A complete joke.

[Final8ty]

So a single DB drop did 14.7k to my shima with double fires.

[JackSparrow_665]

8 minutes ago, Final8ty said:

So a single DB drop did 13.7k to my shima.



Well, at least the damage is historically accurate.

[CaliburxZero]

10 minutes ago, JackSparrow_665 said:

Well, at least the damage is historically accurate.

If that's the argument u want to use to justify it, shall we allow for CVs to explode from any type of explosive-based damage that would hit the Aircraft fuel reserves or ordinance that is stored for the aircraft in the first place?  No?  Now quiet down.  Justifying historical accuracy on an arcade game just makes you look desperate to try and justify what is so blatantly bull on this game.

And OP, I suggest you show a detailed report or a replay because CV babies will sit there and try to tell you you're lying, or how that never happens so don't worry about it.  

[JackSparrow_665]

Just now, CaliburxZero said:

If that's the argument u want to use to justify it, shall we allow for CVs to explode from any type of explosive-based damage that would hit the Aircraft fuel reserves or ordinance that is stored for the aircraft in the first place?  No?  Now quiet down.  Justifying historical accuracy on an arcade game just makes you look desperate to try and justify what is so blatantly bull on this game.

And OP, I suggest you show a detailed report or a replay because CV babies will sit there and try to tell you you're lying, or how that never happens so don't worry about it.  

It was a joke....

[CaliburxZero]

4 minutes ago, JackSparrow_665 said:

It was a joke....

Pretty hard to tell with the people on this forum honestly.

[Snarky_Wombat]

30 minutes ago, Final8ty said:

So a single DB drop did 13.7k to my shima.

That must have been one hell of a drop, hats off the CV player to land that.  That, or made yourself an easy target.

[MaxMcKay]

31 minutes ago, Final8ty said:

So a single DB drop did 13.7k to my shima.

Yeah it's almost being devastating strike by a BB or Cruiser, or DD torpedoes....Ooo OOO Could've been a citadel also that any other ship...because you know the only thing that does that kind of damage is a CV alone...right?

[DeletedUser]

Just now, MaxMcKay said:

Yeah it's almost being devastating strike by a BB or Cruiser, or DD torpedoes....Ooo OOO Could've been a citadel also that any other ship...because you know the only thing that does that kind of damage is a CV alone...right?

CVs not allowed to do damage because you know DDs cant do anything about it and are helpless. 

[MaxMcKay]

11 minutes ago, CaliburxZero said:

If that's the argument u want to use to justify it, shall we allow for CVs to explode from any type of explosive-based damage that would hit the Aircraft fuel reserves or ordinance that is stored for the aircraft in the first place?  No?  Now quiet down.  Justifying historical accuracy on an arcade game just makes you look desperate to try and justify what is so blatantly bull on this game.

And OP, I suggest you show a detailed report or a replay because CV babies will sit there and try to tell you you're lying, or how that never happens so don't worry about it.  

Yeah because it couldn't be like a devastating strike or ya know a citadel that any other ship can be deleted by?  Nah this is a unique thing that ONLY a CV can do it!  No bb's or CA's can!  No DD devastating torp strikes!  No only the evil CV MUAHAHAHAHAH....  Honestly do you read the bias you throw around so easily?

[Rocketpacman]

4 minutes ago, MaxMcKay said:

Yeah it's almost being devastating strike by a BB or Cruiser, or DD torpedoes....Ooo OOO Could've been a citadel also that any other ship...because you know the only thing that does that kind of damage is a CV alone...right?

Why should a ship that can spot and strike any target on the map have the same dealing damage potential as the other classes? 

[Xlap]

6 minutes ago, MaxMcKay said:

Yeah it's almost being devastating strike by a BB or Cruiser, or DD torpedoes....Ooo OOO Could've been a citadel also that any other ship...because you know the only thing that does that kind of damage is a CV alone...right?

