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Why don't we have a pair of special IJN commanders?

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So, why don't we have a special pair of IJN commanders like the USN's Doe brothers?  Seriously, how hard can that be to come up with?

We have a legendary IJN commander in Yamamoto, but not the pair of special commanders.

Curious minds want to know.

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20 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Tameichi Hara, sooner than soon, WG.

Prophet, the "special" commanders are meant to be historical.  They seem to always use rather generic names from their country and come in pairs, one sold for coal, the other for doubloons.

My only gripe is that I wish that the two commanders weren't total copies of each other, i.e. having the same enhanced skills.  I wish that they'd each have different enhanced skills.

 

On a related side note, I wish that the historical commanders they added to the armory (not the legendary ones) had some enhanced skills.  If you're gonna spend 1k doubloons for a 10 point commander, is it too much to ask that they have some enhanced abilities, same as the other "special" commanders?

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3 minutes ago, Crucis said:

the "special" commanders are meant to be historical.

And there will never be submarines in this game (WoWs quote, every year up to 2019.)

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There is one you can earn in a campaign......and one from ALONG time ago that is not offered anymore...
But yeah other than that 1 in the campaign there are none....wth????
Did they all kamikaze so they can't be offered????

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Wouldn't mind another cool IJN commander - wouldn't mind at all. Yamamoto is pretty BB-suited, so it might be cool to have this fellow:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raizō_Tanaka

A torpedo-specialist who was in charge of the "Tokyo express," and is regarded as one of Japan's best admirals of WWII. He survived the war, too, which is kind of a rare feat for frontline Japanese admirals.

And, of course, there's this fellow:

800px-Togo_Heihachiro_in_uniform.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tōgō_Heihachirō

But my guess is we won't ever see him because 1) bias, and 2) his era is a bit early for WoWs (even though we can play his flagship to our heart's delight).

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26 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Raizo Tanaka, DD superstar, and Takeo Kurita, BB retreat expert.

And there will never be submarines in this game (WoWs quote, every year up to 2019.)

I'd rather that they stuck to the concept that "special" commanders were fictional nobodies, with only some special abilities.

And I guess that I'm just really, REALLY frustrated that you guys are so damned focused on using historical commanders.  They already have TWO ways to include historical commanders.  They don't need a third for crying out loud!!!

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6 minutes ago, Crucis said:

I'd rather that they stuck to the concept that "special" commanders were fictional nobodies, with only some special abilities.

Could they maybe come up with some better, more imaginative names for them?

6 minutes ago, Crucis said:

And I guess that I'm just really, REALLY frustrated that you guys are so damned focused on using historical commanders.

Historical commanders are cool; John Doe is just laughable.

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Sadly, my campaign for Joe Yamamoto got mired in red tape. 

So put me down for Raizo Tanaka

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2 hours ago, Crucis said:

So, why don't we have a special pair of IJN commanders like the USN's Doe brothers?  Seriously, how hard can that be to come up with?

We have a legendary IJN commander in Yamamoto, but not the pair of special commanders.

Curious minds want to know.

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WG hates IJN 

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1 hour ago, Commander_367 said:

WG hates IJN 

o7

See:  Battle of Tsushima

Russians hold grudges for a very long time, no matter how detrimental or illogical it is. Many RU-developed games I have seen cannot seem to escape Nationalism.

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There may be some problem with rights to the names, though it doesn't to be a problem all the time.

It would be nice to have Tanaka around. 

Tanaka survived the war in part to him "rocking the boat" with high command which got him transferred to a training post.

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4 hours ago, Umikami said:

Could they maybe come up with some better, more imaginative names for them?

Historical commanders are cool; John Doe is just laughable.

His brother is even sillier, though. At least John Doe has a meaning behind it, and even comes with shots fired by effectively calling Steven Seagal a nobody. :cap_haloween:

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9 hours ago, Crucis said:

So, why don't we have a special pair of IJN commanders like the USN's Doe brothers?  Seriously, how hard can that be to come up with?

We have a legendary IJN commander in Yamamoto, but not the pair of special commanders.

