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Kremlin best DD hunter?

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Dont worry. WG is testing a BB with SAP AND Smoke. Soon BBs, Cruisers, and CVs will all hard counter the lowest-performing ship type.. DDs.

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If a BB is nailing your DD at 17km, a couple things.

1.  You were spotted, your Priority Target counter should have given that away.

2.  You were sailing straight and at a constant speed to let a long range BB salvo connect on you.

 

This gif used to insult BB players for sailing "straight and dumb" and eating torpedo attacks also applies to eating long range gunfire.

Torpedo dispersion - General Game Discussion - World of Warships ...

Those shells are in the air a very, very long time.  And if you are sailing straight and stupid, you deserve what you get.

I have deleted DDs with long range Montana salvos in the past.  Realistically I should have no chance.  Most of the time the DD player realizes he's being targeted and starts maneuvering, which throws my gamble completely off.  But sometimes, the DD player is too stupid and just keeps sailing straight on at a steady speed, making it more feasible to hit him at range.

 

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14 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

If a BB is nailing your DD at 17km, a couple things.

1.  You were spotted, your Priority Target counter should have given that away.

2.  You were sailing straight and at a constant speed to let a long range BB salvo connect on you.

 

This gif used to insult BB players for sailing "straight and dumb" and eating torpedo attacks also applies to eating long range gunfire.

Torpedo dispersion - General Game Discussion - World of Warships ...

Those shells are in the air a very, very long time.  And if you are sailing straight and stupid, you deserve what you get.

I have deleted DDs with long range Montana salvos in the past.  Realistically I should have no chance.  Most of the time the DD player realizes he's being targeted and starts maneuvering, which throws my gamble completely off.  But sometimes, the DD player is too stupid and just keeps sailing straight on at a steady speed, making it more feasible to hit him at range.

 

 

I get you are trying to be cheeky but it doesn't really address why its specifically the Kremlin that has no problems taking out DDs from range. Other BBs cant like the Kremlin does.

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I had the Kremlin. I sold it. Its dispersion is terrible and unpredictable even at short range where it's supposed to be good. I can see a Yamato or Montana blapping a DD from range but not the Kremlin. Everyone is so afraid of the Kremlin. If you're afraid of it then you probably haven't actually used it. It's not all it's cracked up to be. Lousy accuracy, limited DCs and after that it burns to death. Plus don't ever give broadside or you're dead.

Back to your point- why Kremlins? 

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8 minutes ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

 

I get you are trying to be cheeky but it doesn't really address why its specifically the Kremlin that has no problems taking out DDs from range. Other BBs cant like the Kremlin does.

279 mm dispersion max with 9x 457's in 3 turrets that are pretty close on the ship with a 30 second 180 time (That's faster than a 406 armed GK by 10 seconds and even Republique's 431's by 6) which is lower if you take Expert Marksman, use the upgrade for another 15% off and/or to cancel out the drawback on main battery mod in slot 6 (that would get you a 30 second or less reload and still likely 2% faster rotation) - meaning you aren't turning the ship hull as much which seems to mess with aim a tad. 

Or in other words - The fact it's Russian. Even Thunderer has slower rotation, fewer guns in a less advantageous 4x2 setup which it's accuracy and reload don't quite fully make up for against a DD at range. And Thunderer doesn't have armour that matches or in places surpasses Yamato. 

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53 minutes ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

Other BBs cant like the Kremlin does.

But they can.  The Kreml has an easier time hitting shots given its muzzle velocity....and its poor long range dispersion means the shells cover a greater area increasing the odds of landing at least a few hits....but if you aim well something like a Montana or Yamato is more than capable of hitting DDs hard at range.

*It happened a while ago...but I once landed 7 shells on an angled Gorozovi 17km away with my Yamato in clan battles for instance.  

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4 hours ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

 

I get you are trying to be cheeky but it doesn't really address why its specifically the Kremlin that has no problems taking out DDs from range. Other BBs cant like the Kremlin does.

LOL 406mm x12 HE shells from Montana, or 419mm x12 HE shells from Conqueror, I've had my time smashing DDs that were sailing carelessly at range.

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5 hours ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

Why is it that its always the kremlin taking off half a DDs health from about 17km away when cruisers have a hard time hitting the DD?

It's not unique to the krem, all soviet BBs do it.

just remember, the soviet BBs have "bad" accuracy at range -- they say so often.  If they seem to be more accurate than other ships at similar range, it's just your imagination.  They're just brawlers and only potent up close.
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12 hours ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

 

I get you are trying to be cheeky but it doesn't really address why its specifically the Kremlin that has no problems taking out DDs from range. Other BBs cant like the Kremlin does.

His point is very Valid. ALL ships can do it if the DD doesn't dodge. Plain and simple no magic needed.

I play DDs all the time and know this. I also play BBs and CA and know this.  I hit DDs all the time.  Try it.

DON'T SAIL IN A STRAIGHT LINE

 

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If you let  Kremlin do that at range you had to be sitting still and let him fire 3 or 10 times.... Now had you said Yammy i would have said ok, but when you get detected start doing the Anti-Rickon.

DONT BE A RICKON

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11 hours ago, yashma said:

I once landed 7 shells on an angled Gorozovi 17km away

Reported.

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32 minutes ago, Col_Nasty said:

His point is very Valid. ALL ships can do it if the DD doesn't dodge. Plain and simple no magic needed.

I play DDs all the time and know this. I also play BBs and CA and know this.  I hit DDs all the time.  Try it.

DON'T SAIL IN A STRAIGHT LINE

 

One of a Destroyer's biggest assets for defense is agility that is instantly available.  If one isn't using it when their Priority Target counter isn't a zero, well, I don't know what to say :Smile_popcorn:

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Mid range shooting of DDs by BBs is quite productive.  Its not just the Kremlin either.  Most BBs have a high muzzle velocity, so the shots arrive quite quickly.  A well placed shot is hard to dodge, unlike with some of the floaty cruiser shots.

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