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PAY $4 FOR $2.86 of stuff in Bundle? NO THANKS!

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With the Euro DD event The Armory has been stocked with a new group of random bundles to buy for 1000 gold which equals $4.00 at $1=250gold 

I started figuring the math for the value of the 9 different bundles as listed under the next random bundle, since so many bundles and containers over the last 8 months pay out less than what you pay for them  (bundles should give you a deal-- not a rip off)

the first group- prices out at $4.98 which is nice

BUT THE second prices out at $2.86 for a $1.14 LOSS, !!!        and there of 10 of that bundle to pop up and steal your money,  

when this bundle comes out you are expected to take the loss hoping for a better random bundle next time 

like a slot machine giving you half your money back and grinding you down hoping for a jackpot (the 250token bundle)

This is GAMBOLING for tokens, this is not ethical esp when Paying gold ($) and tokens have a stated value in credits

what I will do when this bundle comes up, don't buy it ---end of the line for this event

here is the math  using WGs own in game or shop pricing 

40 tokens=$.80   5 euro camo =$1.20  8 Wyvern=$.64  10 PapaPapa =$.32  

You see the problem, !! it is that person who thinks (or wants us to think) all   flags are of equal value, and here we have the lowest value special flag coupled with a low value signal   & tokens

 

WYVERNS are worth only 1/3rd to 1/4 the other special flags  ,Papa Papa is overvalued by WG for what it really provides

but using WGs own pricing of 8 gold for papa papa =3.2cents (250gold=1$)   a Wyvern pays out about 2.3x papa papas so easy to value at 8 cents

 

Euro camo =type 6 camo + a Zulu flag=58 gold= 23.2 cents (which comes  out 5 for $1.16--but ill grant 5 for $1.20 rounding up)

WG has said tokens are worth 7500 credits, both in the armory or at end of event. 1gold=1500 credits , 250 gold =1$  thus 1 token =2cents

Give me a fair deal in bundles and containers and I will spend money, but I will not buy if being ripped off or being stolen from,

end of random bundle buying when this bundle comes up

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None of those bundles are worth anything when you consider that all the ships can be earned for free without tokens, if you're willing to wait till next patch.

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3 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

None of those bundles are worth anything when you consider that all the ships can be earned for free without tokens, if you're willing to wait till next patch.

     Bingo!

 

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6 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

None of those bundles are worth anything when you consider that all the ships can be earned for free without tokens, if you're willing to wait till next patch.

SHUT-UP I WANT SHIPS NAO!!!

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I guess WG wants your money real bad; anybody know how the Corona Virus is faring in Leningrad? Delivery charges there must be through the roof!

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Folks,

All we're doing is providing options for you to get the ships and additional items.

You don't have to spend anything if you don't want. No one is making you spend your dubs...

Mahalo,

-Hapa

 

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10 minutes ago, Hapa_Fodder said:

Folks,

All we're doing is providing options for you to get the ships and addition items.

As stated, you don't have to spend anything if you don't want. No one is making you spend your dubs...

Mahalo,

-Hapa

 

Well yeah, he's already state that he wasn't going to buy the bundles. I think he's just remarking on how absurd it is. 

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The Money Pit Vipers (MPVs) do not care about being fair,  They prey on the casual gamer who does not delve into the fine print of the game.  But I found your figures fascinating and will build a spread sheet to add to my WOW work book. Just glad this game is not PAY to win (cough0

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45 minutes ago, Banished_Privateer said:

This is how WarGaming bypassed gambling ban in many countries, 'legal' bundles gambling. 

Gambling (also known as betting) is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

But it's not gambling when you know exactly what you are getting for the doubloons you are asked to spend. It's a choice to continue at that point. And not a smart choice, either. WG is relying on human nature to make a profit off this system. This marketing model is all around us. Many folks want "the next best thing" now and are willing to spend money instead of waiting a couple of weeks to get it for free. 

 

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2 hours ago, OttoVonPrien said:

With the Euro DD event The Armory has been stocked with a new group of random bundles to buy for 1000 gold which equals $4.00 at $1=250gold 

I started figuring the math for the value of the 9 different bundles as listed under the next random bundle, since so many bundles and containers over the last 8 months pay out less than what you pay for them  (bundles should give you a deal-- not a rip off)

the first group- prices out at $4.98 which is nice

BUT THE second prices out at $2.86 for a $1.14 LOSS, !!!        and there of 10 of that bundle to pop up and steal your money,  

when this bundle comes out you are expected to take the loss hoping for a better random bundle next time 

like a slot machine giving you half your money back and grinding you down hoping for a jackpot (the 250token bundle)

This is GAMBOLING for tokens, this is not ethical esp when Paying gold ($) and tokens have a stated value in credits

what I will do when this bundle comes up, don't buy it ---end of the line for this event

here is the math  using WGs own in game or shop pricing 

40 tokens=$.80   5 euro camo =$1.20  8 Wyvern=$.64  10 PapaPapa =$.32  

You see the problem, !! it is that person who thinks (or wants us to think) all   flags are of equal value, and here we have the lowest value special flag coupled with a low value signal   & tokens

 

WYVERNS are worth only 1/3rd to 1/4 the other special flags  ,Papa Papa is overvalued by WG for what it really provides

but using WGs own pricing of 8 gold for papa papa =3.2cents (250gold=1$)   a Wyvern pays out about 2.3x papa papas so easy to value at 8 cents

 

Euro camo =type 6 camo + a Zulu flag=58 gold= 23.2 cents (which comes  out 5 for $1.16--but ill grant 5 for $1.20 rounding up)

WG has said tokens are worth 7500 credits, both in the armory or at end of event. 1gold=1500 credits , 250 gold =1$  thus 1 token =2cents

Give me a fair deal in bundles and containers and I will spend money, but I will not buy if being ripped off or being stolen from,

end of random bundle buying when this bundle comes up

Not all of us play at the casino and random bundles feels more like casino gambling then a regular game loot box. I would even say call of duty gives more value in loot boxes then Wargaming. Maybe we should have one day ship sales instead just sayin.

