5 GODOFGOLD808 Members 2 posts Report post #1 Posted February 11, 2020 I was looking forward to seeing predreadnought battleships but ended up disappointed when the wargaming corporation never added it. They had no regard for people who love historical references. Please add the Potemkin and other predreadnoughts to the premium shop, stop withholding the model and add it already. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,550 [SYN] Kapitan_Wuff Members 8,256 posts 14,111 battles Report post #2 Posted February 11, 2020 Why? Really, why do you want more pre dreadnaughts? They will be utter crap to play, have you played Mikasa? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,774 [RKLES] dEsTurbed1 [RKLES] Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 6,345 posts 22,132 battles Report post #3 Posted February 11, 2020 Mikasa is fun..... Once ships are in your secondaries range... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,657 [-K-] Ace_04 Members 8,491 posts 14,883 battles Report post #4 Posted February 11, 2020 While I'm inclined to think the same, pre-dreadnoughts (or any ships from the 1890-1910 range) would likely need a whole multi-tiered sub-branch tech tree to make them viable and profitable for WG to justify adding them to the game. Considering a T2 premium ship sells for less than $10 apiece, there would need to be a re-shuffling at the lower tiers to be able to sell them at viable multi-tiered prices. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
209 [TFLT] Viper069 [TFLT] Beta Testers, In AlfaTesters 782 posts 12,847 battles Report post #5 Posted February 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said: Why? Really, why do you want more pre dreadnaughts? They will be utter crap to play, have you played Mikasa? It's a computer game, they don't have to be crap. Maybe pair them with Japanese speaking cartoon chics with hooters and the idea will take off... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4,254 [TBW] Sovereigndawg Members 10,717 posts 18,415 battles Report post #6 Posted February 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Viper069 said: cartoon chics with hooters Ever popular with Sailors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,115 Wolcott Alpha Tester 2,552 posts Report post #7 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, GODOFGOLD808 said: I was looking forward to seeing predreadnought battleships but ended up disappointed when the wargaming corporation never added it. They had no regard for people who love historical references. Please add the Potemkin and other predreadnoughts to the premium shop, stop withholding the model and add it already. There hasn't been a new low tier premium ship since 2018. Wargrinding is only interested in WW2/postwar content. They're still salty about Tsushima anyway. 59 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said: Really, why do you want more pre dreadnaughts? They will be utter crap to play, have you played Mikasa? Mikasa wouldn't be utter crap if Wargrinding had not neglected her in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,527 [RKLES] Admiral_Thrawn_1 Members 12,592 posts 14,320 battles Report post #8 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Kapitan_Wuff said: Why? Really, why do you want more pre dreadnaughts? They will be utter crap to play, have you played Mikasa? Which is why WG needs to simply create a World of Pre Dreadnoughts game as there are many ships and possibilities that can be done with such a concept. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8,437 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Supertester 27,441 posts 14,816 battles Report post #9 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Kapitan_Wuff said: Why? Really, why do you want more pre dreadnaughts? They will be utter crap to play, have you played Mikasa? I would like to see four sub tiers that have no connection to the regular tiers for the pre-Dreadnought era, roughly the late 1880's through roughly 1905. I think it would be quite popular. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,550 [SYN] Kapitan_Wuff Members 8,256 posts 14,111 battles Report post #10 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Viper069 said: It's a computer game, they don't have to be crap. Maybe pair them with Japanese speaking cartoon chics with hooters and the idea will take off... No, they do have to be crap because balance. They can only exist at t2 due to the structure of this game and would have to be balanced with Mikasa and the other t2. They simply don't exist in this game. 57 minutes ago, Wolcott said: There hasn't been a new low tier premium ship since 2018. Wargrinding is only interested in WW2/postwar content. They're still salty about Tsushima anyway. Mikasa wouldn't be utter crap if Wargrinding had not neglected her in the first place. How has Mikasa been neglected? 36 minutes ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said: Which is why WG needs to simply create a World of Pre Dreadnoughts game as there are many ships and possibilities that can be done with such a concept. 2 Advanced issues found ▲ 1 4 minutes ago, BrushWolf said: I would like to see four sub tiers that have no connection to the regular tiers for the pre-Dreadnought era, roughly the late 1880's through roughly 1905. I think it would be quite popular. sub tiers don't seem viable imo, and I doubt there is enough demand for pre dreadnoughts for a whole game. But I could see pre-dreadnoughts maybe being viable for an in-game event along the lines of space boats and such. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8,437 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Supertester 27,441 posts 14,816 battles Report post #11 Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kapitan_Wuff said: sub tiers don't seem viable imo, and I doubt there is enough demand for pre dreadnoughts for a whole game. But I could see pre-dreadnoughts maybe being viable for an in-game event along the lines of space boats and such. The reason for sub tiers is there were only a few pre-Dreadnoughts that could stand in the line with Dreadnoughts and they were all German. I think there are enough of us that would be interested that it could fly. A pre-Dreadnought event would be awesome but it would require a lot of work where the other events, space, apocalypse, etc have simply used re-skinned ships that are already in the game some times with minor tweaking to weapons. Edited February 11, 2020 by BrushWolf Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
