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The anti-aircraft cruiser USS Atlanta (i) (CL 51) of the US Navy. She was lost on 13 Nov 1942.

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Type Anti-aircraft cruiser
Displacement 8340 BRT 
Length 541 feet 
Complement 673 men 
Armament 16 5"/38 DP guns (8x2).
12 1.1" AA (3x4).
6 20 mm AA.
8 21 inch torpedo tubes (2x4). 
Max speed 32.5 knots
Engines Geared turbines, 2 shafts 
Power 75000 SHP 
Notes on class Intended to replace the aging Omaha-class light cruisers. 

Anti-aircraft cruisers

Oakland class

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The anti-aircraft cruiser USS Oakland (CL 95) of the US Navy.

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Type Anti-aircraft cruiser
Displacement 8000 BRT 
Length 541 feet 
Complement 700 men 
Armament 12 5"/38 DP guns (6x2).
16 40mm AA (8x2).
16 20 mm AA.
8 21 inch torpedo tubes (2x4).

 

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Already in game at T7.  Flint is Oakland class.  The only Atlanta class variant we don't have in game is Juneau class, which is just a worse Flint (worse turret layout, no torps), which could be argued to fit at T7 or T6 depending on ROF and/or consumables.

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14 minutes ago, thegamefilmguruman said:

Already in game at T7.  Flint is Oakland class.  The only Atlanta class variant we don't have in game is Juneau class, which is just a worse Flint (worse turret layout, no torps), which could be argued to fit at T7 or T6 depending on ROF and/or consumables.

then explain how the flint is so easy to kill with a cv with 32 aa guns?

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4 minutes ago, MEANN said:

then explain how the flint is so easy to kill with a cv with 32 aa guns?

Explain to me how your question is remotely relevant to my response?  Pointing out that Flint's AA isn't what it should be due to balancing has nothing to do with its class somehow being T9 material.

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2 minutes ago, thegamefilmguruman said:

Explain to me how your question is remotely relevant to my response?

I was unaware that the flint was the same class. i was looking at the class as a better Atlanta due to the better aa with more guns. I was not linking the question to your comment. more to that fact that you knew more about the boat than i did. 

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49 minutes ago, MEANN said:

I was unaware that the flint was the same class. i was looking at the class as a better Atlanta due to the better aa with more guns. I was not linking the question to your comment. more to that fact that you knew more about the boat than i did. 

Ah, my bad.  The weird thing about Oakland class is it has less DP guns, but more mid range bofors instead of the chicago pianos Atlanta has.  So it actually has worse long range than Atlanta, but better mid and close.  Same deal with Juneau class which has an obscene number of  40mm bofors (32!) and the same number of DP as Oakland class, just in Worchester arrangement and no torps.

Juneau (T6 WG pls-just give no smoke/radar.)
 

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4 minutes ago, MEANN said:

I was unaware that the flint was the same class. i was looking at the class as a better Atlanta due to the better aa with more guns. I was not linking the question to your comment. more to that fact that you knew more about the boat than i did. 

Number of aa guns does not dictate their power. Neither does amount of main battery guns, otherwise HMS Victory is the most powerful ship in the world right now. 

32 aa guns vs 28 or whatever it is means nothing without looking at caliber and rof, etc... 

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10 minutes ago, MEANN said:

then explain how the flint is so easy to kill with a cv with 32 aa guns?

Because in-game AA defense is broken and in no way relatable to historical capabilities.

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1 hour ago, thegamefilmguruman said:

Explain to me how your question is remotely relevant to my response?  Pointing out that Flint's AA isn't what it should be due to balancing has nothing to do with its class somehow being T9 material.

A CV touched him in a bad way thats why he makes every thread eventually about them

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Believing Oakland to be T9 material says enough about the OP, really.

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3 minutes ago, Lert said:

Believing Oakland to be T9 material says enough about the OP, really.

being that it is better than the Atlanta. Why would I not think that the boat could live at t9? you are on the Mean derangement syndrome. There are a few of you out there. no matter what i post you attack me as you seem unable to conjure a thought in your head that would bring value to the conversation. all you can think to do is attack me. 

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1 hour ago, thegamefilmguruman said:

 The weird thing about Oakland class is it has less DP guns, but more mid range bofors instead of the chicago pianos Atlanta has.  So it actually has worse long range than Atlanta, but better mid and close.  Same deal with Juneau class which has an obscene number of  40mm bofors (32!) and the same number of DP as Oakland class, just in Worchester arrangement and no torps.

Oakland and Juneau classes were created to correct an issue with the original Atlantas.

As more intermediate ranged AA were added to the hulls, the Atlantas became top heavy.

The first redesign, the Oakland class, removed the wing 5in DP guns.

