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I am struggling on the IJN DDs, should I free xp to the Akizuki?

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The title basically says it all.  I am currently at the Isokaze at tier 4, and I heard that the Minekaze is even worse tier-for-tier.  I have not been having fun at all and do not expect to in the future.  I have looked ahead to the Hatsuharu and Shiratsuyu, and they seem a little bit better, but what I am really looking for is the playstyle offered by the line starting with the Akizuki.  Currently, I have 600k fxp, and am saving up doubloons to convert more.  Should I just struggle through the line and save for 1 million free xp for a free xp ship, or should I free xp to tier 8 and wait a bit longer for the free xp ship?  Note that I have around 13k doubloons.

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You can, but prepare to die a LOT lol.

Also, be prepared to do things other than pop smoke and shoot at people, or you'll lose more. (and die even MORE often)

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Just a warning, but skipping to the next tier higher isn't going to necessarily mean it's going to get easier. It's probably going to get harder jumping to Tier VIII and then dealing with Daring, Kleber, Moskva, Zao, Yamato, Republique, Hakuryu, etc.

 

Not sure how much prior experience you got playing Tier VIII-X, if you don't have much of that experience, grind your way, because Tier VII will get you a taste of fighting those Tier VIII-IX High Tier ships.

 

Also, I highly suggest to stop spending Doubloons to convert ShipXP -> FreeXP.  The returns on that are horrible and IMO one of the worst expenditures you can possibly make in the game.  When I was new I used to do that until one day I looked at how much FreeXP I was getting (little) compared to the Doubloons / Real Money (a lot) that I was spending.  The temptation gets worse when you start looking at the XP costs the higher in tiers you go, especially if you are staring at FreeXP ships.  You're not getting much in return for those ever increasing costs.

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if you can't make isokaze/minekaze work, you won't be able to make  higher tier DD work in a meta filled with  radar and mass of hydro.       play style gets much more demanding as you go higher.    I would recommend trying other line of DD to get some gunbote experience before going higher.   

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Don't do it.  You will be a much better player in the long run if you grind through the tech tree.  

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30 minutes ago, Striker1015_thunder said:

The title basically says it all.  I am currently at the Isokaze at tier 4, and I heard that the Minekaze is even worse tier-for-tier.  I have not been having fun at all and do not expect to in the future.  I have looked ahead to the Hatsuharu and Shiratsuyu, and they seem a little bit better, but what I am really looking for is the playstyle offered by the line starting with the Akizuki.  Currently, I have 600k fxp, and am saving up doubloons to convert more.  Should I just struggle through the line and save for 1 million free xp for a free xp ship, or should I free xp to tier 8 and wait a bit longer for the free xp ship?  Note that I have around 13k doubloons.

PLEASE DO NOT.

hi-tiers already filled up with "skippers". progression of tiers have it's meaning. this way you learn. if you just skip to akizuki, you will be just another this:

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or this

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Sadly this is the case of "ask me how i know" situation... it took me endless games to re-learn from early indulging with money bought hi-tier ships

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With CV's everywhere, it's a very tough time to be learning DD's.   Your guns don't do much damage, but they give you away; stealth torping and spotting is your game.

I would NOT skip ahead, it's much tougher as was mentioned previously.

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10 minutes ago, centarina said:

if you can't make isokaze/minekaze work, you won't be able to make  higher tier DD work in a meta filled with  radar and mass of hydro.       play style gets much more demanding as you go higher.    I would recommend trying other line of DD to get some gunbote experience before going higher.   

I have made it to the Benson and am pretty close to Fletcher.  Currently at a 55% win rate with the Benson, how do you think I will do with the Akizuki?  I know the playstyles differ somewhat but I do have some experience gunboating with higher tier dds.

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21 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Just a warning, but skipping to the next tier higher isn't going to necessarily mean it's going to get easier. It's probably going to get harder jumping to Tier VIII and then dealing with Daring, Kleber, Moskva, Zao, Yamato, Republique, Hakuryu, etc.

 

Not sure how much prior experience you got playing Tier VIII-X, if you don't have much of that experience, grind your way, because Tier VII will get you a taste of fighting those Tier VIII-IX High Tier ships.