69 Ortheki Members 104 posts 7,345 battles Report post #12 Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Ace_04 said: While I'm inclined to think the same, pre-dreadnoughts (or any ships from the 1890-1910 range) would likely need a whole multi-tiered sub-branch tech tree to make them viable and profitable for WG to justify adding them to the game. Considering a T2 premium ship sells for less than $10 apiece, there would need to be a re-shuffling at the lower tiers to be able to sell them at viable multi-tiered prices. They might sell for less, but the lower price is more affordable to the general customer and more likely to get a sale than an overpriced T8 monster. The problem is that WG has completely fumbled on supporting low tiers. Speaking of which, can someone testify to the authenticy of this picture? Because if this is indeed official, that means they already have a Borodino model lying around that they are not using. 2 hours ago, Wolcott said: There hasn't been a new low tier premium ship since 2018. Wargrinding is only interested in WW2/postwar content. They're still salty about Tsushima anyway. Mikasa wouldn't be utter crap if Wargrinding had not neglected her in the first place. The Potemkin wasn't at Tsushima though AFAIK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,115 Wolcott Alpha Tester 2,552 posts Report post #13 Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Kapitan_Wuff said: How has Mikasa been neglected? 27 minutes ago, Ortheki said: The Potemkin wasn't at Tsushima though AFAIK. Still, the ship is from the tsarist era, something Wargrinding either hates or prefers to forget. As for Borodino, you can forget about it, for they've replaced it with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,657 [-K-] Ace_04 Members 8,491 posts 14,883 battles Report post #14 Posted February 12, 2020 15 hours ago, Ortheki said: They might sell for less, but the lower price is more affordable to the general customer and more likely to get a sale than an overpriced T8 monster. You have to realize the hours that go just into modelling these ships. A T2 battleship likely will take a similar amount of time to model as a T8 battleship, and that doesn't even include testing or balancing. So of course there is more merit to pushing higher tier premiums (whether we like it or not), as they have better return on investment for WG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
69 Ortheki Members 104 posts 7,345 battles Report post #15 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Wolcott said: Still, the ship is from the tsarist era, something Wargrinding either hates or prefers to forget. As for Borodino, you can forget about it, for they've replaced it with this. Yes I am aware of that ship. Still doesn't account for the Borodino from the other picture. 36 minutes ago, Ace_04 said: You have to realize the hours that go just into modelling these ships. A T2 battleship likely will take a similar amount of time to model as a T8 battleship, and that doesn't even include testing or balancing. So of course there is more merit to pushing higher tier premiums (whether we like it or not), as they have better return on investment for WG. Like I said before, cheaper ships tend to sell more, so a higher tier ship is not necessarily a better investment. It's just banking on whales. This would not be a problem if the devs actually built up lower tiers instead of neglecting them. Plus, that's not entirely true. Larger ships take longer to model than smaller ones simply because they have more details. Edited February 12, 2020 by Ortheki 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5 GODOFGOLD808 Members 2 posts Report post #16 Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 12:21 PM, Kapitan_Wuff said: Why? Really, why do you want more pre dreadnaughts? They will be utter crap to play, have you played Mikasa? They have historical value and if they are fixed for gameplay, they might still serve a purpose, plus, I tried the Mikasa and I got more victories than defeats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3 WangTrain Members 14 posts 742 battles Report post #17 Posted February 22, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 9:21 AM, Kapitan_Wuff said: Why? Really, why do you want more pre dreadnaughts? They will be utter crap to play, have you played Mikasa? Sounds you only think people who play this game are tier 8-10s. a lil tier 2-3 for the new players might not be bad. Especially to bring new blood into the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,550 [SYN] Kapitan_Wuff Members 8,256 posts 14,111 battles Report post #18 Posted February 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, WangTrain said: Sounds you only think people who play this game are tier 8-10s. a lil tier 2-3 for the new players might not be bad. Especially to bring new blood into the game. My most played tiers are 6 and 7. I much prefer mid-tier games. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