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LET  me clarify I spend a lot of money on this game

I DO BuY BUNDLES but when the next bundle I am going to buy shortchanges me money I will not buy and since you cant get to the next without buying the short stuff bundle I must stop, unless I want to be cheated,  if you were buy eggs would you pay the price for 12 for only 6??

1 hour ago, Hapa_Fodder said:

Folks,

All we're doing is providing options for you to get the ships and additional items.

You don't have to spend anything if you don't want. No one is making you spend your dubs...

Mahalo,

-Hapa

 

miss  or ignore my point,  II WANT TO SPEND MONEY , but I will not be shortchanged in the process. 

a 4$ bundle should have at least $4 of stuff that is why it is called a  bundle , should you pay more for a dozen eggs than 12x the price of one?

I will buy the bundles till the next one has less than the $4 price ,  end of my spending , end of WG making money

while most people are buying for the tokens, the rest of the bundle is useful and gives me other stuff I need or can use.

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1 hour ago, Hapa_Fodder said:

Folks,

All we're doing is providing options for you to get the ships and additional items.

You don't have to spend anything if you don't want. No one is making you spend your dubs...

Mahalo,

-Hapa

 

sounds a lot like all we are doing is robbing you and we are not going to admit that we are not giving you the value equal to what you are spending. as we know that you will buy it either way. perhaps you need a different job at wg as this is one of the most arrogant things i have seen so far. how about taking the observation to the company and say. hey this isnt right perhaps we should include more content that would equal the money being spent. or add more to make it an actual value bundle as a bundle would indicate more than buying separately.  vs saying you dont have to buy it stupid 

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49 minutes ago, Sovereigndawg said:

92 of them is a bit much too.

But what about all those people who really want to spend $368 dollars at home instead of going to Vegas? 

 

3 hours ago, OttoVonPrien said:

This is GAMBOLING for tokens,

Freudian slip?

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3 hours ago, OttoVonPrien said:

This is GAMBOLING for tokens, this is not ethical esp when Paying gold ($) and tokens have a stated value in credits

Jumping and prancing for tokens is unethical? Undignified yes, but unethical, well...

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1 hour ago, Hapa_Fodder said:

Folks,

All we're doing is providing options for you to get the ships and additional items.

You don't have to spend anything if you don't want. No one is making you spend your dubs...

Mahalo,

-Hapa

 

agree, and I like the idea, but it is like I joke about Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde working at WG 

The Dr gets these great ideas and implements them and then Hyde comes along and messes it up, overprices and reduces quantities etc. 

Last 8 months major downward trend in bundles and containers as to value for $ spent.

buy a $1 jug of water at grocery store for $1 and a chance to win cart of groceries, great, pay $2 for the $! jug for chance of cart, that's gamboling.

and thanks to WG for showing us what that random bundle will be, so the real gamble is whats behind it?

 

No problem with buying bundles to speed things up, problem when those $4 bundles have less than $3 of stuff in them

and your right I don't have to buy and I will not, but unlike many posting to my post I want to buy and would if not cheated.

if anyone thinks buying $3 bundles for $4 is a good idea , I have some nice new $1 bills I can let you have for $1.50 each

 

PS I am sure Marketing will love what you just told the customer base, you should be pushing for better thought out deals so WG can sell more AIR

and make more money, since it is all air with no real value and little bit more in the bundles does not hurt WGs bottom line

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6 minutes ago, iDuckman said:

But what about all those people who really want to spend $368 dollars at home instead of going to Vegas? 

You can't go to Vegas & gamble right now. They shut the strip down. Time to get some bundles. :Smile_trollface:

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9 minutes ago, iDuckman said:

But what about all those people who really want to spend $368 dollars at home instead of going to Vegas?

Just make your checks payable to Sovereigndawg, feel good about helping a volunteer worker out.

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Just now, Sovereigndawg said:

Just make your checks payable to Sovereigndawg, feel good about helping a volunteer worker out.

It's in the mail!  Thanks, buddy.

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3 hours ago, OttoVonPrien said:

This is GAMBOLING for tokens, this is not ethical esp when Paying gold ($) and tokens have a stated value in credits

Jumping and prancing for tokens is unethical? Undignified yes, but unethical, well...

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44 minutes ago, Khafni said:

Gambling (also known as betting) is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

But it's not gambling when you know exactly what you are getting for the doubloons you are asked to spend. It's a choice to continue at that point. And not a smart choice, either. WG is relying on human nature to make a profit off this system. This marketing model is all around us. Many folks want "the next best thing" now and are willing to spend money instead of waiting a couple of weeks to get it for free. 

 

The uncertainty here is what will come in the _next_ bundle.  Folks may be persuaded to spend their dubs on a known bundle with contents they do not value highly, gambling they the next revealed bundle will have the big prize that they do want.

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to restate the issue 

I don't have a problem with random bundles 0f different values nor of spending money on them to speed up my game "progress" my time is valuable and I can afford $300 a month on this game. 

BUT the lowest valued bundles should have at least have the value I paid for them.

whoever is making up these 1000 gold- $4 bundles needs to do their homework and make sure that each bundle is worth $4

 

PS I believe WG has a good product (could be better if they listened to old time player base) but it is worthy of support $ from those who play it if in a position to do so.

The people who buy stuff pay for the game, development, and the players who don't. all I ask is don't try to cheat me while I am doing it.

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