48 [ARRR] Shenennigans Members 129 posts 3,965 battles Report post #1 Posted March 26 Included the replay in case you wanted to see this nonsense for yourself. How does a 100mm HE Akizuki shell score a citadel on an angled Cleveland 10km away?? I watched the "How it Works" series and feel you have lied to me. What's the max pen for the buffed IJN HE penetration with the new IFHE? 32mm-ish yeah? Even if it hit the side plate of the turret, that's 38mm (and impossible since he was shooting at me, all turrets facing me). Outside of that, paths to citadel are: 51mm through turret top plate, 152mm through barbettes, 25+51mm through side plate and citadel deck, and that doesn't account for the angling. 20200326_154214_PJSD108-Akizuki_15_NE_north.wowsreplay 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
988 [POP] MidnightPhoenix07 Members 4,350 posts 11,237 battles Report post #2 Posted March 26 IJN 100mm ifhe now pens 37.5mm just like 152s (as it has always matched). Sounds to me like there’s an armor model bug or something getting knocked out of sync with the server. Or your gunners loaded AP and just told you it was still HE... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,252 [WOLF5] AJTP89 Supertester 4,103 posts 4,084 battles Report post #3 Posted March 26 4 minutes ago, MidnightPhoenix07 said: Or your gunners loaded AP and just told you it was still HE... I mean if they're the same guys that run the secondaries on most ships just about anything is possible OP, there are quite a few armor model bugs floating around, and every once in a while something bizarre like this happens. Just chalk it up to the statistics of every single possibility eventually happening when you look at the number of rounds fired every day in WOWS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,664 1SneakyDevil Members 3,754 posts 23,311 battles Report post #4 Posted March 26 Sounds like OP is calling shenanigans on the IFHE rework. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,986 neptunes_wrath Members 3,087 posts 564 battles Report post #5 Posted March 26 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,746 The_Hellequin Members 9,159 posts 11,174 battles Report post #6 Posted March 26 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
34 [MIA-I] Hammer_Senpai Members 118 posts 11 battles Report post #7 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Shenennigans said: Included the replay in case you wanted to see this nonsense for yourself. How does a 100mm HE Akizuki shell score a citadel on an angled Cleveland 10km away?? I watched the "How it Works" series and feel you have lied to me. What's the max pen for the buffed IJN HE penetration with the new IFHE? 32mm-ish yeah? Even if it hit the side plate of the turret, that's 38mm (and impossible since he was shooting at me, all turrets facing me). Outside of that, paths to citadel are: 51mm through turret top plate, 152mm through barbettes, 25+51mm through side plate and citadel deck, and that doesn't account for the angling. 20200326_154214_PJSD108-Akizuki_15_NE_north.wowsreplay This is not a first. I have seen these kinds of things happen many times(including myself). They are bugs in the armor model. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,889 [SYN] MrDeaf Members 15,860 posts 12,803 battles Report post #8 Posted March 26 It's probably an armor bug that only manifests itself when Cleveland is in a hard turn and listing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,121 [CVA16] Sabot_100 Members 5,384 posts 16,178 battles Report post #9 Posted March 26 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Hammer_Senpai said: This is not a first. I have seen these kinds of things happen many times(including myself). They are bugs in the armor model. Could it be model seams? An unintended gap between 2 plates that allows the shell (which is probably represented by a single point, not something 100mm in diameter) to pass thru? Same as when I have seen 2 allied ships get locked together because one ship is lodged between 2 such modules and can only be extracted a specific angle. Actually may (unintentionally) reflect reality. A turret may have openings for gunsights, etc. or even the area around the barrels that allows them to elevate. Unlike tanks, these rarely have any piece of movable armor that keeps the gaps (somewhat) covered. Edited March 26 by Sabot_100 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
34 [MIA-I] Hammer_Senpai Members 118 posts 11 battles Report post #10 Posted March 26 1 minute ago, Sabot_100 said: Could it be model seams? An unintended gap between 2 plates that allows the shell (which is probably represented by a single point, not something 100mm in diameter) to pass thru? Same as when I have seen 2 allied ships get locked together because one ship is lodged between 2 such modules and can only be extracted a specific angle. Could be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,986 neptunes_wrath Members 3,087 posts 564 battles Report post #11 Posted March 26 26 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said: Could it be model seams? An unintended gap between 2 plates that allows the shell (which is probably represented by a single point, not something 100mm in diameter) to pass thru? Same as when I have seen 2 allied ships get locked together because one ship is lodged between 2 such modules and can only be extracted a specific angle. Actually may (unintentionally) reflect reality. A turret may have openings for gunsights, etc. or even the area around the barrels that allows them to elevate. Unlike tanks, these rarely have any piece of movable armor that keeps the gaps (somewhat) covered. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,268 [WG-CC] SireneRacker Privateers, Members 9,083 posts 7,978 battles Report post #12 Posted March 26 A known thing that the game engine can do weird things, especially when ships perform maneuvers but even if they don‘t do so. I managed to score a SAP citadel on a bot DM in a training room with Venezia, shouldn‘t be possible, but it definitely happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,261 [PVE] Asym_KS Members 4,254 posts 18,556 battles Report post #13 Posted March 26 2 hours ago, Shenennigans said: Included the replay in case you wanted to see this nonsense for yourself. How does a 100mm HE Akizuki shell score a citadel on an angled Cleveland 10km away?? I watched the "How it Works" series and feel you have lied to me. What's the max pen for the buffed IJN HE penetration with the new IFHE? 32mm-ish yeah? Even if it hit the side plate of the turret, that's 38mm (and impossible since he was shooting at me, all turrets facing me). Outside of that, paths to citadel are: 51mm through turret top plate, 152mm through barbettes, 25+51mm through side plate and citadel deck, and that doesn't account for the angling. 20200326_154214_PJSD108-Akizuki_15_NE_north.wowsreplay Please do not assume that the modeling and the hit boxes have been tested against the IFHE changes......... Dollars to donuts our host never ran the tests across the fleet to validate what we "should expect" to see........ That would take a whole lot of quality control that I suspect isn't being done. Report it to Support and pray............... I've seen some simply bizarre 100 IJN gun stuff since the IFHE changes and some of it is of real benefit to the Aki, Kity or Harry...... Some, I just don't get either...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
662 [CAST] Murcc [CAST] Members 2,607 posts 10,459 battles Report post #14 Posted March 27 Rare things can happen. If you get a shell deflection somewhere that it normally wouldn't go, gaps in the internal structure of the model might allow a penetration. A couple of months ago, I got an HE citadel on a Moskva with my Smolensk. Its funny when it happens. Its good conversation, when done by a ship with small guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,121 [CVA16] Sabot_100 Members 5,384 posts 16,178 battles Report post #15 Posted March 27 15 minutes ago, Murcc said: A couple of months ago, I got an HE citadel on a Moskva with my Smolensk. Well see, one of the Moskva engine crew had to go out for more vodka in the midst of your HE hail storm (have to have priorities). As he was returning thru the hatch one of your shells went thru, causing him to drop the case of vodka which caught fire in the resulting HE explosion, causing massive damage in the engine room and completely demoralizing the remaining engine room crew that knew they weren't getting any more vodka (the secondary gunners already drank it all). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