Because CVs are the only ones that can spot, strike a ship anywhere on the map, without any risk to the ship, and without any skill based counter play. 

 

Other ships would have to take risks, expose themselves to return fire. They would need other ships to spot the DD. Other ships are limites by terrain and range while cv's dont. 

[MaxMcKay]

Just now, Xlap said:

Because CVs are the only ones that can spot, strike a ship anywhere on the map, without any risk to the ship, and without any skill based counter play. 

 

Other ships would have to take risks, expose themselves to return fire. They would need other ships to spot the DD. Other ships are limites by terrain and range while cv's dont. 

Yeah DD's can't stealth launch, up tier BB's aren't hitting targets 30km out.  No other ships have their limits and their advantages.  Only issue is you don't want to admit that when it's easier to just blame a CV.

[MaxMcKay]

6 minutes ago, Rocketpacman said:

Why should a ship that can spot and strike any target on the map have the same dealing damage potential as the other classes? 

Ok so your upset that a CV can do exactly what any other ship can do, but it's more special because planes fly and do the damage for the CV.  You notice a trend here how every other ship apparently is helpless to the mighty OP CV? Dude what ever your smoking you have GOT to share!

[Rocketpacman]

Just now, MaxMcKay said:

Ok so your upset that a CV can do exactly what any other ship can do, but it's more special because planes fly and do the damage for the CV.  You notice a trend here how every other ship apparently is helpless to the mighty OP CV? Dude what ever your smoking you have GOT to share!

I'm asking you why CVs should be able to do "exactly what any other ship can do" while also having major advantages the other ships don't get. Shouldn't there be some sort of downside to their damage dealing capability to compensate for their ability to force an engagement with any target on the map regardless of their own positioning?

[MaxMcKay]

Just now, Rocketpacman said:

I'm asking you why CVs should be able to do "exactly what any other ship can do" while also having major advantages the other ships don't get. Shouldn't there be some sort of downside to their damage dealing capability to compensate for their ability to force an engagement with any target on the map regardless of their own positioning?

You do realize that the CV's damage is nerfed already and doesn't do it's full ability to damage a ship.  You should also understand CV's have a artificial "arming" run to be able to fire.  Which no other ship has.  CV's have had their exp redone and lowered as well.  Also if your stating well they can attack anywhere, so can any other ship, and in most cases faster then a CV can fly it's strikes.  BB's can shell to 30km depending on the tier, DD's have 20km torps, or above 6k torps so they can stay unspotted and keep everything they are looking at spotted and can sit attacking ships as well!  So no if the only thing you can complain about is how fast a plane moves then you should expand your knowledge of other ships abilities as well.  Not just limit it to something you've got a bias for.

[Iron_Myke]

As I have mentioned before, put limits on the range of their planes. Like torpedoes and shells fired from guns. Put a range on how far they can fly from the CV. That will put CVs at risk when using their armaments like the rest of the ships have to endure.

[Crucis]

46 minutes ago, CaliburxZero said:

Pretty hard to tell with the people on this forum honestly.

It wasn't THAT hard.

[Rocketpacman]

15 minutes ago, MaxMcKay said:

You do realize that the CV's damage is nerfed already and doesn't do it's full ability to damage a ship.  You should also understand CV's have a artificial "arming" run to be able to fire.  Which no other ship has.  CV's have had their exp redone and lowered as well.  Also if your stating well they can attack anywhere, so can any other ship, and in most cases faster then a CV can fly it's strikes.  BB's can shell to 30km depending on the tier, DD's have 20km torps, or above 6k torps so they can stay unspotted and keep everything they are looking at spotted and can sit attacking ships as well!  So no if the only thing you can complain about is how fast a plane moves then you should expand your knowledge of other ships abilities as well.  Not just limit it to something you've got a bias for.

So you agree that CVs should not be able to inflict damage like the other classes? 

No they can't. This is an unassailable fact. CVs are the only class in the game with an unlimited range of engagement, the ability to spot any location on the map regardless of their own ship's positioning, and the ability to strike through terrain. 