Curious minds want to know.

Why>?  As said above:  History.....

The Japanese took to Teddy's concept of Manifest Destiny like Geese to grass.......!  They "groked" that concept to the point they "assumed" the West admired powerful national identities whom "had a plan for greatness!"  The Sino-Russian conflict in the late 1800's drove Japan to believe they were as militarily efficient and culturally Imperialistic as the US and that drove them to believe the US would accept them as equals;....  and then, came WW1.  Where the West showed their true colors and segregated and minimized those "little yellow fellows" into a secondary status;..........simply insulting, Japan's efforts to be part of the World's power cultures....  Alas, that didn't sit too well and set up the geo-political mess that created WW2....

And, you wonder why the IJN in this game gets "as little as humanly possible?"  And, the US kept Russia from obtaining a foot hold, a warn weather port in SE Asia after WW2; and, the several incidents of the US keeping Japanese WW2 technology from them (as a single example: the I-400 subs being sent to Hawaii)..........   Well, don't expect IJN ships to be treated equally in this game !!!    Now, was the use of nuclear weapons in 1945 the culmination of Manifest Destiny or an act of Economic Imperialism.....  (That is a Master Level assignment - what say you?!)

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I have been to Hiroshima and rung the "Peace Bell".

Holding grudges is a burden.
Such a burden is best let go.

I like anime and russian rifles and many aspects of cultures from around the world.

Learn the past in order to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past.  :-)

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9 hours ago, Umikami said:

Raizo Tanaka, DD superstar, and Takeo Kurita, BB retreat expert.

And there will never be submarines in this game (WoWs quote, every year up to 2019.)

I thinl he meant "aren't meant to be historical".

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8 hours ago, Commander_367 said:

WG hates IJN 

o7

I dunno, they didn't hand out a whole dynasty's worth of (what became) 10-pt generic commanders and free premium ships for the other nations.

I've got 2 free premium ships that are actually good ships, and I have enough 10-pointers for all my IJN ships, plus more in reserve. And they're one of only two nations that have a free 15-point commander.

Not only that, but I have a T9 BB that overmatches 32mm, my cruisers now shoot lasers, and my favorite T8 BB is still relevant, despite being one of the first two on the game.

If that's hatred, sign me up!

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1 hour ago, Asym_KS said:

Now, was the use of nuclear weapons in 1945 the culmination of Manifest Destiny or an act of Economic Imperialism.....  (That is a Master Level assignment - what say you?!)

I have a 'Master Level' question for you.

Would you rather drop two bombs killing hundreds of thousands and wiping out two cities?  

Or invade the Home Islands which would result in millions of dead civilians, as well as dead soldiers on both sides?

America is still giving out Purple Hearts that were created in the 1940s in preparation of the invasion of Japan.  

Japan started invading her neighbors in the 1930s and was sanctioned by the US because the League of Nations was spineless.

So in order to make up this lost oil, more neighbors in SE Asia and modern day Indonesia had to be conquered, so Pearl was struck to buy them more time.  The rest is history.

I know your marxist teachers have convinced you that America bad, but do try to read a book sometime.

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59 minutes ago, Rustyhole said:

I have a 'Master Level' question for you.

Would you rather drop two bombs killing hundreds of thousands and wiping out two cities?  

Or invade the Home Islands which would result in millions of dead civilians, as well as dead soldiers on both sides?

America is still giving out Purple Hearts that were created in the 1940s in preparation of the invasion of Japan.  

Japan started invading her neighbors in the 1930s and was sanctioned by the US because the League of Nations was spineless.

So in order to make up this lost oil, more neighbors in SE Asia and modern day Indonesia had to be conquered, so Pearl was struck to buy them more time.  The rest is history.

I know your marxist teachers have convinced you that America bad, but do try to read a book sometime.

Oh Ow Ouch ! 

First, I am well before Marxist teachers in academia.........  I'm really old and do some of that "teaching" me self and, I am not even close to Socialism or Marxism thank you !  I teach Asymmetrical systems and cultural assimilation of technology.... 

