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I've been debating on buying the Graf, with the release of the German CV's...it makes me want it slightly more to train a captain.

Will a Graf CO carry on over the line? 

What's good about the Graf anyway?

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Unless sweeping changes are made to German CVs you will have buyers remorse. Low damage output and fragile planes with small hangar space. The AP bombs were nerfed to oblivion and are the poorest of any CV if I am not mistaken.

 

Edit: forgot you can yolo into stuff with secondaries.

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Just now, Dr_Venture said:

I've been debating on buying the Graf, with the release of the German CV's...it makes me want it slightly more to train a captain.

Will a Graf CO carry on over the line? 

What's good about the Graf anyway?

Its is very very fun.  The planes are extremely fast.  You can hit over 20 torps in game if your aim is good.  The AP bombs were very well, you inly get 2 but they own nicely.

I dont know about the rocket planes because I have never used them.

Its worth the pick up.

Don't go full sec its the planes that matter the sec are for lol.

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It is a Meme Ship, her secondaries are likely more powerful than Bismarck's.  Her bombers are decent as is her torp planes.  But they are like other premiums save Saipan and Indomitable, basically a T7 craft on a T8 carrier.  Saipan and Indomitable (Sky Conq) are more like T9 on a T8. 

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Just now, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

Unless sweeping changes are made to German CVs you will have buyers remorse. Low damage output and fragile planes with small hangar space. The AP bombs were nerfed to oblivion and are the poorest of any CV if I am not mistaken.

The biggest issue with the new German cv is the health pool t8 and above. The new Russian crusier with atupid aa value and every ship gets a fighter.

Also DD will be a big problem. They will have no effective was of dealibg with them.

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It’s my least favourite of the tier 8 premiums CVs. It has fast planes and that’s about it. The rockets and torp bombers are both decent. 

The dive bombers have a unique drop pattern that is pretty easy to use. However, the bombs are wonky. I still have not figured out how to get consistent citadels with the DBs. There is a lot of RNG in WoWS and these DBs are the definition of RNG. Very very frustrating to use. The bombs seem to have a habit of going out to the edges of the reticle and either overpenning or flat out missing. But every once in a while you’ll get the nice close cluster you’re looking for.

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The GZ is a good CV but hard to play well. Some players like Toptier rock in it and score big damage while others struggle to do 20k. 

 

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6 minutes ago, USMC2145 said:

The GZ is a good CV but hard to play well. Some players like Toptier rock in it and score big damage while other struggle to do 20k. 

 

exception to the rule right here. Somewhere somebody has a good game with any ship. 

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you will love it or hate it, and be offered plenty of terrible advice on how to play it.

Graf is adaptable, but there are better CVs for an inexperienced CV player, to explore 1st.

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It's a meme ship, the secondaries are best in the game. The planes not so much. The best part is when enemy DDs try and chase you, I have yet to see a DD survive a run on a GZ. I don't think people play it for the CV, they play it for the 2 CLs. It was the CV of choice for clan brawl saturday.

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21 minutes ago, LoveBote said:

you will love it or hate it, and be offered plenty of terrible advice on how to play it.

Graf is adaptable, but there are better CVs for an inexperienced CV player, to explore 1st.

I've been monkeying with the Lexington to learn how to CV. 

Faster planes seem to appeal to me much more. I can land torps no problem as well. 

Plus I'm outta lines to grind....

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Can you build for secondaries + keep it viable as a decent CV? What are the builds for it?

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16 minutes ago, Dr_Venture said:

I've been monkeying with the Lexington to learn how to CV. 

Faster planes seem to appeal to me much more. I can land torps no problem as well. 

Plus I'm outta lines to grind....

For torp play you might consider the Kaga.  The planes are flying gas tanks but you have tons of them.  Very easy to play. 

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1 hour ago, Dr_Venture said:

I've been debating on buying the Graf, with the release of the German CV's...it makes me want it slightly more to train a captain.

Will a Graf CO carry on over the line? 

What's good about the Graf anyway?

What German CV's??

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I've found two uses for it. (Spec'd as a full secondary build)

Co-op to get secondary hits for Directives.  Nothing really better.  As a bonus you can use the Torp bombers to satisfy torp hit directives.

T8 Clan Brawl.  Late game you can close and get secondary kills on weakened ships.  The most hilarious is a 1v1 against another CV.

Because I'm not a CV driver I would not take this into Random battle.

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1 hour ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

exception to the rule right here. Somewhere somebody has a good game with any ship. 