[Saetre]

Defending this as balanced is delusional.  

[Xlap]

34 minutes ago, MaxMcKay said:

Yeah DD's can't stealth launch, up tier BB's aren't hitting targets 30km out.  No other ships have their limits and their advantages.  Only issue is you don't want to admit that when it's easier to just blame a CV.

All ships have limits, CVs are the only ones that either dont have limits or those limits are stretched to the maximum. The only ships that can spot and strike anywhere on the map, in seconds, wihtout having to worry with terrain or dispersion, wihtout  the need of help from other ships, and without any counterplay. And wihtout any risk to their ships. 

 

All other ships need to deal with distance, terrain, dispersion that increasses with range, they need help to spot targets, they have counterplay wich can mitigate or prevent dmg. And they are all taking risks while they perfrom any task.

 

[Targeted]

13 minutes ago, GE_Capital said:

Defending this as balanced is delusional.  

But it was 'fun and engaging'!

[Taichunger]

The arguments made in favor of CVs are simply not relevant to the experience of players every day. As CVs increase in number in matches, DD players either leave the game or move to modes where there are CVs. On the SEA server, where CVs are super popular, even the devs, with their obsession with cramming CVs down everyone's throat, have become concerned about the DD population there.

Whatever you may think about CVs, the population drop on the Russian server, the stagnant populations on the other servers (without influx from SEA, NA probably be falling too), and the number of people who have shifted out of Randoms, stopped spending, or stopped playing entirely remain an issue if we are going to have matches with CVs.

The idiotic responses that people have like "Wow that CV driver was good" or "you shouldn't have been alone" or "but if you just dodge" aren't addressing any important problems. CVs are slowly strangling the game to death. How will "turn off your AA" or "you misplayed that" help with these fundamental problems?

 

[Shannon_Lindsey]

You know what, this thread has convinced me. It is time WG does the unthinkable and radical.

It's time for DDs to get their own separate mode.

Think about it. If they were separated from everyone else, there would be no more planes spotting them to death or Radar cruisers. I mean, remember when they got that buff the kept planes from spotting their torpedoes anymore? It's time the persecution of innocent BBs were brought to an end. This way DDs can be free to be OP in a safe place, where they don't have to worry as much about what can spot them. It will also make the toxicity of the game greatly decrease, because they won't be here to complain when they get deleted first.

It's time, WG, bansh the DDs, for them, and for us.

[Taichunger]

13 minutes ago, Shannon_Lindsey said:

You know what, this thread has convinced me. It is time WG does the unthinkable and radical.

It's time for DDs to get their own separate mode.

Think about it. If they were separated from everyone else, there would be no more planes spotting them to death or Radar cruisers. I mean, remember when they got that buff the kept planes from spotting their torpedoes anymore? It's time the persecution of innocent BBs were brought to an end. This way DDs can be free to be OP in a safe place, where they don't have to worry as much about what can spot them. It will also make the toxicity of the game greatly decrease, because they won't be here to complain when they get deleted first.

It's time, WG, bansh the DDs, for them, and for us.

Like i just said...

"... The idiotic responses that people have like "Wow that CV driver was good" or "you shouldn't have been alone" or "but if you just dodge" aren't addressing any important problems. CVs are slowly strangling the game to death. How will "turn off your AA" or "you misplayed that" help with these fundamental problems?...

[Snargfargle]

2 hours ago, Ban_CV_Complainers said:

CVs not allowed to do damage because you know DDs cant do anything about it and are helpless. 

You are right. It's not like DDs can turn off their AA so that they are not spotted more than 3 km away and maneuver to avoid planes, spec for AA so that their ships are better capable of handling planes, use Defensive AA and Sector Reinforcement if they are spotted and attacked, maneuver to avoid ordinance, smoke up so the planes lose sight of them, ask their team's CV for a fighter CAP, stay close to AA ships for support, or anything else like that.