 

Also, I highly suggest to stop spending Doubloons to convert ShipXP -> FreeXP.  The returns on that are horrible and IMO one of the worst expenditures you can possibly make in the game.  When I was new I used to do that until one day I looked at how much FreeXP I was getting (little) compared to the Doubloons / Real Money (a lot) that I was spending.  The temptation gets worse when you start looking at the XP costs the higher in tiers you go, especially if you are staring at FreeXP ships.  You're not getting much in return for those ever increasing costs.

So I do have one tier 10 so far, and that is the Des Moines.  it is true that the high tier USN cruisers have better AA in general than many other ships, so I have not struggled with CVs that much.  I also have good experience playing the Benson, and carriers can be annoying, but I have good concealment, maneuverability, and of course I keep AA off.  In your opinion, how do you think the IJN gunboat DDs fare against the CV meta?

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I would imagine you are struggling due to the numerous CV's. IJN dd's really struggle with radar, hydro and CV's. They are rewarding but not very easy.

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1 hour ago, Striker1015_thunder said:

The title basically says it all.  I am currently at the Isokaze at tier 4, and I heard that the Minekaze is even worse tier-for-tier.  I have not been having fun at all and do not expect to in the future.  I have looked ahead to the Hatsuharu and Shiratsuyu, and they seem a little bit better, but what I am really looking for is the playstyle offered by the line starting with the Akizuki.  Currently, I have 600k fxp, and am saving up doubloons to convert more.  Should I just struggle through the line and save for 1 million free xp for a free xp ship, or should I free xp to tier 8 and wait a bit longer for the free xp ship?  Note that I have around 13k doubloons.

If you're going to dedicate time to high tiers, then I do suggest to skip low and mid tier IJN DDs... The skills learned on those boats are no longer valid for the game...

IF you're going to play at high tiers a lot, nothing learned playing low and mid tier  IJN DDs, will help you in the high tiers...

  • This is the fatal flaw IMO with the IJN DD line as a whole...

If you really want to learn today's meta of the game, hope on the high tier IJN Gun DD line... That entails.

  • learning every ship that have Radar at high tiers
  • Learning every hydro ship at high tiers.
  • Learning tactics.
  • Learning the ins and outs of the high tier maps..
  • Learning the basic core role you play as an IJN DD player...

Now, that said, the disclosure... Under normal circumstances, I dont recommend ever to skip tiers before your time... HOWEVER, based on what I noted above^^... I forgive you for sinning because its the IJN line...

Your progression/learning is split.. You either excel at low/mid tier IJN gaming experience OR you retrain or learn all over again high tier IJN DD game play...

Its not like the BB line or the cruiser lines in where, all the tiers, skills learn is valid for any tier..

 It is what it is... The choice is yours... I say dont even bother with the IJN DD line untill the meta/policy of WOWS becomes more inclusive. 

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31 minutes ago, Striker1015_thunder said:

So I do have one tier 10 so far, and that is the Des Moines.  it is true that the high tier USN cruisers have better AA in general than many other ships, so I have not struggled with CVs that much.  I also have good experience playing the Benson, and carriers can be annoying, but I have good concealment, maneuverability, and of course I keep AA off.  In your opinion, how do you think the IJN gunboat DDs fare against the CV meta?

I'm not a DD Main, I'll let the actual DD specialist players in those botes get into that.  I have a bunch of DDs but I mostly play Cruisers and Battleships.

It's just high tier is it's own whole different world of threats.  For the DDs it can get crazy there as there are more parts of the game in play there than low and mid tier DD play.

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2 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

I'm not a DD Main, I'll let the actual DD specialist players in those botes get into that.  I have a bunch of DDs but I mostly play Cruisers and Battleships.

 It's just high tier is it's own whole different world of threats.  For the DDs it can get crazy there as there are more parts of the game in play there than low and mid tier DD play.

Much appreciated, thank you so much for the input!

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15 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

If you're going to dedicate time to high tiers, then I do suggest to skip low and mid tier IJN DDs... The skills learned on those boats are no longer valid for the game...

IF you're going to play at high tiers a lot, nothing learned playing low and mid tier  IJN DDs, will help you in the high tiers...

  •  This is the fatal flaw IMO with the IJN DD line as a whole...

If you really want to learn today's meta of the game, hope on the high tier IJN Gun DD line... That entails.

  •  learning every ship that have Radar at high tiers
  • Learning every hydro ship at high tiers.
  • Learning tactics.
  • Learning the ins and outs of the high tier maps..
  •  Learning the basic core role you play as an IJN DD player...