The GZ is one of Toptier's admittedly favorite CV's because of the speed of the planes.  He has great games in it repeatedly.   To be fair, he is pretty good in all of the CV's and has good games in all of them.

I have every cv available and well as the enterprise.  The Gz is not my favorite by a long stretch.  I would not say it is bad, I just learned how to play mostly in my Saipan (both rts and now) and I find the play style very different for the Gz very different from what I am used to.

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1 hour ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

exception to the rule right here. Somewhere somebody has a good game with any ship. 

Dude check out his vids and stats he always has good games in the GZ. 

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IMHO GZ is worth, but you have to “get to know it” before being somewhat consistent on it. I’m still knowing it but I would say your standard weapons are rockets and torpedos, with AP bombers to be used against BBs or large cruisers at the right angle (you want the ships to be as big or bigger than the reticule, otherwise the bombs are too unreliable).

Secondaries are fun.

1 hour ago, Khafni said:

What German CV's??

German CV line was announced a few days ago.

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2 hours ago, Dr_Venture said:

I've been debating on buying the Graf, with the release of the German CV's...it makes me want it slightly more to train a captain.

Will a Graf CO carry on over the line? 

What's good about the Graf anyway?

I like it but that is me. Takes some work to be good with it though. The Kaga is easy mode with planes forever and Saipan is my fav. Have not really played the Brit one much so can't say much. 

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It's a decidedly mediocre CV.  Cool in Co-op because of the Meme Secondaries but the planes themselves are pretty awful as well as fragile a.f.

 

In Randoms?  Well, there's plenty of things I wouldn't want my CV near in High Tier.  Graf Zeppelin may have fantastic CV secondaries but she's not an Armored CV, either.

 

I got her for collecting purposes, but even if I restrict to tech tree Tier VIII CVs, I'd rather use Lexington than Graf Z.

 

Graf Z in the Post-CV Rebork WoWS is nowhere near the monster she was in the RTS CV days.  She was broken a.f. back then, but today, she's a pale shadow of what she once was.

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1 hour ago, USMC2145 said:

Dude check out his vids and stats he always has good games in the GZ. 

His point still stands. One person is having great games with Grafy Zeppy. I'm happy for him. However, you can't say the same for a lot of other Graffy Zeppy players.

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1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

It's a decidedly mediocre CV.  Cool in Co-op because of the Meme Secondaries but the planes themselves are pretty awful as well as fragile a.f.

 

In Randoms?  Well, there's plenty of things I wouldn't want my CV near in High Tier.  Graf Zeppelin may have fantastic CV secondaries but she's not an Armored CV, either.

 

I got her for collecting purposes, but even if I restrict to tech tree Tier VIII CVs, I'd rather use Lexington than Graf Z.

 

Graf Z in the Post-CV Rebork WoWS is nowhere near the monster she was in the RTS CV days.  She was broken a.f. back then, but today, she's a pale shadow of what she once was.

Even for Coop, I wouldn't say GZ is a good ship.

The Coop bots may be dumb and predictable, but they sure do know how to travel in pack(s), stacking their AA auras as they charge the hooman'z team. This is pretty much a death nail for GZ, since her planes are simply too fragile, too few in numbers, and too slow in regeneration to stand against such things.

Meme Secondaries are nice... but if an aircraft carrier can't rely on her planes to do her stuffs, what's the point? Besides, there're always the German BB's if I really want roll with some rest kicking Secondaries.

GZ's current state is just sad... lol.

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21 minutes ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Even for Coop, I wouldn't say GZ is a good ship.

The Coop bots may be dumb and predictable, but they sure do know how to travel in pack(s), stacking their AA auras as they charge the hooman'z team. This is pretty much a death nail for GZ, since her planes are simply too fragile, too few in numbers, and too slow in regeneration to stand against such things.

Meme Secondaries are nice... but if an aircraft carrier can't rely on her planes to do her stuffs, what's the point? Besides, there're always the German BB's if I really want roll with some rest kicking Secondaries.

GZ's current state is just sad... lol.

She is actually probably the best CV for coop as long as you max your secondary range and charge so you can  use them. Bots usually aim for the lowest HP ships so cruisers or DDs end up tanking for you while your secondaries and planes eat the enemy. 

 

But yeah, for randoms she is a fun ship but she is probably the least good T8 CV. If they ever fix her AP DBs so they aren't a dice roll then she might be pretty good though.

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