And, you didn't answer the question: is what we did the the expression of MD or was it EI?   It had very little to do with losses.....because, that was a lot of hyperbole....(see below).  My dad was a Marine in 1944 and late 1945 so I have that perspective well in hand and know at the operational level what they believed was going to happen.    Take a whack at it !  What was the compelling reason to do this???  Notice, the Russian didn't even attempt anything to stop it (other than diplomatic screaming and yelling.....) after the first bomb dropped.....  Here are a hint or two:  warm weather ports and technologies Japan was in control of (and some IP was German tech they had adapted);.......not to mention, what they already had (the type 93's and the I-400 series subs)......  Actually, it was really their IR and radar tech we absolutely wanted.  So, what was it?  Call the ball Ghost rider....

Remember what LeMay advocated and did:

There are no innocent civilians. It is their government and you are fighting a people, you are not trying to fight an armed force anymore. So it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders.

Actually, I think it's more immoral to use less force than necessary, than it is to use more. if you use less force, you kill off more of humanity in the long run, because you are merely protracting the struggle.

and this one, 2+ decades after ww2; that, he used as a model for strategic bombing in WW2 and Korea:

My solution to the problem would be to tell [the North Vietnamese Communists] frankly that they've got to draw in their horns and stop their aggression or we're going to bomb them into the Stone Age. And we would shove them back into the Stone Age with Air power or Naval power—not with ground forces.

And today, what did we do for Japan and what have we extracted from our decades long economic involvement?  Morality (MD), Economics (EI) or "an allied warm weather port" in the Northern Asian latitudes.... 

Good reply but I'm not even close to your last sentence.

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1 hour ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

I have been to Hiroshima and rung the "Peace Bell".

Holding grudges is a burden.
Such a burden is best let go.

I like anime and russian rifles and many aspects of cultures from around the world.

Learn the past in order to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past.  :-)

The SVT-40 story is a great military vignette !!!  And, I love mine!  Except for the severely dented brass (even with the historical piece of leather fix !).....

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1 hour ago, Rustyhole said:

I have a 'Master Level' question for you.

Would you rather drop two bombs killing hundreds of thousands and wiping out two cities?  

Or invade the Home Islands which would result in millions of dead civilians, as well as dead soldiers on both sides?

Not only that, but it was also intended to keep the Russians in check, so they stopped at Berlin....

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WG had the flimsy excuse that the reason the IJN don't get special generic commanders was because they got the lion's share of Collaboration commanders.

Except when WG was confronted about it by asking them to give all Collaboration commanders as well as Event commanders (Halloween/Space/Waterworld/Misc like Dusty Rhodes) similar buffs as Special commanders (mostly EM + a 3pt or 4pt skill depending on commander), they said no.

Meanwhile, here's WG putting out increasingly specialized and sometimes OP Commanders for every nation EXCEPT the IJN. And to make it more ironic, Isoroku's bonuses are notably not as great as Halsey or the recent Unique KM and VMF commanders.

It's just WG being Salty about Tsushima as usual.

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RaizoTanaka.jpg

Tanaka Raizo - For DD and CL oriented skills, as those were what he showed his expertise in.

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Hara Tameichi - Commanding Officer for Amatsukaze at the early stages of the war, became a Division Commander on Shigure.  Those were the glory days for him and Shigure in particular did extremely well.  Late in the war he would be the CO of CL Yahagi.  His skills should show an improved benefit towards Destroyers.  Of note, Hara was the only pre-WWII IJN Destroyer captain to survive the war.

Image result for japanese destroyer captain

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Nagumo Chuichi - He was Commanding Officer of the First Air Fleet for the glory days when Japanese Carriers ran rampant.  His special skills should reinforce CV play to reflect that.

Up until the USN CV surprise attacks, the Japanese had been terrifyingly effective.  Most often with Midway, the only 2 things people talk about with this battle is the naval intelligence coup by the US and the end result of 4 destroyed IJN Carriers.  Very few put down events like that video in just how good the Japanese were doing until the US Carrier attacks got a hold of the Japanese force.

 

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