and also the same sigma as Worcester's. All those different ships and all those different guns have the same sigma? Because they certainly all don't have the same dispersion. So what's up?

Only one of those ships listed actually has a different sigma- Puerto Rico. All the rest have 2.05. Indeed 2.05 sigma is universal for all cruisers except large cruisers(cruisers having 283/305mm guns). Dispersion is also the same for all cruisers except large cruisers and ultralight cruisers at higher tiers(cruisers with less than 152mm guns). I presume Nevsky's was not 2.05 due to data entry error, probably copying her from standard cruisers.

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2 minutes ago, Aetreus said:

Only one of those ships listed actually has a different sigma- Puerto Rico. All the rest have 2.05. Indeed 2.05 sigma is universal for all cruisers except large cruisers(cruisers having 283/305mm guns). Dispersion is also the same for all cruisers except large cruisers and ultralight cruisers at higher tiers(cruisers with less than 152mm guns). I presume Nevsky's was not 2.05 due to data entry error, probably copying her from standard cruisers.

Interesting. Does Smolensk also sport 2.05 sigma, or is hers different because of the 130 mm guns?

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19 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Are any of those 460s? Or are they just sort of 18 inchers?

No, Yamato/Musashi are the only ships with 460mm guns, but 460mm = 18.1 inches. Georgia, Ohio, Kremlin, Thunderer (Conq 457's got removed when Thunderer was introduced) all have 457mm guns, and 457 = 18 inches. So yes, they have 18 inch guns, but WG made their forumla so that only 460's, aka 18.1 inch guns would overmatch 32mm. 

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3 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Interesting. Does Smolensk also sport 2.05 sigma, or is hers different because of the 130 mm guns?

Smolensk has 2.00 sigma according to WoWs Fit.

https://wowsft.com/ship?index=PRSC610&modules=11111&upgrades=000000&commander=PCW001&consumables=1111

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1 hour ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

Yes thats obvious but its how they redid IFHE. what a coincidence they chose 25% at certain tiers. Just so happens the Russian ship hits that magic number. 

Actually that's probably an oversite. The recent IFHE changes caused them to address German 128s which previously were 1mm short of 32mm as well and then they bumped it. As soon as they notice they'll fix it im sure. Colbert isn't a very common ship. Probably the rarest of any commonly available.

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1 hour ago, kishan99 said:

 

oh wait wait.  They didn't make it 2.05, they made it to 2.02.  So it is still under the "normal" amount.   Unless Flamu read it wrong and it is actually 2.05

from the dev blog we are talking about:

Soviet cruiser Alexander Nevskiy, Tier X:

  • Sigma parameter increased from 2.0 to 2.05.

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1 hour ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

Yes thats obvious but its how they redid IFHE. what a coincidence they chose 25% at certain tiers. Just so happens the Russian ship hits that magic number. 

25% also means that the Mogami is the only light cruiser that penetrates 38 mm US battleships with IFHE (other than Germans obviously, but including Russian 180 mm and Bayard which could before the patch). Coincidence indeed.

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30 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Are any of those 460s? Or are they just sort of 18 inchers?

457 = 18 inches.  460 = 18.1 inches.  Those 3mm make the difference between overmatching and not overmatching 32mm plating.  It is obvious that the 14.3 ratio was selected to explicitly create that difference.

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1 hour ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

Yes thats obvious but its how they redid IFHE. what a coincidence they chose 25% at certain tiers. Just so happens the Russian ship hits that magic number. 

They were actually very specific about why they chose 25% instead of 30%....they wanted to prevent most CLs from being able to pen the deck armor of USN BBs with IFHE.  Meanwhile because of this the Soviet 180s lost the ability to pen 38mm of deck armor that they could before the rework.  This is hardly Russian bias.   

 

1 hour ago, Umikami said:

Every cruiser at tier 10, regardless of gun caliber, has 2.05 sigma? IF that is true (and I honestly don't know if it is or if it isn't), then why didn't Nevsky's sigma get set at 2.05 from the beginning and why are all those sigma's the same when the guns are very different?

Every tier 9 and 10 tech tree cruiser gets 2.05 sigma, but there are a few exceptions amongst premiums.  The Smolensk and Colbert both get 2.0, while the Puerto Rico gets 2.25 and the Stalingrad gets 2.65.  My guess is they were just being cautions with the Nevsky and decided to normalize it after seeing how it performed.  

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