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Premium Ship Review #142 - Mainz

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Thank you LWM, love your reviews :)

And whilst I didnt know dseehafer well, I always enjoyed his contributions on the forums - particularly his endless gripes about the Tirpitz model in-game!  

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7 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

What's the difference between CORVID-19 and Romeo and Juliet?

Corvids kill like this:

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COVID by making you sick. Smol difference. :D

 

Even then:

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So needless to say, if you have the Bayard skip this ship.

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Thanks for the great review and tip of the hat to dseehafer. He would have really liked this one. 

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2 hours ago, LittleWhiteMouse said:

Firepower

Main Battery:  Twelve 150mm L/60 guns in 4x3 turrets in an A-B-X-Y superfiring configuration.
Secondary Battery:  Twelve 105mm L/65 guns in 6x2 turrets with three turrets per side.
Torpedoes:  4x3 launchers with two per side straddling the fore and aft superstructures.

The Wiki has it listed with 4x4 torpedoes. 

Test to live change?  

 

 

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Great review as always, LWM! 

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I like it overall but it'd have been really nice if it had the Admiral Hipper-class protection, which Mainz draws so much inspiration from.  It basically is Hipper with 150mm guns.  It helps the class be aggressive in certain situations.

 

FYI, the mid tier tech tree German CLs with these 150mm guns also got the high HE Pen.  Nurnberg in Tier VI for example, has the exact same 38mm HE Pen of Tier VIII Premium Mainz.  Meanwhile, Tier VII Helena, Boise / NdJ, and all the other normal HE-capable, mid tier CLs can't even HE Pen 32mm even with IFHE, and they still gut their Fire Chance.  The German CLs with their free HE Pen Buff can take DE and play like how CLs used to be before the IFHE / Armor changes.

16 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

The Wiki has it listed with 4x4 torpedoes. 

Test to live change?  

It's 4x4.

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Doesn't reload as fast as Prinz Eugen, but 8 fish from one side is pretty sweet in the right situation.

 

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Hell, Konigsberg, the tier V, has 38mm base HE pen on its 150mm...  at tier V that's almost :Smile_trollface:  territory.  

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I personally think that Mainz would better benefit from a heal instead of a Fighter module.

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6 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

Hell, Konigsberg, the tier V, has 38mm base HE pen on its 150mm...  at tier V that's almost :Smile_trollface:  territory.  

I always liked my German Cruisers, especially the High Tier CAs.  But those mid tier German CLs with 38mm base HE Pen is a GODLY luxury that even Helena in Tier VII wishes she had.

Nurnberg in Tier VI can HE Pen not only 37mm deck armor North Carolina, but the 38mm deck armor of all other High Tier USN BBs should she somehow meet them.

 

Meanwhile, Helena in Tier VII can only get 31mm HE Pen with IFHE, which also castrates her fire chances.

Cleveland and the rest of the High Tier USN CLs can't even get the 38mm with IFHE, they're capped at 37mm even with the skill.

 

German Cruiser Line Split when?

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1 minute ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

I always liked my German Cruisers, especially the High Tier CAs.  But those mid tier German CLs with 38mm base HE Pen is a GODLY luxury that even Helena in Tier VII wishes she had.

Nurnberg in Tier VI can HE Pen not only 37mm deck armor North Carolina, but the 38mm deck armor of all other High Tier USN BBs should she somehow meet them.

 

Meanwhile, Helena in Tier VII can only get 31mm HE Pen with IFHE, which also castrates her fire chances.

Cleveland and the rest of the High Tier USN CLs can't even get the 38mm with IFHE, they're capped at 37mm even with the skill.

 

German Cruiser Line Split when?

:Smile_teethhappy:

 

The German cruiser line is still one of my favorites.  

So much so that I actually dread a line split because of what WG might do to the ships.  

 

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24 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

The Wiki has it listed with 4x4 torpedoes. 

Test to live change? 

Nope, just C&P artifact.  Thanks for catching it

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nice review, have to confirm, very nice bote, effective and easy on the eye. Bought her yesterday, had a day of non stop fun : excellent AA (I mean combined with shiny bote syndrome and all CVs trying to sink me). Gun dpm, shell trajectory, dispersion, range, everything hits a sweet spot. 

But, like all light cruisers, positioning mistakes are very costly, and quickly get you sunk.

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2 hours ago, LittleWhiteMouse said:

This review is dedicated to his memory.

You're a class act Lady!

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I miss dseehafer too, I'm sure he would have reviewed the Mainz model with meticulous insight.

 

Interesting review, for all that there was a lot of wailing during test looks like she's ended up pretty solid.

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I'm a bit disappointed by the armor and agility both being... uninspiring. 

If it had Hipper/PE armor, or light-cruiser-like agility, that would be one thing... but the lowered armor combined with the heavy cruiser agility seems sad.  

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6 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

I'm a bit disappointed by the armor and agility both being... uninspiring. 

It's a necessary trade off for how strong the guns are. 

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5 minutes ago, yashma said:

It's a necessary trade off for how strong the guns are. 

Makes it sound like too many of the Russian cruisers feel -- all gun, nothing else, classic glass cannon.  

 

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4 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

Makes it sound like too many of the Russian cruisers feel -- all gun, nothing else, classic glass cannon.  

 

I wouldn't mind a little better rudder shift (I loved double rudder Mogami 155)....but as someone who loved the Shchors, the Mainz is right up my ally and very much welcome post IFHE rework.

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Great review! :Smile_honoring:

But the discussion of the differences in armor between the CL and CA now in place created a thought (a rare occurrence for me sometimes worthy of celebration).:cap_horn:

Does the armor values change on the Mogami depending on which guns it has?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I know it's an ignorant one, as I am a DD person who only has worked up to the Furutaka. :Smile_facepalm:

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