Now, that said, the disclosure... Under normal circumstances, I dont recommend ever to skip tiers before your time... HOWEVER, based on what I noted above^^... I forgive you for sinning because its the IJN line...

Your progression/learning is split.. You either excel at low/mid tier IJN gaming experience OR you retrain or learn all over again high tier IJN DD game play...

Its not like the BB line or the cruiser lines in where, all the tiers, skills learn is valid for any tier..

 It is what it is... The choice is yours... I say dont even bother with the IJN DD line untill the meta/policy of WOWS becomes more inclusive. 

Noted, thank you so much for your advice and time!  I will definitely take this into account.

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1 hour ago, Striker1015_thunder said:

I am currently at the Isokaze at tier 4, and I heard that the Minekaze is even worse tier-for-tier. 

No, really, it's not. Mini is a good ship, as is the ship after her, Hatsuharu, though they have somewhat different playstyles. Shiratsuyu is also a playable ship, and then you at AT Akizuki. You will appreciate the learning curve you will get on your way there if you can be patient and grind them out. You will definitely end up a better DD player, and who knows, you might even enjoy the grind; many do. Good luck!

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44 minutes ago, SlartiBartFastE2 said:

PLEASE DO NOT.

hi-tiers already filled up with "skippers". progression of tiers have it's meaning. this way you learn. if you just skip to akizuki, you will be just another this:

image.png.675e1fb03bd4512c715dfa3ef8e35573.png

or this

image.png.1c49c05e60105067b198322342363cbf.png

Sadly this is the case of "ask me how i know" situation... it took me endless games to re-learn from early indulging with money bought hi-tier ships

Yeah, I am also considering the possibility that I will become one of "those people" haha.  I will definitely learn as I go through.  Thank you for the warning!

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So, while I do agree with not skipping tiers to learn, I also know that the Akizuki and up are completely different play styles from the Shiratsuyu and below. The tier 7 and below are all torp boats like the other line, Akizuki, Kita and Haru are all some of the best gunboats in the game. Not sure why they did this, but that's how it is.

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5 minutes ago, Umikami said:

No, really, it's not. Mini is a good ship, as is the ship after her, Hatsuharu, though they have somewhat different playstyles. Shiratsuyu is also a playable ship, and then you at AT Akizuki. You will appreciate the learning curve you will get on your way there if you can be patient and grind them out. You will definitely end up a better DD player, and who knows, you might even enjoy the grind; many do. Good luck!

I will definitely consider toughing it out and grinding the line.  If I end up enjoying then I definitely have you to thank!  If not, then oh well, free xp saved is free xp earned haha.  Anyway, thank you for your opinion!

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2 minutes ago, Vector03 said:

So, while I do agree with not skipping tiers to learn, I also know that the Akizuki and up are completely different play styles from the Shiratsuyu and below. The tier 7 and below are all torp boats like the other line, Akizuki, Kita and Haru are all some of the best gunboats in the game. Not sure why they did this, but that's how it is.

Yup, that's one of the huge reasons why I am just considering skipping.  I do not feel like I will learn anything if I play through the line, but I do not want to make any quick conclusions either.

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I strongly discourage Free XP'ing past entire ships.

You would be missing out on some valuable line learning time, and you might completely miss a couple of really nice ships along the way.

Yes, Akizuki is great.  But, it isn't going anywhere so there is no rush.  Save your Free XP to upgrade stock ships to the next hull, or for a free premium ship.

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Don't skip... if you had a LOT of games in other lines I'd say go for it.  But you don't.  Play through the lines and learn from them as best you can.  Use Free XP to get through the A hull, etc. so you're not playing with an inferior boat, but otherwise, play through.

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51 minutes ago, Legio_X_ said:

I struggle to play any DD when I see 5+ CVs in que

Come on the spreadsheet says" your having fun"

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if you feel confident about benson, you  may be ok, but you will use up lot of fxp which could be used elsewhere.     biggest downside to aki compated to benson is   lower agility and of course, it has less torps  but it does have higher fire power with flatter shooting gun that more than makes up for it. 

I did run  PE  DD at t5 and it had no trouble with CV. Good AA can make it fun  lol.     also finished t6 DD  for free camo and it was also decent. (only played 3 match in random though with rest being in operation)    

 

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NO i am an IJN DD Main and the worse thing you can do is skip tiers in a dd, its less forgiving with other class's but still not good.

Just learn to use stealth, never rush a cap and even funner is baiting a radar and making that player waste it. IJN is fun

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