The final redesign, the Juneaus, lowered the turrets, so the second and fifth turret were flush with the main deck just like the first and sixth.

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1 minute ago, MEANN said:

being that it is better than the Atlanta. Why would I not think that the boat could live at t9?

Because improved AA at the cost of anti surface capability does in no way excuse any tier jump, let alone a two tier one? Especially since the survivability doesn't change between the two.

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you are on the Mean derangement syndrome. There are a few of you out there. no matter what i post you attack me as you seem unable to conjure a thought in your head that would bring value to the conversation. all you can think to do is attack me. 

Wouldn't be so amusing to do if you didn't make it so easy with your threads.

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4 minutes ago, Lert said:

Because improved AA at the cost of anti surface capability does in no way excuse any tier jump, let alone a two tier one? Especially since the survivability doesn't change between the two.

they could increase the reload speed or the torp range as well as make detection lower to make the boat more stealthy. the mino is not really any better in regards to armor. 

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they could increase the reload speed or the torp range as well as make detection lower to make the boat more stealthy. the mino is not really any better in regards to armor. 

They could, but they'd have to do a lot of that - to the realm of sci fi fantasy - to make a two tier jump workable. Especially with the floatiness of 127/38 shells. As for stealthiness, a single uptier to T8 would already open up the upgrade slot for concealment mod.

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besides, there is already a US Minotaur at TX

 

It's called Worchester.

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15 minutes ago, Lord_Slayer said:

Oakland and Juneau classes were created to correct an issue with the original Atlantas.

As more intermediate ranged AA were added to the hulls, the Atlantas became top heavy.

The first redesign, the Oakland class, removed the wing 5in DP guns.

The final redesign, the Juneaus, lowered the turrets, so the second and fifth turret were flush with the main deck just like the first and sixth.

Makes sense, really.  I think the Juneau class would either work at T7 with a heal and ROF buff or T6 with Altanta's current reload (and maybe a reload buff).  

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1 minute ago, thegamefilmguruman said:

Makes sense, really.  I think the Juneau class would either work at T7 with a heal and ROF buff or T6 with Altanta's current reload (and maybe a reload buff).  

The current version of the Atlanta carries her early-war AA layout with the 1.1s.

Flint has the late war AA layout. She only had Dual 40mm mounts, never the Quad due to their weight.

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1 hour ago, MEANN said:

I was unaware that the flint was the same class. i was looking at the class as a better Atlanta due to the better aa with more guns. I was not linking the question to your comment. more to that fact that you knew more about the boat than i did. 

An improved Atlanta is exactly what the Oakland class was but it was a sub-class where the Juneau was a new class.

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3 hours ago, thegamefilmguruman said:

Explain to me how your question is remotely relevant to my response?  Pointing out that Flint's AA isn't what it should be due to balancing has nothing to do with its class somehow being T9 material.

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whatever we do, we need more ships and less maps and game modes, less ranked seasons, less clan battles... and more ships.

Corvettes, frigates, light CV's, Destroyer Escorts, Attack Transport ships, Blimps, PT boats. More Myoko's  A SW dragon, a, NNW Dragon and  a cat for a captain...

 

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3 hours ago, MEANN said:

being that it is better than the Atlanta. Why would I not think that the boat could live at t9? you are on the Mean derangement syndrome. There are a few of you out there. no matter what i post you attack me as you seem unable to conjure a thought in your head that would bring value to the conversation. all you can think to do is attack me. 

When you manage to think a "thought in your head" that would make for valuable conversation, then maybe your social fortunes will improve.

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3 hours ago, Lert said:

They could, but they'd have to do a lot of that - to the realm of sci fi fantasy

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Only possible if Russia, comrade Kittensgrowl.

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15 minutes ago, Battlecruiser_Repulse said:

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Only possible if Russia, comrade Kittensgrowl.

Still more grounded than a T9 viable Oakland would be.

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4 hours ago, Lert said:

They could, but they'd have to do a lot of that - to the realm of sci fi fantasy - to make a two tier jump workable. Especially with the floatiness of 127/38 shells. As for stealthiness, a single uptier to T8 would already open up the upgrade slot for concealment mod.

Ehhhh. IDK. I think you could get Juneau/Oakland to be T9. The big thing is that their guns are way, way nerfed. 20rpm is completely justifiable on them, and even up to 25 given some of the fire rates recorded. That would give comparable to better weight of fire than Smolensk, downside of course being the awful 5"/38 shell arcs. Smoke or good radar with USN CL style slots would get you pretty close to a T9 ship. Probably would need to use the extra tonnage to increase HP, maybe decrease the detection slightly(though they are actually already quite stealthy).

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